If Detroit loses to the Cavs that will probably signify the end of their dominance of the Eastern Conference as their pieces continue to get older and Lebron and the Cavs get better. This could possibly entice free agent PG Chauncey Billups to leave the Pistons. With a hyped new coach, a dominating big man, cap space, and all the benefits of living in Florida he could maybe find Orlando an attractive place to land. With a guy like Chauncey running the point the Magic could contend right away. I doubt this would ever happen, but since someone posted something about us trading scrubs for Kobe, I figure this is more realistic and would give us something to discuss. All I know is that this pipe dream is more likely to happen if the Cavs hold on and win the series. (no matter how unlikely the pipe dream is)
Chauncey Billups is a good point guard. He isn't SO much better than Jameer Nelson, though, that I'd break the bank for him... it's important to remember, Billups will be 30 by the time he hits the market. Barring a Steve Nash style reincarnation (which happens, well, never, unless you're Steve Nash), his best years may be in the rear view. It's gonna be happy times for Orlando fans, though. The Pistons are getting old and growing fat and tired on the wine and ambrosia fed to them by the shiftless, evil purveyor of false hope and shattered dreams, Flip Saunders. The Cavs aren't fit for prime time, either. LeBron is just good enough that he on his own has caught the Pistons slouching around. If Cleveland can actually get some other playmakers, it'll be a three team race (Chicago, Cleveland, Orlando) for the next several years.
<div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Chauncey Billups is a good point guard. He isn't SO much better than Jameer Nelson, though, that I'd break the bank for him... it's important to remember, Billups will be 30 by the time he hits the market. Barring a Steve Nash style reincarnation (which happens, well, never, unless you're Steve Nash), his best years may be in the rear view. It's gonna be happy times for Orlando fans, though. The Pistons are getting old and growing fat and tired on the wine and ambrosia fed to them by the shiftless, evil purveyor of false hope and shattered dreams, Flip Saunders. The Cavs aren't fit for prime time, either. LeBron is just good enough that he on his own has caught the Pistons slouching around. If Cleveland can actually get some other playmakers, it'll be a three team race (Chicago, Cleveland, Orlando) for the next several years.</div> You don't think he's much better than Jameer? -He's bigger than Jameer(we are looking for a big PG) -He plays aggressive defense against other PGs -He is more of a pass 1st PG then Jameer and runs the offense way better than Jameer does. -Even being more of a pass 1st PG then Jameer he is also a better scorer -Not to mention how clutch he is. -He knows how it is to win and would bring that arrogant swagger to Orlando. Truthfully I don't see anything that Jameer does better than Billups. I agree I wouldn't want to break the bank and give him max for 5 years or anything, but I don't think anyone will. I'd give him 30-35 mil for 3 years though. Just the leadership that he would bring to the team and his ability to put the ball in other players hands in better spots(like Dwight/Darko) would be worth that money. Honestly I see him being able to make us into a contender because a) he would feed the ball to Dwight/Darko, He's not scared to take the final shot and he seems to make it a high percentage of the time and c) He can play defense out of the PG spot. We haven't had that since, Scott Skiles. Jameer hasn't proven he can do a or c, he isn't scared to take the final shot, but he hurts us at the end of games, IMO. Honestly with a PG like Billups that would take a LOT of pressure off of Billy Donovan. Oh and certainly don't sleep on Toronto as a contender. Bosh/Bargiani with TJ Ford running the point is a pretty damn start. They aren't going to go away any time soon.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The reason to root for the Cavs: so we don't have another Spurs/Pistons boring-off.</div> That was a given for a reason to root for the Cavs, which is why the title of this thread is "Another Reason to Root for the Cavs" btw, how have you been man, haven't seen you around here for awhile. Is everything going good?
I agree that he'd be an improvement, just not sure much of an improvement that I'd sell the farm for him, especially as he enters his 30s. I don't know what price tag he'll be commanding, but I suspect it'll be hefty, and the money might be better spent elsewhere. God knows, though, I don't watch as many Magic games as any of you, so consider my opinion more intrigued speculation than informed decree.
<div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that he'd be an improvement, just not sure much of an improvement that I'd sell the farm for him, especially as he enters his 30s. I don't know what price tag he'll be commanding, but I suspect it'll be hefty, and the money might be better spent elsewhere. God knows, though, I don't watch as many Magic games as any of you, so consider my opinion more intrigued speculation than informed decree.</div> I think the improvement that we make upgrading Jameer for Billups would be pretty big. I think with Jameer we maybe get out of the first round. With Billups I am buying my ECF tickets already for next year and we could legitimately represent the East in the Finals. A true PG is all this team really needs, IMO. Hell for all the JJ fans, it might allow him to start. Billups, JJ, Ariza, Darko, Dwight is very good defensively. I think PG is our biggest need position right now, but we need someone who can score and is good in big game situations(which typically are wings, which is why we are so gungho about getting a wing). We can get it all with 1 player: Chauncey Billups.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That was a given for a reason to root for the Cavs, which is why the title of this thread is "Another Reason to Root for the Cavs" btw, how have you been man, haven't seen you around here for awhile. Is everything going good?</div> Things are going well. Thanks for asking sir. I just haven't been around because the Magic drive me insane.
Hey Chuck, bizarre coincidence. I was at Best Buy the other day and saw an album with your avatar graphic on it. I said, "Oh ****, I've seen that face before, it's Chuck's avatar." I always wondered where that creepy face came from. LOL. Nice to see you posting again. Glad to hear everything is going well. Montaman, I really don't think it's close between Jameer and Billups. I know Billups is 30, but Nelson hasn't accomplished anything thus far. The Magic didn't even feel he was worth extending. I do like Jameer, but I'm not sure how he'll mesh with Donovan's style. At Florida, Donovan relied on athletic wing players to handle the ball and run the offense. He's going to want his guard to pound the ball inside to Howard and Darko, which Jameer hasn't shown he can do. Another reason to root for the Cavs, they'll be swept in 4 games by the Spurs and the offseason can get going right away.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I do like Jameer, but I'm not sure how he'll mesh with Donovan's style. At Florida, Donovan relied on athletic wing players to handle the ball and run the offense. He's going to want his guard to pound the ball inside to Howard and Darko, which Jameer hasn't shown he can do.</div> That's where you are wrong. It was the Taureen Green show handling the ball. There was a reason why he got the most minutes in each of the last 2 years for the Gators and it was Billy not trusting anyone else to be able to handle the ball. When he was out it was Humphrey/Hodge handling it. Not to mention Roberson, Dupay, Brett Nelson all dominated the ball when they were running the point. Green was the first guy to really be unselfish at the PG spot for Billy in the last 6-7 years and honestly no one really handled the ball because of the passing that each of the players did.
[quote name='Chuck;822305']The reason to root for the Cavs: so we don't have another Spurs/Pistons boring-off.[/QUOTE] Thank you man i thought i was the only person who thought that! Billups and Howard could be deadly seems like a dream but in Basketball anything could happen i do hope the Detroit Pistons start to separate started with Ben Wallace ends with sheed Wallace!
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's where you are wrong. It was the Taureen Green show handling the ball. There was a reason why he got the most minutes in each of the last 2 years for the Gators and it was Billy not trusting anyone else to be able to handle the ball. When he was out it was Humphrey/Hodge handling it. Not to mention Roberson, Dupay, Brett Nelson all dominated the ball when they were running the point. Green was the first guy to really be unselfish at the PG spot for Billy in the last 6-7 years and honestly no one really handled the ball because of the passing that each of the players did.</div> Didn't Corey Brewer handle the ball a lot for the Gators in the tournament? Granted, you know a lot more about their team than I do, but I remember Brewer breaking down UCLA's zone a lot in their matchup. Also Noah would rebound and sometimes dribble the ball up to initiate the break. Florida swung the ball on the perimeter and then worked their offense inside-out. Come to think of it, I wonder how Donovan adjusts to the 24 second clock.
<div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, you're probably right about Billups, in retrospect. How's Travis Diener doing, by the way?</div> Travis is doing well but he's just buried under so many other point guards on the bench. Jameer Nelson, Carlos Arroyo, and Keyon Dooling all get minutes before he does. He wouldn't even enter most games last season. If I were our coach, I would have played Diener over Arroyo (in fact, I even had a whole thread about that) and put Dooling alongside him at shooting guard whenever he was in the game. That would have given us a backcourt of: PG: Jameer Nelson | Travis Diener SG: Grant Hill | Keyon Dooling I really like Travis' game and I think him and Redick could have been used much more effectively last year. While they're both defensive liabilities to an extent, they could have been used alongside a good defender/slasher such as Ariza or Dooling and they would have helped spread the floor with their great range. Diener gives 110% whenever he's in the game and the offense flows much better when he's in the game than when Arroyo is in there dribbling 20 seconds off of the shot clock. We could be getting blown out by 25 points and Diener would still get frustrated if something doesn't go right on the court. He has a lot of passion and heart and I like guys like that. As of right now, he's an unrestricted free agent. I doubt he comes back to Orlando because he has said he wants a chance to play and that just isn't happening for him here. I remember in an article in the Sentinel, he was saying he just hopes to playing somewhere next season and he hopes someone gives him a chance. I think he'll get signed pretty quickly because there was a lot of interest in him around the trade deadline and he still has a lot of potential. I just hope he goes to a team where he can be successful because he is a great guy.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Didn't Corey Brewer handle the ball a lot for the Gators in the tournament? Granted, you know a lot more about their team than I do, but I remember Brewer breaking down UCLA's zone a lot in their matchup. Also Noah would rebound and sometimes dribble the ball up to initiate the break. Florida swung the ball on the perimeter and then worked their offense inside-out. Come to think of it, I wonder how Donovan adjusts to the 24 second clock.</div> Brewer's biggest weakness is his handle. He had the nickname the "Drunken Dribbler" because of his inconsistency handling the ball. Honestly I don't think he was that bad of a dribbler, but he would screw up dribbling because he would go faster than he could dribble the ball. He would outrun the ball on his turnovers. You might be thinking he handled the ball a lot because with his size advantage over pretty much anyone that was guarding him he was the guy who always made the entry pass to Horford/Noah, so he was in the play. Good point on the 24 sec shot clock. He couldn't be any worse than Brian Hill was which included dribbling 10-15 secs off before the first pass and only 2-3 passes.
Yes! I think this was Detroit's last chance, they had their time. But Chancey coming to the Magic would definitely be metal.
The best part of the game was in the 4th Qtr they show Gibson hitting a 3 in front of the piston bench... The look on their faces was priceless.... Oh god how i hate the pistons... I agree they are done...
Would we want Billups for 3 years though? We have a lot of young guys developing but Chauncey is already developed and is a 9 year vet. I think it would be better to rebuild through the draft and then once the puzzle looks more complete, sign guys like Billups to fill gaps. But I think we're far from there at this point.
