Report: Pacers And Lakers Lay Groundwork For Jermaine Trade

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    Oh and Question...

    IF we offer Lamar + Bynum + Resigned Mckie for JO and Granger

    Will they accept?

    Lamar > Granger :: in the future it might be Lamar < Granger
    Bynum << JO :: in the future it might be Bynum >>> JO
     
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    no way they give up granger
     
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    I think trading away Lamar leaves us very vulnerable, and it's even worse if Bynum goes in the same package. Sure, Kobe and JO would be great, but the other positions would be really weak... So we'd have to trade for or sign some good players to make the team competitive.
     
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    How about Odom + Bynum for JO and Diogu? I still think Diogu could end up being a poor man's version of Elton Brand.
     
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    I don't want to have to give up Odom immediately. Bynum I'm fine with letting go if we can get JO. But, if we can work out a deal that gets us JO without giving up Odom, that'd be great. Plus, you have to wonder if the Pacers even want him. If they're willing to trade away the cornerstone of that franchise, it makes me think they're looking simply to just rebuild for the future and not necessarily worry about making the playoffs. If that's the case, leaving Odom out would be the best thing they can do, simply because he'd eat up a lot of cap space for the next few years.
     
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    JO doesnt have any of his buddies in Indiana anymore. There's no way he's gonna mesh with their current team. He'd rather go back to Isiah Thomas or some place else. The Pacers have no other option other than letting the thug go. The problem for the Lakers is there's no way Larry Bird is gonna help the Lakers improve..Unless Magic can help work out a deal.
     
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    Never say never. Why does Bird care if the Lakers improve? They're out West, he's East. Him trading him to the Lakers is a whole lot more plausible than anywhere out East, because his most direct competition isn't getting helped. Plus, from my understanding, the two most likely destinations for JO were the Lakers and Knicks. Last I knew, Bird still pretty much despised Isiah for canning him a few years back, so the thought of him going there and helping an Eastern Conference team becomes even less likely because of that situation. Plus, the Lakers have a lot of pieces they can trade for them. Bynum has all sorts of potential, Kwame has an expiring contract good for about $9 mil, and they can get them another pick in an extremely deep draft. Not too shabby if you ask me.
     
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    If the Lakers get an All - star Big like KG or JO... IMO we only need to sign Mo Williams and another SG/SF and were all set... seriously... all we need is 3 moves

    1. Get KG or JO for Bynum and Odom
    2. Sign Mo Williams "The Sugar (not the iceing) on the cake"
    3. Sign a SG/SF

    Mo Williams/Farmar/Vujacic
    Kobe/Evans
    Luke/ Signed Player/Cook
    JO or KG/Vlad/Cook
    Kwame/Mihm/Turiaf

    Thats a deep lineup... seriously
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't want to have to give up Odom immediately. Bynum I'm fine with letting go if we can get JO. But, if we can work out a deal that gets us JO without giving up Odom, that'd be great. Plus, you have to wonder if the Pacers even want him. If they're willing to trade away the cornerstone of that franchise, it makes me think they're looking simply to just rebuild for the future and not necessarily worry about making the playoffs. If that's the case, leaving Odom out would be the best thing they can do, simply because he'd eat up a lot of cap space for the next few years.</div>

    My thoughts exactly... A trio of Kobe, Odom and JO would be extraordianry coz they would compliment each other... Scoring, Defence and Hustle...

    OMG!!! This trade worked out at the Tradechecker!!!
    JO for Vlad Kwame and Bynum

    Then if we sign Mo Williams then as i said, were all set!!!
    Mo Williams/Farmar/Vujacic
    Kobe/Evans
    Odom/Walton/Signed Player
    JO/Cook
    Mihm/Turiaf
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
    OMG!!! This trade worked out at the Tradechecker!!!
    JO for Vlad Kwame and Bynum
    </div>

    OMG! Dunleavy, Murphy and Tinsley for Kobe worked too. LOL.
     
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    We went from...

    Bynum + Odom for Garnett

    To just...

    Bynum + Odom for Jermaine

    Do the Lakers have any chance of landing Jermaine without giving up both Bynum and Lamar? Going from Garnett to Jermaine seems like a downgrade.

    I like Jermaine O'Neal and everything, but I don't think he alone will put us on the top. I love his defense, but he's not a legit post-up player, I can't stand how 80% of the time he loves settling for those 15-18 foot fade-away jumpers, hence he has a low FG% for a PF/C his size.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">OMG! Dunleavy, Murphy and Tinsley for Kobe worked too. LOL.</div>[​IMG]
     
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    The Lakers do have the ability to get JO without giving up both. However, it all depends on the direction the Pacers want to go. If they want to go to complete rebuild mode, a package of Kwame, Bynum, and the 19th pick would likely do it. If they still want to contend, we may very well have to put Odom in. So to me, how we get him all depends on where the Pacers want to go.
     
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    If we keep Odom, that gives us no incentive to go after Artest. If Artest is successful, he's much better than Odom because of one thing...defense.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If we keep Odom, that gives us no incentive to go after Artest. If Artest is successful, he's much better than Odom because of one thing...defense.</div>

    Why wouldn't there be incentive to get Artest if we still had Odom? The proposed deal is Luke & our #1 for Artest.

    Having Odom, Artest, JO, and Kobe gives the Lakers a lot of flexibility in the lineup, and is insurance incase one of the big 4 get injured.

    PG - Farmar (for now)
    SG - Kobe
    SF - Artest
    PF - Odom
    C - JO
     
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    There isn't enough ball with that lineup. We've been through this before as a team (see 2004) two starts (Kobe, Jermaine) and two other very talented players (Artest, Odom). I'd rather do a Odom, Bynum, Kwame,and 19 for O'neal, Harrison, and Marquis. Then turn around and offer Cook and Walton for Artest. If we can find a way to keep Kwame, I'd then offer him for Camby so Denver can get their expiring contracts.

    Farmar
    Kobe
    Artest
    Jermaine
    Camby

    Maybe we're not even looking at Artest. Maybe we're looking at Camby and O'neal?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">OMG! Dunleavy, Murphy and Tinsley for Kobe worked too. LOL.</div>

    Best counter response ever![​IMG]
     
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    If the Nuggets are willing to trade Camby for Kwame Brown, then send out Lamar and Bynum for JO. Luke Walton would, just as always, start at SF, Kobe at SG, and possibly an MLE PG or Farmar at PG. That is still a wicked lineup.
     
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