3 years of nothing. That's what it's been with the duo of Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom. 3 years of frustration, heart break, failure. We've watched Kobe Bryant grow into the greatest player to pick up a basketball since Jordan put in the last shot in the Finals for Chicago. And still, even with the greatest player of this generation, we've still got 3 years of nothing. One miss playoffs, two bounced out in the first round. Again, 3 years of nothing. Bynum? Yeah, he's got potential...but compare him to someone like Oden, Dwight, Bosh, Millsap, Boozer, etc. he's a role player. As long as Donnie Walsh is in love with Bynum, what's wrong in trading away for a proven all-star that can change the way offenses attack us. I've got more confidence in Jordan Farmar being our future than Bynum, and Farmar is easily replaceable. Tell me why you oppose trading away Odom and our "future", when we've witnessed 3 years of nothing. Change will do us good. It'll re-create a fire in Kobe Bryant...this man is passionate about the game already...imagine him with a proven all-star...imagine how much more passionate he'll be, imagine how big the fire will burn in him, now. Just imagine...
Only reason why I would feel bad if Odom is traded, is basically of what he's been through before this season started. Other than that, whatevers best for the team. As for Bynum, something about the kid makes me think he'll be special one day, but nothings a guarantee. Like I said w/ Odom, w/e is best for the team right now and in the future.
Another question. For everyone calling Jermaine injury-prone? If Jermaine is prone to injuries...what is Odom? Two torn labrums, a messed up knee and a bad ankle sprain. This past season, Jermaine played in 69 games compared to Odom's 56.
Same here mate. I love LO's character, personality, and all. He is a classic guy, funny, a good teammate, etc...butttttt I said this before and always sticked my claim, "LO is not a championship player". He is not exactly the championship piece that you are trying to build.
I wanna trade both of them, but only for better players. That's a hard thing to do, and in basketball, there are no guarantees.
Jermaine O'Neal has never shot over 50% from the field. Last year he shot only 43.6%. Not a very encouraging statistic from your big man. His shot selection was terrible last year. Jump shot 69% on 63% assisted. His eFG% was only 37.2% when he took jumpers. These stats tell me Jermaine O'Neal was either lazy or impatient when he got his touches. However, when you look at the shot clock usage, he was fairly balanced, so you have to rule out impatience. It comes down to being lazy on offense. It's a lot more work to drive in and post up than it is to catch and shoot mid and close range jumpers. Last year wasn't uncharacteristic either. Here's the %'s of Jumpshots versus Inside Shots for the past few seasons. <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>02-03 Jump 68% | Inside 32%<br/>03-04 Jump 73% | Inside 27%<br/>04-05 Jump 71% | Inside 29%<br/>05-06 Jump 67% | Inside 33%<br/>06-07 Jump 69% | Inside 31%<br/></div> Stats are from 82games.com Jermaine is only shooting on the inside 1 out of every 3 times he takes a shot. It should be the reverse for him if he's going to be our inside presence. His major impact is going to be on the defensive end, but it's hard to justify his salary and adding him makes it impossible to acquire any other free agents. Let's also keep in mind the Lakers were hit hard by the injury bug this year. If they could have stayed healthy and finished with a better seeding, don't you think this team could have advanced to round 2? Walton, Kwame, and Odom were all playing with injuries in the playoffs. Andrew Bynum was forced to play a lot more minutes than the coaching staff wanted because of all the injuries, and he hit the proverbial rookie wall. He had nothing left and his confidence went down the toilet. What I'm getting at is this. Does adding Jermaine O'neal really get you any further in the playoffs, had last year's Laker squad been healthy? I'd say both would have the potential to get into Round 2 at best. Based on that assumption, why would you want to trade away Odom and your potential future (Bynum), when at best you're only going to be in the same position you could have been last year?
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Last year wasn't uncharacteristic either. Here's the %'s of Jumpshots versus Inside Shots for the past few seasons. <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>02-03 Jump 68% | Inside 32%<br/>03-04 Jump 73% | Inside 27%<br/>04-05 Jump 71% | Inside 29%<br/>05-06 Jump 67% | Inside 33%<br/>06-07 Jump 69% | Inside 31%<br/></div> Stats are from 82games.com Jermaine is only shooting on the inside 1 out of every 3 times he takes a shot. It should be the reverse for him if he's going to be our inside presence.</div>Interestingly, KG seems to have a very similar ratio in Jumpshots to Inside to Jermaine, although usually Jermaine actually takes a bit more inside. <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>02-03: Jump 77, Inside 23<br/>03-04: Jump 75, Inside 25<br/>04-05: Jump: 69, Inside 31<br/>05-06: Jump: 70, Inside 30<br/>06-07: Jump: 77, Inside 23</div> In terms of shot selection, actually compared to Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal, Odom shoots a much larger percentage of shots inside. Odom with the Lakers: <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>Odom, 06-07: Jump 55, Inside 45.<br/>Odom, 05-06: Jump 51, Inside 49<br/>Odom, 04-05: Jump 52, Inside 48</div>
Yes KG has a similar poor shot selection. A lot of critics always point out that KG should be doing more damage on the inside. However, the difference between KG and JO, is scoring efficiency. KG shoots with a higher percentage across the board. Yeah I should have also posted Odom's stats to show the comparison. Odom is a very balanced scorer in terms of where he shoots. Odom's inconsistency and disappearing acts throughout the course of a game just kill his value.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes KG has a similar poor shot selection. A lot of critics always point out that KG should be doing more damage on the inside. However, the difference between KG and JO, is scoring efficiency. KG shoots with a higher percentage across the board. Yeah I should have also posted Odom's stats to show the comparison. Odom is a very balanced scorer in terms of where he shoots. Odom's inconsistency and disappearing acts throughout the course of a game just kill his value.</div>Yea, I agree with that. I was kind of shocked when you showed how JO's shot selection was like 70% jumpers and 30% inside, and then I wondered what KG's shot selection was like too and it was pretty similar. Last year only 23% shots inside.
You also have to remember KG is older, and has bad knees, when compared to JO.... Honestly, I would trade Bynum away for the right pieces. If we could somehow keep Odom, I would be glad. Somehow down the line when he becomes a free agent, if we could sign him for cheap then I would like it. However, I would happily accept a trade for him for a better piece.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jermaine O'Neal has never shot over 50% from the field. Last year he shot only 43.6%. Not a very encouraging statistic from your big man. His shot selection was terrible last year. Jump shot 69% on 63% assisted. His eFG% was only 37.2% when he took jumpers. These stats tell me Jermaine O'Neal was either lazy or impatient when he got his touches. However, when you look at the shot clock usage, he was fairly balanced, so you have to rule out impatience. It comes down to being lazy on offense. It's a lot more work to drive in and post up than it is to catch and shoot mid and close range jumpers. Last year wasn't uncharacteristic either. Here's the %'s of Jumpshots versus Inside Shots for the past few seasons. <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>02-03 Jump 68% | Inside 32%<br/>03-04 Jump 73% | Inside 27%<br/>04-05 Jump 71% | Inside 29%<br/>05-06 Jump 67% | Inside 33%<br/>06-07 Jump 69% | Inside 31%<br/></div> Stats are from 82games.com Jermaine is only shooting on the inside 1 out of every 3 times he takes a shot. It should be the reverse for him if he's going to be our inside presence. His major impact is going to be on the defensive end, but it's hard to justify his salary and adding him makes it impossible to acquire any other free agents. Let's also keep in mind the Lakers were hit hard by the injury bug this year. If they could have stayed healthy and finished with a better seeding, don't you think this team could have advanced to round 2? Walton, Kwame, and Odom were all playing with injuries in the playoffs. Andrew Bynum was forced to play a lot more minutes than the coaching staff wanted because of all the injuries, and he hit the proverbial rookie wall. He had nothing left and his confidence went down the toilet. What I'm getting at is this. Does adding Jermaine O'neal really get you any further in the playoffs, had last year's Laker squad been healthy? I'd say both would have the potential to get into Round 2 at best. Based on that assumption, why would you want to trade away Odom and your potential future (Bynum), when at best you're only going to be in the same position you could have been last year?</div> I'm completely with shape on this. I think that this deal will hurt the Lakers more than it will help them. They will be handcuffed to make any moves in the next 3-4 years and I honestly don't think JO gets them into the 2nd round in the West. I still can't see them being better than Phoenix, SA, Dallas, or the Jazz not to mention the Rockets would be a toss up(but I'd give Kobe the benefit of the doubt over Tmac).
Oh Shape, one difference is that, Kwame and Mihm always seemed to never be able to finish (or catch the ball), when Kobe was doubled and they would be left open underneath the basket. Teams couldn't leave JO or KG open (or guarding by a SG) the way that they sometimes do with Kwame or Mihm.
Well I would like for Bynum to stay but if has to be traded then let him get traded. Whatever is good for the team
Well i love Lamar Odom's character and personality his been through a lot here and i kind of feel bad for him but we haven't won anything but lose to the SUN'S two times which i hate.Well Bynum in my opinion is going to become a great center but thats going to happen in like 3 years and we can't wait that much for him since Kobe is in his prime time.
