<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">See, when people say they don't like Kobe because of his narrcsistic views, I don't understand it. MJ was the same way Kobe was in terms of confidence/attitude/competitiveness. So you can't just say Kobe's narciscm (sp) is unjustified and 'phoney'; alot of players are the same way he was. Lebron is getting there, and Wade seems quite cocky to me as well. Bu the thing people realize is that if YOU were in the positions that they were in, it would be hard to NOT be cocky. People say they'd be different in the situation, but how can you just assume that? Have you been worth millions of dollars? Do you have millions of fans? Are you the face of a league, and a franchise? Are you skilled to the point that you are a shoo-in for the hall-of-fame? Do you have people admiring you, asking for autographs, every second of every day that you are not in a private place (or sometimes, even in private places)? The thing I love about Kobe is his attitude, his comeptitveness and his confidence. You guys say you hate Kobe doing this kind of thing, but then it's the same reason you ignore people like Tim Duncan, because you find his game and his attitude "boring". Enough of the double edged sword already.</div> I have to disagree, man. It's something that's hard to put a finger on, but there's just SOMETHING ABOUT Kobe that's different from MJ. I'm not sure what. just a vibe I get. But I love his game for sure. "if YOU were in the positions that they were in, it would be hard to NOT be cocky." Plenty of people are in his position and are cocky or aren't cocky. And lots who aren't are huge narcissists. Narcissism is different from cockiness.
^^^I actually feel that there are a lot of pro athletes that are narcissistic....think about all the ones that cheat on their wives, lol
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^^I actually feel that there are a lot of pro athletes that are narcissistic....think about all the ones that cheat on their wives, lol</div> those are called opportunitists. But yeah, they shouldn't be doing that. Why get married if you're going to play like that? I don't get it. Why ANY pro athlete is married is beyond me anyway.... you're never home, you're going to meet all kinds of women... what is the RUSH?
Karma, I agree that Kobe, Wade, Jordan all seem to have a similar attitude can't single Kobe out on it. <div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The thing I love about Kobe is his attitude, his comeptitveness and his confidence. You guys say you hate Kobe doing this kind of thing, but then it's the same reason you ignore people like Tim Duncan, because you find his game and his attitude "boring". Enough of the double edged sword already.</div>Doesn't seem to apply to Phun D, Because Timmy is one of his favourite players and one of his favourite teams is the Spurs. I think I'd enjoy playing on a team with Nash or Duncan, more than Jordan, Wade or Kobe. However I think its fun to watch a very competitive player like Jordan, Wade, or Kobe play their hearts out.
Ok... so I am reading these posts and as I read it I actually see very few basketball reasons for not liking Kobe. By and large people don't like him for personal reasons. OK. Cool. But lets examine the FEW basketball reasons for not liking the man... since these are far more objective reasons than the subjective personal reasons that really don't matter to me. He lacks leadership skills: Well... Kobe himself has been asked this question time and time again and has admitted to being a learner in this department and saying he is improving more and more. One has to realize he has been a leader on the Lakers team for as long as Wade and Lebron have been leaders on their teams. No? I am willing to give Kobe a chance to prove himself in this department... he certainly hasn't failed in my book in this department yet and he gets better every year. He doesn't make his teammates better: This cannot be objectively true. Statistically every Laker has gotten better playing with Kobe Bryant then when they played without him. Statistically. And then this category is hard to judge just because the Lakers have one of the weakest supporting casts in the league, bar none, while playing in the western conference. Kobe has it tougher than a Lebron or a Wade. Simple. He is a ball hog: Complete rubbish. Check his assist stats past to present... Kobe is no ball hog. End of argument.
My brother hates him because he is a "ball hog". He doesn't really follow ball that much anymore, but most of his dislike for Kobe is based on the Laker-run days. Kobe's game has matured leaps and bounds since then and it is unfortunate that like my bro, thousands of others base thier dislike on Kobe's playing style during the Lakers championship runs. I thought he did a good job during 2000-2002; however, I will be the first one to admit that he completely blew it during the '04 Finals, when Shaq was putting up huge stats yet Kobe (and the rest of the Lakers as well) were not feeding him the ball in the post.
Kobe was a ball-hog in the 2004 Finals, he wouldn't pass the ball up at all. But his game has matured since those days, so has personality
But that's the thing, impressions are hard to change on people. Anything he does now, people see it as him "trying too hard" to change the public perception he has already gained.
I'm getting really tire of defending Kobe sometimes. I agree with a majority of posters in here. Those who aren't a Kobe's fan will hate him, and I fully understand why. If you're an outside LA's resident, you don't get to see Kobe up close. What you see is the competitive or his arrogant side of his on TV. Kobe as a person is really a funny guy. He works so hard to get where he is, and everybody try to take him down, and want to not giving him his full credit for what he did. When Kobe did some positive things, it doesn't get report from the media. But whenever Kobe did something wrong, the media try to blow it out of proportion as if Kobe is a devil releasing from hell and we need to let the world know. This is why I dislike other Kobe's haters. Also Kobe get compares to basically every superstar swingmen, why??! Most of the things ppl hate Kobe is the same reason why I love Kobe even more. I love his swagger, his cockiness, his personality, his killer. He is a warriors on the basketball court. All the things he do, whether you like it or not, is all about winning. As a basketball fan, that is something you gotta admire.
Although I agree that he isn't a ball hog (a ball hog is someone who never passes) there are still times where I think he's a tad bit too selfish and in turn he takes some bad shots throughout the game.......
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I love Kobe, he is by far my favourite player, but until he wins a chamionship again, he will still be ridiculed. By the media, by people who don't like him, etc. It's just the way it is. </div> Doubtful, because then they'll say "Oh he won because he had KG" or "He had JO" or [insert whoever]. Kobe just happens to be the player a lot of people love to hate.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Although I agree that he isn't a ball hog (a ball hog is someone who never passes) there are still times where I think he's a tad bit too selfish and in turn he takes some bad shots throughout the game.......</div> Yeah, but that happens with every star player. Talent wise? I still think it's a no brainer that Kobe is the best player in the game. LeBron and Duncan right behind him. Wade being behind these three. The only thing I hate about Kobe is what DREAM stated, sometimes...like every other superstar, he tries to do too much. He is a good leader, he just doesn't have the talent around him at two vital positions pg and C. Being a good leader and being able to win with what you've got is different. That's where LeBron has separated himself from Kobe this post season. Ah, I'll post more tomorrow, I've got to wake up at 4 40 AM to work.
Wow, I haven't heard anyone hate on Kobe for awhile. I should make a thread about it and stir up a bunch of bullshit for absolutely no reason
Kobe-haters stick to two main points: -"Kobe's a ballhog and not a team player" and -"If Kobe doesn't win 6 more rings he's never gonna be better than Jordan" Both of these are hogwash. Have you seen the Lakers? Kwame Brown is officially a "scrub". Smush Parker can't shoot and Andrew Bynum won't be anything for the next 3 years. Everybody blames Kobe for the Laker's troubles, but the truth is they collectivley SUCK. No leadership skills can make up for the fact that the Lakers are garbage. Kobe can play "team ball" all he wants but if his team can't hit shots then it's irrelevant.
Whatever happened to hating a player because you hate the team? If Lakers fans are going to swarm into Oakland every year and cheer for Kobe Bryant, and talk a bunch of trash about the Warriors, why should I have to respond with calculated reason? Am I going to offend the delicate psyche of Kobe Bryant? I'm sure he could care less what I think, and I'm also sure he has no idea what I think. I don't like Kobe Bryant because he plays for a team that antagonizes my favorite team, in conference, and I don't feel necessarily bad because of that, because with the embarrassment of riches the Lakers have had in their franchise history, why should I bother? It could be a real good year for the Warriors coming up, building off of what they did. But when I turn on even the local radio station, all I'm hearing about is Kobe. I'm sick of it. Why do I hear nothing but noise about how there are too many Kobe haters out there? Shouldn't the enjoyment of watching the best shooting guard in the NBA counterbalance that annoyance? Shouldn't the disgusting surplus of Lakers championship rings suffice to dull that pain?
Why is this thread still open? There's zero point to it. Hell, it's the least productive thread I've seen in a while. Consider it closed.
