<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They also are attempting to send the expiring contract of retired guard Bob Sura to the Golden State Warriors for little-used guard Sarunas Jasikevicius, a move that would save the Warriors almost $3 million.</div> http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/story/76773.html Anything to save enough dough for Ellis and Biedrins...
That'd be a nice move. I've got enough confidence in Mullin and Nelson that they can bring in a training camp invitee to replace Jasikevicius. Azubuike could also take his minutes. My only reason to hesitate is that Jasikevicius' contract could also be used an a deal to move up in the draft. The Warrirors would also lose their best free throw shooter too, but if he's not on the floor, it doesn't really matter.
I don't get it. Both Sura and Cabbage has one year remaining, and Sura gets $3.8 mils while Cabbage gets $4 mils. There must be some mistake with the article or Sura's contract has been shrunk due to his injury (if that's possible)...
I'm confused by the Sura mention as well since the remaining years would be the same... http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm I wonder if it has something to do with Sura and retirement. If he is retired then maybe the deal expires this offseason at some point rather than beginning offseason of 2008-2009 / end of 2007-2008 season.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This thread mentions the Raptors are interested in Cabbage</div> Wow, they are very high on Sarunas. I'd love to take Juan Dixon for Sarunas, like one of the posters came up with.
I like Dixon, but isn't he more of a scorer than a guy who can run the offense and protect the ball? I'd much rather have his crafty buddy, Steve Blake. I think the team needs a high FT%, smart, in-control PG for those rare situations when Nelson needs to slow it down or control the tempo late in the game. I thought Sarunas would be perfect for that role, but for some reason he gets all excited when he actually gets PT, and tries to put on a show with unneccessary one-hand and no-look passes, which in turn just pisses off Nellie. I don't want Fisher, of course, because despite the labels he has like "savvy" and "veteran," he's more liable to LOSE a ball game for you at the end then PRESERVE it. He likes to be the hero, and because he's so buff he thinks he can hang with the best. Face it Fish, it takes more than muscles to be the best. You're NOT in Baron Davis' league, so how about protecting the ball and letting the REAL scorers win this game for us? Oh, what, you want to shoot a 40 ft. fade-away prayer out of the double team? Ugh... Not Eric Snow, either, because he shot 64% from FT and has no mid-range jumper, two no-nos for a Nellie PG. How about Jarret Jack? Earl Watson? Steve Blake? Luke Ridnour? Those would be good back-ups. I also liked Aaron Miles. I thought we let him go too quickly. Perhaps we'll find a guy like that in camp/draft. Probably better than getting a higher-priced guy when he'd only play back-up minutes to BD, and also when Nellie likes to use Ellis at PG, too. Interesting off season, nonetheless.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm confused by the Sura mention as well since the remaining years would be the same... http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm I wonder if it has something to do with Sura and retirement. If he is retired then maybe the deal expires this offseason at some point rather than beginning offseason of 2008-2009 / end of 2007-2008 season.</div> I'm also confused by this. I had a vague recollection that if a player is retiring due to injury, his salary is taken off the cap. It turns out that a team can apply to have a player's salary taken off their cap, but there are a couple of conditions: 1. The player has to have not played for a year due to that injury 2. Teams are not allowed to trade for the disabled player, then apply for the exception. So, only Houston could get cap relief from Sura (who didn't play last year) if he retires. Here's the section from Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ that talks about it: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player has retired. For example, James Worthy retired in 1994, two years before his contract ended. He continued to receive his salary for the 1994-95 and 1995-96 seasons, so his salary was included in the Lakers' team salary in those seasons. It is at the team's discretion (or as the result of an agreement between the team and player) whether to continue to pay the player after he has retired. There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley's entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley's salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract. Teams are not allowed to trade for disabled players and then apply for this salary cap relief. Only the team for which the player was playing when he was disabled may request this relief. If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player. </div> link
<div class="quote_poster">wtwalker77 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm also confused by this. I had a vague recollection that if a player is retiring due to injury, his salary is taken off the cap. It turns out that a team can apply to have a player's salary taken off their cap, but there are a couple of conditions: 1. The player has to have not played for a year due to that injury 2. Teams are not allowed to trade for the disabled player, then apply for the exception. So, only Houston could get cap relief from Sura (who didn't play last year) if he retires. Here's the section from Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ that talks about it: link</div> 2. Teams are not allowed to trade for the disabled player, then apply for the exception. Wow, good find. It could be that the one-liner in the article brought up something that's not even legit, maybe. It's kind of like how some bay area news writers don't fully understand the CBA (or bother to look it up) to back their trade scenarios or stuff they've heard on the grapevine. And let's say we do trade for Sura, but can't apply for the exception until a year later (if Sura is still hurt) it would not be worth it IMO for the obvious reason of the contract expiring anyway. We could probably due more in trading a healthy Sarunas J. where several teams might covet such a veteran shooting type who has led teams before in international ball.
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I like Dixon, but isn't he more of a scorer than a guy who can run the offense and protect the ball? I'd much rather have his crafty buddy, Steve Blake. I think the team needs a high FT%, smart, in-control PG for those rare situations when Nelson needs to slow it down or control the tempo late in the game. I thought Sarunas would be perfect for that role, but for some reason he gets all excited when he actually gets PT, and tries to put on a show with unneccessary one-hand and no-look passes, which in turn just pisses off Nellie. I don't want Fisher, of course, because despite the labels he has like "savvy" and "veteran," he's more liable to LOSE a ball game for you at the end then PRESERVE it. He likes to be the hero, and because he's so buff he thinks he can hang with the best. Face it Fish, it takes more than muscles to be the best. You're NOT in Baron Davis' league, so how about protecting the ball and letting the REAL scorers win this game for us? Oh, what, you want to shoot a 40 ft. fade-away prayer out of the double team? Ugh... Not Eric Snow, either, because he shot 64% from FT and has no mid-range jumper, two no-nos for a Nellie PG. How about Jarret Jack? Earl Watson? Steve Blake? Luke Ridnour? Those would be good back-ups. I also liked Aaron Miles. I thought we let him go too quickly. Perhaps we'll find a guy like that in camp/draft. Probably better than getting a higher-priced guy when he'd only play back-up minutes to BD, and also when Nellie likes to use Ellis at PG, too. Interesting off season, nonetheless.</div> OK, I'll agree. Basically getting anything decent for Sarunas would be fine with me. I don't think Sarunas could get this team Watson or Ridnour. I am not sure about Steve Blake either, but perhaps - I really don't know (I have doubts as I do about the Raptors trading Dixon for Sarunas). I wouldn't even mind getting Sura with or without the cap relief for Sarunas (I am being a bit cruel here, but he's just too slow and really bad defensively). But I am hoping the Warriors gets one of those types of PGs from the draft this year. That young Fin sounds like an interesting prospect...
