2007 NBA Finals Thread: Cleveland Cavaliers v San Antonio Spurs

<div class="quote_poster">Kidd Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, Bowen fouled Lebron in the act of shooting. No call, anyone surprised?</div>

 

Bowen did foul LeBron, it was intentional. What a mistake by Bob Delany. I think its pretty obvious that these TV ratings were even lower than the ones last week. Very slow game, great defense but no one could hit jumpshots due to there being very little rythem through the game. Spurs are tasting the sweep now.

Haha, you have got to love LeBron's reaction to the foul: "BOB, HE FOULED ME!"

 

Haha. What a terrible no call. Bowen was trying to intentionally foul. I mean, Lebron shot it from far away and with time left cause he was trying to get 3 foul shots.... cause he was fouled... wow.

 

It was a close game, and both teams played good defense, and also some pretty bad offense. Cleveland was like 3-19 from 3 point land, and Ginobli, Parker, Duncan just didn't get it going. (Ginobli 0-7 FGs)

 

This game should have been Cleveland's but they got screwed in the end. I think this is possibly going to be a sweep. This was the one game that the Cavs should have taken, but unfortunately, the officiating in the end was horrible.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This game should have been Cleveland's but they got screwed in the end. I think this is possibly going to be a sweep. This was the one game that the Cavs should have taken, but unfortunately, the officiating in the end was horrible.</div>

The Cavaliers got extremely lucky they were only down by three at that point. With 20 or so seconds left LeBron is stopped in the post and decides to hand it to Anderson Varejao so that he can get the ball back and re-set. Except Varejao decides to be LeBron with big hair and chucks up a brick. The Cavs may have gotten overtime stolen from them, but they also were very lucky that they had the chance to be in the position of taking it to OT. So no, the game should not have been Clevelands.

 

who didnt see this coming? spurs are so much more expierienced and are all really good basketball players, except bowen ofcourse, and thats the sad part, that bowen can get a ring by being a disshonest Fukin cowardly ratty biatch and players like KG are the most honest, loyal, deserving players yet they gat nowhere near the finals. what a backwards world we live in.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">who didnt see this coming? spurs are so much more expierienced and are all really good basketball players, except bowen ofcourse, and thats the sad part, that bowen can get a ring by being a disshonest Fukin cowardly ratty biatch and players like KG are the most honest, loyal, deserving players yet they gat nowhere near the finals. what a backwards world we live in.</div>

I understand that Bruce Bowen is a dirty player but did he kill your entire family or something? He's still a great defender and is currently responsible for giving hell to LeBron. Don't forget about Bowen's three point shot either. I don't know where you're coming from on this.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This game should have been Cleveland's but they got screwed in the end. I think this is possibly going to be a sweep. This was the one game that the Cavs should have taken, but unfortunately, the officiating in the end was horrible.</div>
I don't understand how officiating made them lose, even if they got the Lebron call, all that could've happened is them tying the game, outside of that, there really wasn't much else deciding the game in terms of officiating, so...

 

Lets blame the officals for the Cavs lost.... how stupid does that sound. They had plenty of opportunities to win the game they just could not capitalize on them.

 

Awful call at the end of the game (or should I say no-call) but that is not soul the reason why the Cavs did not win:
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[*]The foul, obviously. But who is necessarily to say that LeBron would have made those free throws to tie the game?
[*]Woeful 3 point shooting: 3-19 or 15%. And they had really good looks - wide open threes that bricked out. Had they even made just 3 more (6-19 still isn't good) they would have been in a much stronger position.
[*]Anderson Varejao. WHAT THE HELL WAS HE THINKING??? A spin move followed by a scoop lay-up - he's crazy.
[*]Daniel Gibson failed to show up as a starting guard. He shot 1-10 (0-5 from 3) which is no better than Larry Hughes. He defended OK, but with him scoring only 2 points, we'd have been better off starting Snow.
[*]Turnovers. LeBron James is currently averaging 5.7 turnovers per game and whilst this is mostly because he plays the majority of every game, and carries the ball a lot, it is not good enough.
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Now for the positives:
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[*]Good rebounding. 48 rebounds including 15 on the offensive glass is really good, and the Cavs will need to get that in the next 4 games to win (you gotta believe, lol).
[*]Ilgauskas had a nice game with 12 points and 18 boards (10 offensive). His FG% needs to up a bit, but it was still a nice game.
[*]LeBron, too, had a good game, but he just wasn't supported well enough by his teammates.
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If the Cavs couldn't beat the Spurs when holding them to just 75 points, they have pretty much no chance of beating them in this series.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Cavs best opportunities to win were Game 1 and last night. San Antonio was atrocious last night and were getting slaughtered on the glass, but still managed to win.

If the Cavs have any motivation left, I think they can win Game 4. Defensively they were great last night, and they just that offense to come around. LeBron is just now starting to figure out some of the soft spots in San Antonio's defense, and is getting into the paint more.

I don't think the Cavs want to have the legacy of being the worst team to ever make the NBA Finals. Right now they're flirting with that title.</div>

Wern't the Nets against the Lakers the worst team in the finals?

 

I thought the foul on Lebron was before the shot or the act of shooting? It maybe 2 FT instead of 3.

 

this loss just showed me

A. Bron needs teammates...anyone blaming this lost on him is just stupid....seriously when you're triple teamed guys like Boobie, Palvovic, etc. have to hit wide ass open jump shots..and Verajo??? what in the hell are you thinking, yes Bron passed it to you because he was caught in mid air, that doesn't mean you go one on one and try to score on a spinning off balanced hook shot........do you know who you are?.....do you know your f***ing role?

B. That NBA officiating still finds some way to mess up even the crappiest games......that was one blatant ass foul by bowen at the end

C. The Spurs are fortunate to play in an era where 3 of their finals opponents have been mediocre at best.....dynasty my ass.......

 

<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
C. The Spurs are fortunate to play in an era where 3 of their finals opponents have been mediocre at best.....dynasty my ass.......</div>

I assume that the opponent that you are reffering to as not mediocre was the Detroit Pistons in 2005.

However, I believe that the New York Knicks were not a mediocre team. When the playoffs began the Knicks got hot and couldn't be stopped even if they were the #8 seed. Latrell Sprewell, Allan Houston, and Marcus Camby created a variety of ways that the team could score and it ravaged through the Eastern Conference. Not only did the Knicks have a ton of momentum going into the 1999 finals but they also had a certain confidence.

Also, you can't refer to the Spurs as not a dynasty becuase their Eastern Conference, finals opponents were weak. San Antonio has to go through tons of great teams in the West before they can even get to the Finals. Just this year they played a Denver Nuggets squad fresh off of a 10 game winning streak, The Pheonix Suns, and The Utah Jazz. All of those teams are capable of winning the finals if they came out of the West.

In reality the finals were played in the second round of the playoffs, San Antonio vs. Pheonix. Spurs won in 6.

 

<div class="quote_poster">GArenas Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I assume that the opponent that you are reffering to as not mediocre was the Detroit Pistons in 2005.

However, I believe that the New York Knicks were not a mediocre team. When the playoffs began the Knicks got hot and couldn't be stopped even if they were the #8 seed. Latrell Sprewell, Allan Houston, and Marcus Camby created a variety of ways that the team could score and it ravaged through the Eastern Conference. Not only did the Knicks have a ton of momentum going into the 1999 finals but they also had a certain confidence.

Also, you can't refer to the Spurs as not a dynasty becuase their Eastern Conference, finals opponents were weak. San Antonio has to go through tons of great teams in the West before they can even get to the Finals. Just this year they played a Denver Nuggets squad fresh off of a 10 game winning streak, The Pheonix Suns, and The Utah Jazz. All of those teams are capable of winning the finals if they came out of the West.

In reality the finals were played in the second round of the playoffs, San Antonio vs. Pheonix. Spurs won in 6.</div>

I hate the Suns and the Spurs but he is right. I don't know how you think the Spurs are not a dynasty Dream...

 

I don't know I look at the teams they've faced over the years (and I used this as part of my argument the other day in the Duncan thread) and the only truely "great" teams that they've came across over this 9 year stretch are

a. the lakers
b. the suns this year (and even this series win is questionable do to the suspension
c. the pistons

imo


I remember that Knick team and while they were good, they were a team full of a couple of good players who rode momentum to get to the finals.......

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate the Suns and the Spurs but he is right. I don't know how you think the Spurs are not a dynasty Dream</div>

the nuggets = a good team, but not a championship team

the suns = a championship team

the jazz = the nuggets

 

<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know I look at the teams they've faced over the years (and I used this as part of my argument the other day in the Duncan thread) and the only truely "great" teams that they've came across over this 9 year stretch are

a. the lakers
b. the suns this year (and even this series win is questionable do to the suspension
c. the pistons

imo


I remember that Knick team and while they were good, they were a team full of a couple of good players who rode momentum to get to the finals.......</div>

Three finals appearances and wins in the past 5 years would make a team a dynasty for sure. But then again they also have the greatest power forward of all time, an underrated all star who is capable of coming up huge in big games in Tony Parker, they have Ginobili, who is an all star player despite his constants flopping, they have one of the greatest role players and clutch players of all time who already has 7 rings and about to get his 8 in Robert Horry. They even have a hall of fame coach in Greg Poppavic who is a top 3 coach in the league right now, if not the best.

They may be on the boring side, but they do everything right which makes them more boring. The usually dominate the other team. I don't know what you consider a dynasty, Dream, but the San Antonio Spurs definitely look like one to me and many others.