<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Oregonian has secured the official weights, measurements and testing results from the Orlando predraft camp, and wait until you get a load of the freak of nature called Greg Oden. For starters, his numbers blow Kevin Durant out of the water. There are several startling revelations in the numbers, and the one that immediately pops out is the bench press. Players were rated on how many times they could bench press 185 pounds. Oden didn't attempt the bench press in order to prevent an injury to his right wrist, which has recently recovered from injury. <font size="3">But get this: Only one player was unable to bench press 185 even once - Kevin Durant.</font> There is more. Oden is faster than Durant in the 3/4-court sprint, quicker in the lane-agility drill, and has better numbers in the running and standing vertical leaps. And, Oden has a mind-boggling 7.8 body-fat percentage ... most big men are north of the 12 percent range. For instance, other top-rated big men such as Washington's Spencer Hawes (13.0), Duke's Josh McRoberts (13.7) and Pitt's Aaron Gray (10.8) don't compare. Let's get to the specifics. Oden is 6-foot-11 without shoes, 7-feet with shoes. He weighs 257 pounds. His wingspan is 7 feet, 4.25 inches (fourth best in the draft). His standing reach is 9 feet, 4 inches (the highest of anyone in the draft). His standing vertical is 32 inches, his running vertical 34 inches. The lane agility drill, where a player runs through cones alternating between running backward, sideways and forward, is 11.67 seconds. And his 3/4 court sprint was 3.27 seconds. The thing that jumps out is Oden's speed and agility. We all know Oregon's Aaron Brooks is fast. Brooks finished the 3/4 court sprint in 3.2 seconds. Oden was 3.27 seconds. Durant, meanwhile, finished in 3.45. Oden's 11.67 in the agility drill speaks volumes to the footwork so many scouts rave about. Durant did the same drill in 12.33. Durant's specifics are as follows: Height: 6-foot-9 without shoes, 6-foot-10.25 with shoes. Weight: 215. Wing span: 7-foot-4.75 (second longest in the draft - Maryland's Ekene Ibekwe is 7-6). Standing reach: 9-2. Body fat: 6.6. Standing vertical jump: 26.0 inches; running vertical jump, 33.5 inches. Lane agility: 12.33 seconds and 3/4 court sprint, 3.45 seconds. Portland general manager Kevin Pritchard declined to comment on the numbers, in part because he had just received them himself. But really, there is no need for comment. The numbers speak volumes. --Quick</div> Source: OregonLive.com I know he's a great talent, but Durant needs to add more strength to his frame. Oden's numbers are mind blowing.
That's pretty mind boggling. Durant definitely needs to add more meat to him. He's very much a tweener right now, and he's not going to be able to play in the post if he doesn't get some strength on him.
Man, There are guys in my gym class that can bench 185 at least once. That is sad, because as a basketball player, you need to be a physical specimen, and if you can bench at least 185, then that is a surprise. I think, however, Durant will play a more outside game, not to much post in his first year. Still, I don't understand why is is so blown out of proportion. Must clubs now run a run-and-gun offense, Oden needs to be quick. Very few teams, with the exception of Miami and maybe the Spurs, just stop and post up as much as they used to. Oden needs to be quick, and Durant needs to become a much stronger player. I'm surprised Yi Jialian benched 185, he looks way smaller then Durant.
i hate things such as this, the 40 yard dash, and anything else that measures time to the dot (other than official races and whatnot). i realize that it is impressive that oden is doing these things faster than durant, but if I were a gm, i could care less that oden ran an agility drill .66 seconds faster than durant, along with other timed drills such as this. they turn it into to big of a deal. oden also ran the 3/4 court .18 seconds faster than durant. once again, a positive for oden, but i still believe it is overrated. i mean, in an actual game, does it really matter if one guy gets from point a to point b in a small fraction of a second sooner than the other guy? i like and agree with MOST of the article, but this stuff just kills me.
<div class="quote_poster">hoops4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i hate things such as this, the 40 yard dash, and anything else that measures time to the dot (other than official races and whatnot). i realize that it is impressive that oden is doing these things faster than durant, but if I were a gm, i could care less that oden ran an agility drill .66 seconds faster than durant, along with other timed drills such as this. they turn it into to big of a deal. oden also ran the 3/4 court .18 seconds faster than durant. once again, a positive for oden, but i still believe it is overrated. i mean, in an actual game, does it really matter if one guy gets from point a to point b in a small fraction of a second sooner than the other guy? i like and agree with MOST of the article, but this stuff just kills me.</div> Yeah, it does actually. Because if Tayshaun was a fraction of a second later, Indiana would've gone to the finals in 2004.
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, it does actually. Because if Tayshaun was a fraction of a second later, Indiana would've gone to the finals in 2004.</div> LMFAO good point! hahaha
I dunno, who cares what Durant can bench? He's not a center. How much can T-Mac bench, I would say not all that much. AK-47. Rip Hamilton etc.... You can't be fast AND bench a ton. Pick one.
You can't be fast and bench a ton? Earl Boykins supposedly can bench near 400 pounds. I'm sure LeBron benches a hell of a lot, same for Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You can't be fast AND bench a ton. Pick one.</div> Greg Oden can apparentley, hahaha. 185lbs is 83kg on our scales, while thats not alot, its still more than I can bench, lol. I havent benched for ages, but I think I could only do about 55kg, hahaha. I can do 40kg on close grip bench press, and thats a pretty fair effort I reckon.
Durant has some pretty disappointing numbers...Going to the NBA and cant even bench 185 once? thats pretty sad. He will get pushed around by 2 gaurds if he doesnt get bigger.
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I dunno, who cares what Durant can bench? He's not a center. How much can T-Mac bench, I would say not all that much. AK-47. Rip Hamilton etc.... You can't be fast AND bench a ton. Pick one.</div> NO, he doesn't have to be as strong at his position, but if he wants to be able to post up in the NBA he's gonna have to hit the weights. 185 is not that much weight (45 and 25 plate on each side). Hell, I can do that weight about 10 times, and I have a friend who is 5'6", 140 lbs who can do it even more. A guy who is 6'9" 215 should have no problem with such weight. An athlete should be able to bench his weight about 10 times.
Man, I can't wait to see Oden play in the NBA. I've only seen a single college season and I'm already a big fan. Those numbers are ridiculous. As for Durant, I'm not that surprised. Did it really look like he could bench a lot? Everyone knows that he has to work on building strength and his defense. But a lot of prospects come into the league like that.
It's a lot harder to bench when you're that long, it's a lot easier for shorter guys. He still needs to put on some muscle, but this isn't the end of the world (for Durant).
<div class="quote_poster">Ed! Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's a lot harder to bench when you're that long, it's a lot easier for shorter guys. He still needs to put on some muscle, but this isn't the end of the world (for Durant).</div> Exactly. Earl Boykins and your 5'6" friend can bench a lot because they're not freakishly long like Durant. Granted, he's still weak, but his length does restrain him from doing well on the bench press strength tests. With that said, was anyone expecting him to bench more than 185 lbs. once? Everyone knows that he's weak, but he's just 19 years old and has a frame that looks like it can carry weight. Besides, looking around at some of the other top wings in the league, are all of them physical specimens? Not McGrady, not Bryant, and definitely not Prince. Even big men like Garnett and Gasol are successful despite lacking the strength of their opponents.
Adding to VC's point, look at guys like T-Mac, Kobe, Bosh and KG (basically, most teenage phenoms that came into the league, not counting Lebron), they were all quite skinny when they came into the league. Kobe was skinny until about his second year when he started gaining muscle, and Tracy wasn't properly built until about his last season in Toronto or his Orlando days. KG still doesn't look that built, but compared to his rookie year, he's obviously much stronger. Durant will gain the weight in time, but the first year, he just has to adjust to the NBA game and do his thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Adding to VC's point, look at guys like T-Mac, Kobe, Bosh and KG (basically, most teenage phenoms that came into the league, not counting Lebron), they were all quite skinny when they came into the league. Kobe was skinny until about his second year when he started gaining muscle, and Tracy wasn't properly built until about his last season in Toronto or his Orlando days. KG still doesn't look that built, but compared to his rookie year, he's obviously much stronger. Durant will gain the weight in time, but the first year, he just has to adjust to the NBA game and do his thing.</div> Very good point. While Dwight Howard looks big right now, he used to be pretty small in high school. In an interview on TNT, he said that when he met Barkley for the first time, Charles told him that he would never make it in the NBA because of how skinny he was. Dwight looked up to Barkley and now look where he is. I don't think Durant is going to have much trouble adjusting to the professional level. He's going to be working out like crazy and getting all of the help he needs to bulk up. He'll be fine and pretty soon he'll be Kobe or McGrady size like you said.
some of you guys are saying he cant do 185 because he has a long frame. well all the other 6'9" guys did 185. durant needs to bulk up and start on the weights right now because he wont have a chance at the SF spot being that light and that weak. KG was never weak, he was just skinny, he is actually one of the strongest players in the nba, kobe wasnt weak for a SG, neither was tmac. look at what happened to adam morrison this season, the guy could ball in colledge, but he was too weak and too slow to do anything last season. durants a great player, but he needs to adress his strength and speed if he wants to keep up with the rest of the SF's in the league.
Well, considering how well Durant played basketball in the NCAA, his abilities must translate onto the court well. Someone can be a great physical specimen and not be a great nba player (Joey Graham), or on the other hand not the strongest player, (Bosh) if they have a lot of basketball skills can be very good. Obviously when a very physically talented player with great basketball skills comes around its the best of both worlds. I personally would pick Oden over Durant, but I'd definitely pick Durant over any other SF who benched more reps than him. Anyway how many other 6'9 SFs with a massive wingspan (almost 7'5) and have a body fat of 6.6 %?
Where are the measurements for basketball IQ and feel for the game? Methinks Durant would go alright in that.
<div class="quote_poster">Skiptomylue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway how many other 6'9 SFs with a massive wingspan (almost 7'5) and have a body fat of 6.6 %?</div> Exactly, its much much harder to bench with that large of a wingspan. Durant could easily put on muscle with the Sonics (look at Robert Swift). He doesn't need a huge vertical because he has height, wingspan, and great low post moves. I hate stuff like this, since when has athleticism ever trumped basketball iq and fundamentals? Tim Duncan should leave the NBA right now.
