<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So you're saying by being a good person and trying to go to heaven is playing f*ing stupid?</div> I may be reading too much into it, but I think he's calling the very idea of a heaven stupid, not being a 'good person,' which is extremely subjective in itself, just like your code of morality. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its also physically impossible to disprove. Just throwing that out there.</div> Evolution, anyone?
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So you're saying by being a good person and trying to go to heaven is playing f*ing stupid?</div> Yes. There is no scientific proof that there is a Heaven or Hell, and there is no phsyical way of proving it. You're basically living your life through positive thinking. There is nothing wrong with that of course, it is just stupid, because you arent going to live much of a life. You're essentially living your life to die, not living your life to live your life. <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Its also physically impossible to disprove. Just throwing that out there.</div> I hate it when people defend their religion with this statement, if it cant phsyically be proven, it doesnt exist, end of story. How was the myth started anyway? No one can possibly know, so where did the story come from? It's like me saying that Santa Claus is infact real, it cant be proven otherwise that he isnt, but you would all think I was retarded if I believed that wouldnt you? This is no different.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes. There is no scientific proof that there is a Heaven or Hell, and there is no phsyical way of proving it. You're basically living your life through positive thinking. There is nothing wrong with that of course, it is just stupid, because you arent going to live much of a life. You're essentially living your life to die, not living your life to live your life.</div> Oh, we're talking heaven and hell? I thought we were talking about creation. In that case, it's not possible to scientifically prove or disprove the concept, but it is definitely possible to trace its roots and realize that its origins lie in population control and a method of story telling designed to explain things that humankind, in a more innocent time, had no technical explanation for.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Evolution, anyone?</div> Yea, because every religion follows Christianity's stance on that issue, right? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate it when people defend their religion with this statement, if it cant phsyically be proven, it doesnt exist, end of story. How was the myth started anyway? No one can possibly know, so where did the story come from? It's like me saying that Santa Claus is infact real, it cant be proven otherwise that he isnt, but you would all think I was retarded if I believed that wouldnt you? This is no different.</div> Dude, I'm not defending religious belief with that statement. All I'm saying is that you're lying if you think that you can be absolutely certain that there is no God. That's the one thing that everyone has to take into consideration (regardless of whether they're religious or not).
To know if there is a Heaven or Hell, you would have to die, then come back to life after an extended period of time to know. That is impossible to do, it can't be proven any other way, it doesnt exist. Religion as a whole is merely a fable created at some point in time, just like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. A carpenter named Jesus may have existed, but he did not come back to life, its an impossibility. <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, I'm not defending religious belief with that statement. All I'm saying is that you're lying if you think that you can be absolutely certain that there is no God. That's the one thing that everyone has to take into consideration (regardless of whether they're religious or not).</div> There is no proof or evidence of a "God", and even 99% of the people who believe in "God" cant even say what "God" is. Again, this is somthing that we will never ever know, it cant be proven, therefore, there is a 99.9% chance it doesnt exist. How did we get here? How were we created? I dont know, I will never know, no one will ever know, so I tend not to think, or care about it, because no matter what you believe, it cant be proven, and is therefore completely pointless. Why cant we just enjoy living life without worrying about where we started? Sure its an interesting subject, although its all rhetorical, we will never know. I think the most logical explanation is Evolution, although in saying that, I'm not saying that Scientists explanation on that subject over time is correct. Again, we only know as much as we can go back in time and keep a record of. If you look at how far we have come in the last 100 years alone, Evolving, or Evolution is the most logical explanation.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, because every religion follows Christianity's stance on that issue, right?</div> No, you're putting words in my mouth. But for the record, do you believe in creationism? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A carpenter named Jesus may have existed, but he did not come back to life, its an impossibility.</div> I agree with you that religion is a farce, but Jesus definitely existed historically. Not many theologists will tell you otherwise. It's just a matter of whether or not you believe in him as the messiah. Either way, your argument isn't valid to anyone following Christianity, because they believe heavily in the supernatural and not logic.
Yea, but all your knowledge comes from scientific laws and empirical capability (the senses, etc.). And all of that is based on the idea of causation. So, its basically a belief that patterns that have happened in the past will always repeat themselves. And that's just as big a leap of faith when you think about it. The Sun has set for hundreds of millions of years, but is that guarantee that it will do the same tomorrow? That's the point I'm trying to make about certainty (For the record, it applied just as much, if not more, to Umair as it did to you. I just quoted your post because it seemed like a good place to make my point). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">No, you're putting words in my mouth. But for the record, do you believe in creationism? </div> Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. And no, I don't believe in creationism.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">No, you're putting words in my mouth. But for the record, do you believe in creationism? </div> Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. And no, I don't believe in creationism.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes. There is no scientific proof that there is a Heaven or Hell, and there is no phsyical way of proving it. You're basically living your life through positive thinking. There is nothing wrong with that of course, it is just stupid, because you arent going to live much of a life. You're essentially living your life to die, not living your life to live your life.</div> Now, you're suppose to believe in life through scientic proofs? Science doesn't prove anything. I mean I can't show it to you, you're suppose to have your own belief and faith in it.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Now, you're suppose to believe in life through scientic proofs? Science doesn't prove anything.</div> Dude, I'm sorry, but that is the most idiotic thing I have ever read. Are you actually defending your point by saying things that have actually been phsyically proven are infact wrong? Just think about the millions of different things Science and Research has brought to light or proven Umair. Like I mentioned above, I'm not saying that Scientists explanation of Evolution is correct, however out of all the theories that are out there, it is certainly the most logical, as it doesnt contain bizarre stories about resurection and other rubbish that is physical impossibility. I just think they are on the right path, however like I said, we will never know.
OK how the ***** are you suppose to use scientific theories to tell if Heaven exists? Its not something you use science for, like me, I have faith and belief in my religion that there is Heaven/Hell. You can't prove it, you believe it.
Man, I'm tired of talking about religion. The new Fantastic 4 sucked ass. I heard a Punjabi song that sampled the beat from that Lil Jon song that sampled Ozzy Ozbourne's "Crazy Train." That was something new. 2nd level sampling. Canada's U20 soccer team is so overmatched its not even funny. I've been to a few guitar shops looking to follow up on the info that a lot people gave me (thanks again to the people who helped me in this thread). Does anybody else who frequents these shops encounter the dudes that sit there for a full hour playing the same damn riff over and over again? I don't even think he wanted to buy a guitar. It looked like he was looking for attention.
Did you just say science doesn't prove anything? I can't believe you said that...wtf, do you not pay attention in school? Dude, not everything in religion is right, you're so ignorant. Life has a lot of harsh realities coming your way. Explain to me the theory of you getting 77 virgins when you get to Heaven. Do you really expect there to be 77 virgins? If so, in today's world, they'll all be like 12 or 13.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">OK how the ***** are you suppose to use scientific theories to tell if Heaven exists? Its not something you use science for, like me, I have faith and belief in my religion that there is Heaven/Hell. You can't prove it, you believe it.</div> Exactly my point, it cant be proven. Now my other point. Since it cant be proven, you are now limiting the way you live your CURRENT life in order to gain acceptance into somthing that essentially doesnt exist. All I'm saying is, who gives a f*** what happens after we die? Why cant you just live your life now, to the fullest, instead of limiting yourself to stupid beliefs. I feel very sorry for you Umair, very sorry.
I didn't watch it, but yeah I heard its boring. Can someone tell me one thing: I play basketball/tennis. Like when I am at home my foot doesn't hurt. But when I play bball or tennis it just starts hurting likr sh*t. I mean real bad. When I am done playing, its healed. Its f'd up man.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly my point, it cant be proven. All I'm saying is, who gives a f*** what happens after we die?</div> When I said science doesn't prove anything, I mean it in religions. Not in everyday life. I mean it in religion. Science doesn't prove religions. Belief/faith does. You can't ask a person to give you science proofs to see if there is god. It's a belief. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why cant you just live your life now, to the fullest, instead of limiting yourself to stupid beliefs. I feel very sorry for you Umair, very sorry.</div> Apparently, you are an atheist and don't believe in God I am assuming. I believe there is after-life after you die. And to get to heaven, you must be a good person and not commit sins. And what do you mean limiting yourself to stupid beliefs. If you don't believe in something, at least respect other religions. Thank you.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Can someone tell me one thing: I play basketball/tennis. Like when I am at home my foot doesn't hurt. But when I play bball or tennis it just starts hurting likr sh*t. I mean real bad. When I am done playing, its healed. Its f'd up man.</div> I would say go to the doctor and get that looked at, but you dont believe in Science, so it may not be of much use.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would say go to the doctor and get that looked at, but you dont believe in Science, so it may not be of much use.</div> I was saying Science doesn't prove religions. Faith/Beliefs does.
