<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Mar 26 2008, 01:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Mar 26 2008, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've really never found much personal gain from religion. After being raised a Unitarian Universalist (and currently holding those beliefs) I haven't found anything besides what's found in science to give substantial meaning, nor have I needed any form of moral guidance besides what was passed down from my parents. Still, if there is one religion that I think could offer anything to me (besides the general views of religion I've developed by being UU), I think it's Baha'i. I was talking to a friend of mine about how the concept of spirituality has definitions explained by psychology and religion, and in the conversation I was very impressed that Baha'i included general life values (specifically education) instead of typical credos.</div> I hate you more and more by the day. </div> haha I know what you're thinking, and I know that you follow Baha'i (although I don't know to what end), but I did have that conversation with someone else. I was being sincere. for what its worth the Sonics Reality Tv show and comparisons of Curry to Roy were all KC's idea
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Mar 26 2008, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 26 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm singling out Islam because I had to do an essay on it. And I do realize that this is the same way with nearly every religion. I wasn't saying there that the concept of a religion is dumb. What's dumb is the fact that people are told something, and don't question it. They just believe what they are told. When you take a step back and look at everything, that's how it is with so many things. And it's pretty ridiculous. (Then again, I guess I was saying the concept of religion is dumb, because that's basically what it is.) I also do realize that the pillars do have good intentions (and actually pointed that out many times when talking to my friend about it). I realize that Muhammed had some good intentions (whether he was sane or not). I also realize that, with no intention, he created a religion that has turned out a whole shit load of killing (and I do realize that the same can be said about other religions, though). I just did a whole essay on all the deaths resulting from the creation of Islam. And it's just really annoying me. Damn, it's so hard to type out my thoughts so that they make sense right now. I'm so tired and worn out from a long day. If I didn't make sense with anything in here, please point it out.</div> "Muhammed [sic] had some good intentions (whether he was sane or not)" he had some good intentions? what bad intentions did he have? oh yah, to make a religion that will lead to killings and death! what evidence is there that he is insane? that he talked to god? i can only imagine what you'd be saying if he was talking to a burning bush. so you're writing an essay about how Islam is accountable for death? sounds awesome. </div> Oh yeah. I don't even wanna talk about how ridiculous Judaism/Christianity sounds. I don't believe Muhammed had any bad intentions. Not sure where you're getting that from. And it's more like an essay about how the the characteristics of human beings caused many deaths in the name of God. Not about how Islam is accountable for death. You're taking my words out of context there, I said that deaths occured as a result of the creation of Islam. Not necessarily that Islam is accountable for the deaths. It's the people themselves and their lust for power and mistunderstandings of what God wants that are accountable for so many deaths.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 26 2008, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah. I don't even wanna talk about how ridiculous Judaism/Christianity sounds. I don't believe Muhammed had any bad intentions. Not sure where you're getting that from. And it's more like an essay about how the the characteristics of human beings caused many deaths in the name of God. Not about how Islam is accountable for death. You're taking my words out of context there, I said that deaths occured as a result of the creation of Islam. Not necessarily that Islam is accountable for the deaths. It's the people themselves and their lust for power and mistunderstandings of what God wants that are accountable for so many deaths.</div> saying "he had some good intentions" infers that the others would be bad, correct? it's very easy to see where i'm getting it from. word replace: Islam with religion.
Peg I think as a writer you've got to be accountable for your pen. It looks like you're on the road to writing a paper that shows a correlation between violence and this religion, but if you're not responsible it might also carry a tone of causality. Of course, my understanding is that this isn't your goal. I see your point: that peoples' understanding, perspective, and internalization of a religious message could be misconstrued, but I think you're dangerously close to making the example (Islam) responsible for this. edit: I guess my point is: why islam? The same could be said for any religion, and I think your paper would be stronger (and lower the risk of misunderstandings) by expanding it that way. edit 2: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>word replace: Islam with religion.</div> I think we're seeing this the same way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Mar 26 2008, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>saying "he had some good intentions" infers that the others would be bad, correct? it's very easy to see where i'm getting it from. word replace: Islam with religion.</div> I guess I wrote that the wrong way. I made a mistake there. Take out the word "some". Also, for the millionth time, I understand that everything I'm saying about Islam could be said about most religions. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>edit: I guess my point is: why islam? The same could be said for any religion, and I think your paper would be stronger (and lower the risk of misunderstandings) by expanding it that way.</div> I see your guys' point there, and I completely agree with it. But, I didn't have much of a choice: we had to base our paper on certain subjects that we'd just learned, those being Islam or the Ancient Mexico/South America civilizations. We're told to choose a certain generalization, one of those being "As human beings, we kill each other in the name of our God for anthropomorphic reasons." (Or something like that.) I felt that generalization was the one that was most interesting to me, and that I could write the most about, especially with all the assassinations and wars that occured during the reign of the Islamic Empire (c 600-700 AD). That's why I chose Islam to base my paper on.
Seems like you're being limited by your teacher then. Maybe this is a subject worth bring up to him/her? At the very least it might be worthwhile expanding your conclusion to say that the ideas talked in your paper can be applied to just about any religion (but I won't tell you how to write your paper )
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Mar 26 2008, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Seems like you're being limited by your teacher then. Maybe this is a subject worth bring up to him/her? At the very least it might be worthwhile expanding your conclusion to say that the ideas talked in your paper can be applied to just about any religion (but I won't tell you how to write your paper )</div> Yeah, I know. I don't like my teacher all that much, she treats us like high schoolers. I guess that's what I get for going to a community college. Hopefully, when I transfer (to a state college), my teachers will get better. And I probably should have included that in my conclusion...but the paper is already written, due tomorrow, and I'm too tired and lazy to go back and change it. And also, in my response to DADDY again, I actually did clarify in the paper that Muhammed's intentions were not to kill in the name of God (although that should be obvious anyways). I'm going to bed. Peace out.
That's right, apologize to your DADDY. seriously though I hope you get a good grade on your paper. I probably wish I knew you had already written it, because it would have made this discussion a bit of a moot point haha
I hate generalizations about religion and history that try to come up with an easy explanations. Its always so much more complicated and deep than simply saying "religion caused this and this and this...". You have to realize that over time, religions have become associated with and amalgamated with cultures, traditions, economies, politics, and I've always looked at those as the real forces throughout history. Were the Crusades and all that violence really motivated by religion or were religions used as a rallying point by individuals that had land, economies, and politics on their mind? Was the slave trade really fueled by religion or was religion used as a justification for something that was inherently economic? Religion's has always been something effective at rallying and bringing people together, and something that effective is bound to be utilized for political or economic reasons over time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 26 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Mar 26 2008, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 26 2008, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't get me started on the Islamic religion. I've had to do a 3 page essay (I know, easy) on the Islamic leaders, and while reading about it, I've found that it makes zero sense to me. And, to be honest, it sounds dumb as hell. Basically, some guy claims he's receiving messages from God, and everyone just believes it. No proof or anything. Riiiiight. Oh well, at least the pillars of Islam all have good intentions.</div> don't get you started on Islam? get started on what? i'd like to see what you have to say about it. religion is based off faith and what you believe, so just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's dumb. maybe it's on another level that you can't comprehend? "some guy claims he's receiving messages from God...No proof or anything" why are you singling out Islam? but at least the pillars have good intentions! </div> I'm singling out Islam because I had to do an essay on it. And I do realize that this is the same way with nearly every religion. I wasn't saying there that the concept of a religion is dumb. What's dumb is the fact that people are told something, and don't question it. They just believe what they are told. When you take a step back and look at everything, that's how it is with so many things. And it's pretty ridiculous. (Then again, I guess I was saying the concept of religion is dumb, because that's basically what it is.) I also do realize that the pillars do have good intentions (and actually pointed that out many times when talking to my friend about it). I realize that Muhammed had some good intentions (whether he was sane or not). I also realize that, with no intention, he created a religion that has turned out a whole shit load of killing (and I do realize that the same can be said about other religions, though). I just did a whole essay on all the deaths resulting from the creation of Islam. And it's just really annoying me. Damn, it's so hard to type out my thoughts so that they make sense right now. I'm so tired and worn out from a long day. If I didn't make sense with anything in here, please point it out. </div> Christian Church was so much better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I'm sure many of you read my thread about how my 'friends' laughed at me for believing in Pokemon. Well, I gathered the courage to go to school yesterday, I can't run away forever. All was going well until third period, the class with the two moronic non-believers. I walked into the class and.. AURGH, NO OTHER SEATS OTHER THAN THE ONES NEXT TO THEM TWO. I walked over and sat with them and it was pretty much silence for atleast 5 minutes. One of them suddenly gathered the courage to say "I can't believe you ACTUALLY believe in Pokemon.. You're gay". GRRRR.. THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED!! My response: "I'm quite sure about my sexuality to know that I am not gay, thank you very much. And as for my beliefs, I feel it's none of your business with what I should feel is the truth and what isn't". The other one stepped in "Well, we have proof Pokemon isn't real". I was shocked! They decided to research this! My response: "Haha, we at the Pokeclipse community have proven many people like you wrong, so come on, try to sound smart and say Pokemon isn't real with your 'research'". He got some paper out and started reading from it: "Pokémon is a media franchise owned by video game giant Nintendo and created by Satoshi Tajiri around 1995. Originally released as a pair of interlinkable Game Boy role-playing video games, Pokémon has since become the second most successful and lucrative video game-based media franchise in the world, behind only Nintendo's Mario series". HOLD ON A MINUTE! WHAT THE ****?!!! I stood up and slammed my hands on the desk "YOU GOT THAT FROM WIKIPEDIA.. YOU IDIOT". The idiot was in shock for a second and then responded: "Yeah.. So?". "Well WHAT PROOF IS THAT? YOU'VE COPIED SOMETHING FROM A WEBSITE, I FAIL TO SEE HOW THIS PROVES US AT POKECLIPSE WRONG" I shouted.. The class went quiet. He responded "I'm proving to you that Pokemon is made by Nintendo and was made by someone. Therefore it cannot be real". Oh dear.. Oh dear... My anger was rising and I really wanted to punch this non-believer in the face. I had to keep my cool to look good, so I said "Oh you silly boy.. For a start, you copied that from Wikipedia, one of the most unreliable sources on the internet. And, Nintendo has a portal of some sorts to get into the Pokemon universe, meaning they could have got the idea from that universe and marketed it to younger audiences. You're blinded by stupidity". His response:"...Yeah, but it's not real". I rest my case. I sat down, and here's where it all starts to get bad. Everyone had heard us, and I suddenly became the laughing stock of the class. People were calling me gay and now the WHOLE school knows I believe in Pokemon. I can't believe this is happening... Why are people so stupid. Pokemon are real, if only they would open their eyes.. Anyways, I wasn't on yesterday because I was pretty much crying all day. I never thought my beliefs would cause me to actually get bullied. It's so wrong. dry.gif Anyways, I'll keep you guys updated! I can't wait to prove them wrong when we each have our own Pokemon partner. cool.gif</div>
That's general knowledge. And if he liked Pokemon that much, he would know that, and he wouldn't call them out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Oh dear.. Oh dear... My anger was rising and I really wanted to punch this non-believer in the face. I had to keep my cool to look good . . .</div> Ok then.
Why would they have pokemon partners? Don't they know you get to keep 6 pokemon on your belt in pokeballs at all time? They'd have their partner, but I'd just double team them with Hitmonchan and Dragonite...I wouldn't even mess around, beat them up quickly. Maybe use Charizard and Blastoise.
Not sure who in my family did it, but putting salsa in an emptied out pickle jar is a bad idea. You can never really wash out the pickle-ness, no matter how hard you try.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"I'm quite sure about my sexuality to know that I am not gay, thank you very much. And as for my beliefs, I feel it's none of your business with what I should feel is the truth and what isn't".</div> If my future child is this mature at a young age I'll be quite proud, but if its about POKEMON then they're grounded for life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 26 2008, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Mar 26 2008, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Mar 26 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm singling out Islam because I had to do an essay on it. And I do realize that this is the same way with nearly every religion. I wasn't saying there that the concept of a religion is dumb. What's dumb is the fact that people are told something, and don't question it. They just believe what they are told. When you take a step back and look at everything, that's how it is with so many things. And it's pretty ridiculous. (Then again, I guess I was saying the concept of religion is dumb, because that's basically what it is.) I also do realize that the pillars do have good intentions (and actually pointed that out many times when talking to my friend about it). I realize that Muhammed had some good intentions (whether he was sane or not). I also realize that, with no intention, he created a religion that has turned out a whole shit load of killing (and I do realize that the same can be said about other religions, though). I just did a whole essay on all the deaths resulting from the creation of Islam. And it's just really annoying me. Damn, it's so hard to type out my thoughts so that they make sense right now. I'm so tired and worn out from a long day. If I didn't make sense with anything in here, please point it out.</div> "Muhammed [sic] had some good intentions (whether he was sane or not)" he had some good intentions? what bad intentions did he have? oh yah, to make a religion that will lead to killings and death! what evidence is there that he is insane? that he talked to god? i can only imagine what you'd be saying if he was talking to a burning bush. so you're writing an essay about how Islam is accountable for death? sounds awesome. </div> Oh yeah. I don't even wanna talk about how ridiculous Judaism/Christianity sounds. I don't believe Muhammed had any bad intentions. Not sure where you're getting that from. And it's more like an essay about how the the characteristics of human beings caused many deaths in the name of God. Not about how Islam is accountable for death. You're taking my words out of context there, I said that deaths occured as a result of the creation of Islam. Not necessarily that Islam is accountable for the deaths. It's the people themselves and their lust for power and mistunderstandings of what God wants that are accountable for so many deaths. </div> You still seem to have some negative biases and a negative view of Islam or else you wouldn't have said "Don't get me started on Islam."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Mar 26 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I'm sure many of you read my thread about how my 'friends' laughed at me for believing in Pokemon. Well, I gathered the courage to go to school yesterday, I can't run away forever. All was going well until third period, the class with the two moronic non-believers. I walked into the class and.. AURGH, NO OTHER SEATS OTHER THAN THE ONES NEXT TO THEM TWO. I walked over and sat with them and it was pretty much silence for atleast 5 minutes. One of them suddenly gathered the courage to say "I can't believe you ACTUALLY believe in Pokemon.. You're gay". GRRRR.. THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED!! My response: "I'm quite sure about my sexuality to know that I am not gay, thank you very much. And as for my beliefs, I feel it's none of your business with what I should feel is the truth and what isn't". The other one stepped in "Well, we have proof Pokemon isn't real". I was shocked! They decided to research this! My response: "Haha, we at the Pokeclipse community have proven many people like you wrong, so come on, try to sound smart and say Pokemon isn't real with your 'research'". He got some paper out and started reading from it: "Pokémon is a media franchise owned by video game giant Nintendo and created by Satoshi Tajiri around 1995. Originally released as a pair of interlinkable Game Boy role-playing video games, Pokémon has since become the second most successful and lucrative video game-based media franchise in the world, behind only Nintendo's Mario series". HOLD ON A MINUTE! WHAT THE ****?!!! I stood up and slammed my hands on the desk "YOU GOT THAT FROM WIKIPEDIA.. YOU IDIOT". The idiot was in shock for a second and then responded: "Yeah.. So?". "Well WHAT PROOF IS THAT? YOU'VE COPIED SOMETHING FROM A WEBSITE, I FAIL TO SEE HOW THIS PROVES US AT POKECLIPSE WRONG" I shouted.. The class went quiet. He responded "I'm proving to you that Pokemon is made by Nintendo and was made by someone. Therefore it cannot be real". Oh dear.. Oh dear... My anger was rising and I really wanted to punch this non-believer in the face. I had to keep my cool to look good, so I said "Oh you silly boy.. For a start, you copied that from Wikipedia, one of the most unreliable sources on the internet. And, Nintendo has a portal of some sorts to get into the Pokemon universe, meaning they could have got the idea from that universe and marketed it to younger audiences. You're blinded by stupidity". His response:"...Yeah, but it's not real". I rest my case. I sat down, and here's where it all starts to get bad. Everyone had heard us, and I suddenly became the laughing stock of the class. People were calling me gay and now the WHOLE school knows I believe in Pokemon. I can't believe this is happening... Why are people so stupid. Pokemon are real, if only they would open their eyes.. Anyways, I wasn't on yesterday because I was pretty much crying all day. I never thought my beliefs would cause me to actually get bullied. It's so wrong. dry.gif Anyways, I'll keep you guys updated! I can't wait to prove them wrong when we each have our own Pokemon partner. cool.gif</div> </div> Please tell me that's a chick talking...
