<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So why did you ask me to site my sources and ask for official statistics? If they were to be down played by "racial profiling." I mean, then all statistics on race issues are wrong because racism exists everywhere and racial profiling happens everywhere.</div> I asked for sources because you said ... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting pakman:</div><div class="quote_post">Black people causing the most crimes in United States is a FACT</div> When it's not a fact. Look at this chart from the site you sorted earlier. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables...tingracetab.htm The most crimes are committed by people illegally crossing the border from Mexico and other Latin countries.
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^You have life all figured out.</div> Why do you think that?
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why do you think that?</div> I suppose, because he sees that you don't rely on organized religion. As if that's the only source of knowledge about the world... Honestly, I don't have a problem with any perspective on spirituality (even if its no perspective at all). I may have my own beliefs, but the only thing I expect from others is a basic acceptance of differing opinions and worldviews. Too often, both religious and non-religious sides descend into pretentious insults and ignorant arguments that just annoy the hell out of me.
I don't. I'm not a religion...witty response. EDIT: I do agree with Chutney's post though, "don't rely on organized religion. As if that's the only source of knowledge about the world..."
The fact that blacks commit more crimes than white people(for the sake of this discussion, lets assume it is true) doesnt say anything about the general character or morals of their race, it just shows the difference between their present soccial situation. If white people were the minority, and had the same economical and social status that black people have now, they would be committing the majority of the crimes.
<div class="quote_poster">Pgballer17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The fact that blacks commit more crimes than white people(for the sake of this discussion, lets assume it is true) doesnt say anything about the general character or morals of their race, it just shows the difference between their present soccial situation.</div> EXACTLY. Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I suppose, because he sees that you don't rely on organized religion. As if that's the only source of knowledge about the world... Honestly, I don't have a problem with any perspective on spirituality (even if its no perspective at all). I may have my own beliefs, but the only thing I expect from others is a basic acceptance of differing opinions and worldviews. Too often, both religious and non-religious sides descend into pretentious insults and ignorant arguments that just annoy the hell out of me.</div> Nice prose, I agree with you.
After going through all the racism and Religion chat on here, all I have to write is that some of you need to get out more and get a real glimpse of hatred and problems. You think profiling and racism of blacks is bad in the US? Wow, seriously, time to get educated about the subject. Black people are indeed some of the most racially abused in the world. However, the majority of that comes from other countries. Black people in France, Spain and other countries can't even get a fair count of anything basically and they really never complain at all for how much abuse they receive. In many countries in Europe, black people can't even host television shows let alone write for magazines or get their work published unless they're sports athletes, if even that. They are abused verbally and physically by people mostly in Spain and Italy and the reports are usually never mentioned on television or the papers, Why? People don't really care at all over there for the common black person. What is scary about that? France is actually considered to be one of the better countries for fairness and less abuse with black people in Europe, yet they can't get certain media jobs and other types of occupation and are still labelled. When you go to the southern coastal towns and cities you'll often find black people are abused by others who enjoy making monkey noises and throwing fruits and batteries among other things at them. Sad thing is that this is all considered as every day stuff. If that happened in the United States, it would spark a huge media outburst with all the reverends preaching old slavery talk and etc, etc. These preachers wonder why people don't respect them yet? Because they're dumb *****. My goodness not everything revolves around the United States or one race. What a load of crap. To put it into a short perspective, many of you need to realize that we will all always notice the small amount of bad people that do bad things and some of you will take that and label a race or have a generalization. Small amounts of bad things have a bigger impact on our judgment then many good things. You need to realize that all races are equal, all races have their fair share of problems and that is because we're just people in general. The only thing seperating some of us is that some can't accept other opinions, views or beliefs (Religion). No matter what happens in the world, actions will always speak louder then words to the media. We build our own corruption, hatred and grief. It is difficult to get a view across through words on the Internet because some of you will read this all as hostile. If you didn't read any of that correctly and want to label me as a racist or some crap, you're an idiot.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">EXACTLY. Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?</div> ...And I agree with that, I just posted those facts to DEFEND people hating on my religion and Muslims. I mean, had you thought that was wrong - you would've posted something. But since you're not Muslim, it didn't really hurt you. I dont know if you're black or not - but that got your attention. My main point, which it seems like I had lost focus on was what PgBaller just said. That also applies to Muslims, just because a few... doesn't mean WE'RE all like that. And XSV, the main person whose post I had quoted so he could understand what I was trying to say has magically disappeared.
Don't listen to them, man. The media always has a scapegoat for war, and there's nothing you can say or do about it. Forget about it and just enjoy life. The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.-Martin Luther King, Jr. There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action. -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">EXACTLY. Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?</div> Give me a break. How long can you give that excuse. Jews are probably the most persecuted race on the face of the earth....and for centuries. That dosen't give them the right to do whatever they want and blame society.
<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Give me a break. How long can you give that excuse. Jews are probably the most persecuted race on the face of the earth....and for centuries. That dosen't give them the right to do whatever they want and blame society.</div> Who's saying black people should be allowed to do whatever they want and then blame society? You also don't seem to get it. Not all black people are criminals, the majority aren't criminals, but you and Pakman want to prejudge an entire race based on a few jackasses. Give yourself a break.
And its not like this is some sort of contest. You can't generalize an entire race, entire generations, and entire communities, and then expect them to follow historical patterns. When has that ever happened?
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is fucking pathetic. You people are imbeciles.</div> You watch your mouth before I saw your tree in half with you in it.
^lol, I'm confused. <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And its not like this is some sort of contest. You can't generalize an entire race, entire generations, and entire communities, and then expect them to follow historical patterns. When has that ever happened?</div> I totally agree, every human being is distinct, and each person has control over their own actions, and each person has their own circumstances and has had bad things happen to them, and have differing levels of wealth, different types of people around them, etc. On the only exception to this rule, The French always lose in wars: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">- Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at ths time in history, a Roman -ed.] - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted. - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians. - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots - Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her. - War of Revolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux. - The Dutch War - Tied - War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power. - War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since. - American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting." - French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.</div> The article continues with more battle information. http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You watch your mouth before I saw your tree in half with you in it.</div> nowai. i sorry shape.
Personally I have great respect for thsoe in the Muslim community. I am reading an english translated version of the Qur'an and am attempting to learn Arabic so I can get a better grasp on things. The culture just seems really interesting to me. Sucks though that the extremists get more attention than those who follow the word of the Qur'an as it should be. Fact is that the faction of extremists has only grown since America's war and younger and younger kids are being raised exposed to this which makes it easier for these extremists to recruit based on a "Get America out" philosophy. Sure there is only a small portion of people that are extremists compared with those who aren't, but with it growing everyday I wouldn't be surprised if it gained really respectable numbers.
