<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">LAKERS: Buss is said to be shocked after a meeting with his All-Star guard in Spain. By BRODERICK TURNER The Press-Enterprise Disgruntled Lakers guard Kobe Bryant met with Lakers owner Jerry Buss on Friday in Barcelona, Spain, and reiterated his demand to be traded, two league sources said. Buss was shocked by Bryant's continued and defiant stance, the sources said, and left the meeting unsure if he would give in to Bryant's demands or if he would keep the All-Star, knowing it'll be "impossible" to get equal value in return. The Lakers confirmed Friday night that Bryant and Buss did meet. Bryant was in Barcelona on vacation, and Buss was on vacation in China before going to London and then to Barcelona. Bryant is the only NBA player with a no-trade clause in his contract. He had said he would waive that clause. But he could make a trade more difficult because he has a three-team wish list, the sources said. Two of the teams are the Chicago Bulls and New York Knicks. One report had the Lakers hoping to acquire Bulls center Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Chicago's No. 1 draft pick (9) for Bryant. But the sources said every team, including the Bulls, knows the Lakers will try to "gut" a team in order to get as much value as possible for Bryant. Bryant could also veto a trade if he thinks the team has to give up too many players, which, the sources said, could also make a trade more difficult. </div> http://www.pe.com/sports/breakout/stories/...16.3dccb4a.html
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One report had the Lakers hoping to acquire Bulls center Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Chicago's No. 1 draft pick (9) for Bryant.</div> LOL WTF? Hinrich Kobe noch Thomas ?????? Hawes????? I see the trade working of we slide Noch in for deng so we send Noch Wallace Gordon. Then we would be Hinrich Bryant Deng that 3 would own the east.
<div class="quote_poster">michiganave17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LOL WTF? Hinrich Kobe noch Thomas ?????? Hawes????? I see the trade working of we slide Noch in for deng so we send Noch Wallace Gordon. Then we would be Hinrich Bryant Deng that 3 would own the east.</div> Yeah, I definitely don't see the Bulls sending Wallace, Gordon, Deng, all for Kobe... and obviously the Lakers will have to go down in their demands,as they are a team that would need to move their superstar. Hopefully the Bulls could send some sorta package of... Brown, Thomas, Gordon, Nocioni, and Duhon or something along the lines of that... to keep Hinrich, Deng, and Wallace. Not sure how the salaries would look though for a deal like that. That would also include a S&T for Brown, which is not likely... since he would have to agree going to the Lakers.
From Kobe's standpoint I don't think he would want this team to give up so much if he were to come here. He knows Wallace, sign and trade with Gordon and the ninth pick is plenty enough even though it doesn't equal his value to the Lakers organization. I don't think this is a realistic option for the Bulls anyway. Those big-time player trade demands are always tough and you won't get what you deserve in the end for what you're giving up. I also don't get how so many of you are down on Nocioni. Eventually it becomes annoying to see fans give up on their own players when they've been suffering due to severe injury.
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol Bulls wouldn't even send Wallace and Gordon for Kobe let alone Deng as well.</div> Your kidding yourself. Don't forget, this guy is coming of seasons of 35 PPG and 31 PPG. He's not slowing down anytime soon.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">From Kobe's standpoint I don't think he would want this team to give up so much if he were to come here. He knows Wallace, sign and trade with Gordon and the ninth pick is plenty enough even though it doesn't equal his value to the Lakers organization. I don't think this is a realistic option for the Bulls anyway. Those big-time player trade demands are always tough and you won't get what you deserve in the end for what you're giving up. I also don't get how so many of you are down on Nocioni. Eventually it becomes annoying to see fans give up on their own players when they've been suffering due to severe injury.</div> I'd definitely say the Bulls would be getting the better deal here, if they do not need to give up two of their three young core players (Hinrich, Gordon, Deng), which obviously the Lakers are going to be aiming for, and Ben Wallace. I'd be all for letting Wallace go... if the Bulls can go out and sign a big like Magloire.
<div class="quote_poster">Eternal Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'd definitely say the Bulls would be getting the better deal here, if they do not need to give up two of their three young core players (Hinrich, Gordon, Deng), which obviously the Lakers are going to be aiming for, and Ben Wallace. I'd be all for letting Wallace go... if the Bulls can go out and sign a big like Magloire.</div> I never put down that the Bulls wouldn't be getting the better deal. I don't know how anyone wouldn't think the Bulls got a better deal on what I just proposed would be right. If they had to give up Wallace, Gordon and the ninth pick. Considering that the money has to nearly match, signing and trading Gordon long-term for the Lakers and adding Wallace would nearly equal Bryant's contract. I just don't see the Lakers doing that in hopes of gutting a franchise to death in the process. They'd likely want Gordon, Deng, Nocioni, Duhon and the first rounder if not more and I say screw that if it coems to this. I wouldn't even be willing to give up more then what has been proposed because the man (Bryant) wants to be traded to a team that can win now and keep it going for years. With Bryant here, Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni, Thomas, Sefolosha and company this team would be a heart attack for other teams. I'm just not too keen on giving up Wallace or Gordon in general, though I would for Bryant. Just that people need to realize that we can't give up Wallace and Nocioni together and Nocioni's contract if added solely with Gordon wouldn't match Bryant's. The Lakers wouldn't accept Brown. If we were to add Gordon and Nocioni with the pick we'd also have to give up Duhon and Deng likely. There's no way that is going to happen. If we do give up Wallace, Deng has drastically improved his rebounding attributes and has shown he can be a 20/10 guy soon. However, we would still need a center otherwise this team will have a big hole in the middle. Even in Jordan's era we needed Longley or Cartwright there in the middle for assistance.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">From Kobe's standpoint I don't think he would want this team to give up so much if he were to come here. He knows Wallace, sign and trade with Gordon and the ninth pick is plenty enough even though it doesn't equal his value to the Lakers organization. I don't think this is a realistic option for the Bulls anyway. Those big-time player trade demands are always tough and you won't get what you deserve in the end for what you're giving up. I also don't get how so many of you are down on Nocioni. Eventually it becomes annoying to see fans give up on their own players when they've been suffering due to severe injury.</div> <div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I never put down that the Bulls wouldn't be getting the better deal. I don't know how anyone wouldn't think the Bulls got a better deal on what I just proposed would be right. If they had to give up Wallace, Gordon and the ninth pick. Considering that the money has to nearly match, signing and trading Gordon long-term for the Lakers and adding Wallace would nearly equal Bryant's contract. I just don't see the Lakers doing that in hopes of gutting a franchise to death in the process. They'd likely want Gordon, Deng, Nocioni, Duhon and the first rounder if not more and I say screw that if it coems to this. I wouldn't even be willing to give up more then what has been proposed because the man (Bryant) wants to be traded to a team that can win now and keep it going for years. With Bryant here, Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni, Thomas, Sefolosha and company this team would be a heart attack for other teams. I'm just not too keen on giving up Wallace or Gordon in general, though I would for Bryant. Just that people need to realize that we can't give up Wallace and Nocioni together and Nocioni's contract if added solely with Gordon wouldn't match Bryant's. The Lakers wouldn't accept Brown. If we were to add Gordon and Nocioni with the pick we'd also have to give up Duhon and Deng likely. There's no way that is going to happen. If we do give up Wallace, Deng has drastically improved his rebounding attributes and has shown he can be a 20/10 guy soon. However, we would still need a center otherwise this team will have a big hole in the middle. Even in Jordan's era we needed Longley or Cartwright there in the middle for assistance.</div> Sorry, I was just talking in general, accidently quoted you. =P I doubt the Bulls would get rid of Wallace... or that Kobe would allow a trade to happen where the Bulls got rid of him. He wants an inside presence be it for defensive or offensive purposes.
<div class="quote_poster">Ed! Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'd never gut this team for Kobe.</div> im with u
<div class="quote_poster">Ed! Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">**** that, I'd never gut this team for Kobe.</div> I don't believe the Bulls would be gutting their team out for Kobe if they did get him. The Lakers are the team with little trade leverage, so I think a trade of something like: Ben Gordon Resigned Nocioni Resigned PJ Brown Duhon or #9 pick for Kobe would be one of the best deals the Lakers would probably get. Their obviously not going to get fair value for Kobe.
^ I would do something like that, but anything involving 2/3 of our big 3, Big Ben (who we need if we want to contend with Kobe immediately), and the #9 is ridiculous.
<div class="quote_poster">Eternal Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't believe the Bulls would be gutting their team out for Kobe if they did get him. The Lakers are the team with little trade leverage, so I think a trade of something like: Ben Gordon Resigned Nocioni Resigned PJ Brown Duhon or #9 pick for Kobe would be one of the best deals the Lakers would probably get. Their obviously not going to get fair value for Kobe.</div> Re-read this. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">people need to realize that we can't give up Wallace and Nocioni together and Nocioni's contract if added solely with Gordon wouldn't match Bryant's.</div> Meaning if he were to be re-signed, it still wouldn't match. P.J. wouldn't help the Lakers and a re-signed contract from him wouldn't be worth anywhere near what it is now.
In a league where there are many ALL STARS. Lakers, IMO are asking for WAY TOO much. I dont care if Kobe is the best player, but he isn't THAT much better than other players.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Re-read this. Meaning if he were to be re-signed, it still wouldn't match. P.J. wouldn't help the Lakers and a re-signed contract from him wouldn't be worth anywhere near what it is now.</div> EDIT: Ah, I misread, Noc + Gordon won't match. Gotcha. I thought you meant Wallace/Noc wouldn't match.
kobe makes 17 mil, not a 100. you send re-signed noci, gordan and resigned PJ or re-signed sweetney then it would work, i say that would be pretty good, your only giving up one or two starters for kobe bryant, you would easily be top of the east with that team. hinrich kobe deng thomas big ben you guys would definatly kill the league with that team.
Well, if the trade was as you described and all the Bulls had to give up was Sweetney, PJ Brown and Gordon, I think they would do it. However the trade that people are responding to is Gordon, Deng, and Ben Wallace.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Re-read this. Meaning if he were to be re-signed, it still wouldn't match. P.J. wouldn't help the Lakers and a re-signed contract from him wouldn't be worth anywhere near what it is now.</div> That's why I had something along the lines of that. I guess Wallace would have to be in the trade though.
