Remember we are talking about Kobe Bryant he is undoubtedly the current best proven player in the NBA. Chicago is prob one of the few teams that can even discuss a trade for a player the caliber of Bryant a guaranteed all star for years to come and a proven leader. In my opinion Anything that doesnt involve atleast 2 of the three of the so-called "big 3" for Kobe Bryant is out of the question. The reason the Bulls lost in not because of talent but becuase of veteran leadership KObe would immediately fill that void. The whole point of trading players is to win an NBA championship not to stock up on potential. Kobe Bryant is in his prime (I actually believe he will plateau within the next three years) and he would instantly guarantee Chicago a trip to the finals atleast an appearance probably a championship and return the Bulls to their dynasty days of old. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to willing to make a sacrifice for a deal to get done in any business obviuosly both sides feel they are giving up too much and not getting enough in return this is usually a sign that the deal is fair for both sides... I honestly dont think anything the Bulls have is fair for Kobe but if push came to shove the LAkers should demand for atleast Deng, Gordon, and either Wallace, the 9nth pick, or Nocioni.
I really doubt the Bulls trade Deng. They want him to be the sidekick and really love him. I was thinking of a deal such as Ben, Gordon, Thomas, #9 and possibly Noicioni(Sign and Trade) and/or their pick for next year. The Lakers get a young core to play alongside Bynum and rebuild while the Bulls will be contenders keeping Hinrich and Deng, but without a true big guy. Remember if Kobe demands being out(who knows if he changes his mind tomorrow) the Lakers don't have any leverage at all. That might be quite a bit to trade since you trade Tyrus and Ben, but contracts likely won't work out, maybe you guys could get Kwame or Mihm or someone else in the deal or go after someone like Magloire with your MLE. Bulls would be stupid to trade 2 out of their big 3 for Kobe, especially when the Lakers don't have the leverage.
The Lakers dont need leverage trading Kobe is not of the utmost importance the team can wait and get more for him next year albeit he will be disgruntled... I don't care I say we tank the season and get the #1 pick then trade Kobe to get fair market value no DENG = no KOBE IMO. KOBE>BABY BULLS
<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers dont need leverage trading Kobe</div> They don't? Kobe's in the drivers seat, he wont goto a team that has a bunch of scrubs left because the Lakers forced them to gut. Then we'd just be, uh, the Lakers. He wants to WIN, not just move.
Kobe can disprove trades if he wants to. He has a clause in his contract that allows him to stop any trades. Consequently Kobe won't be going to any teams for "fair market value" because as you said bruin, Kobe is worth pretty much half of the teams talent. There is no way Kobe approves a trade where the team has to cull its roster to fit him in.
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">kobe makes 17 mil, not a 100. you send re-signed noci, gordan and resigned PJ or re-signed sweetney then it would work, i say that would be pretty good, your only giving up one or two starters for kobe bryant, you would easily be top of the east with that team. hinrich kobe deng thomas big ben you guys would definatly kill the league with that team.</div> Where in the World did anyone write that he makes 100 million? That over emphesis is rediculous. Nocioni and Gordon's new contracts will likely not match Bryant's. If we get rid of Nocioni what is our bench made up of? On-again-off-again Chris Duhon and young Sefolosha? I don't think so. Many of the other guys will be gone and right now we don't know if we'll be able to sign any solid bench talent. Nocioni is far more inportant to this club then you and many others think, which is why he's so coveted by other teams in the league. He's dedicated and is by far the most adaptable player we have on this team. Only Sefolosha can be more adaptable due to his skill and length, but he's going to take time.
<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers dont need leverage trading Kobe is not of the utmost importance the team can wait and get more for him next year albeit he will be disgruntled... I don't care I say we tank the season and get the #1 pick then trade Kobe to get fair market value no DENG = no KOBE IMO. KOBE>BABY BULLS</div> Do you really think you will get better value for Kobe after next season when he's going to be close to opting out rather than now? This is the best time to trade Kobe. The longer it goes on, the less value you will get for him. Bulls will not gut the team and give up Deng for Kobe, it defeats the purpose of Kobe going to a team with a chance to win. Kobe is better than any of those 3, but I doubt the Bulls give up Hinrich or Deng in any deal. They have enough talent that would be tempting for the Lakers outside of those 2.
If we acquired Kobe, trading Ben Gordon wouldn't be a big deal. I would be willing to throw in Nocioni (sign and trade), our pick, and some fillers (to make the contracts match). However, I wouldn't trade Gordon, Deng, Wallace, and the ninth pick for him thats way to much.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Do you really think you will get better value for Kobe after next season when he's going to be close to opting out rather than now? This is the best time to trade Kobe. The longer it goes on, the less value you will get for him. Bulls will not gut the team and give up Deng for Kobe, it defeats the purpose of Kobe going to a team with a chance to win. Kobe is better than any of those 3, but I doubt the Bulls give up Hinrich or Deng in any deal. They have enough talent that would be tempting for the Lakers outside of those 2.</div> Giving up Luol Deng and Ben Gordon isnt necessarily gutting the team the Lakers made the playoffs with KObe and basically role players at best around him the BUlls will still have a solid chore of players surrounding him and if KObe is adamant about being traded Im sure he knows he is worth Deng and Gordon and would "allow" for a trade to get done even if it sacrificed two of the better players on that team.
I heard from a buddy of mine this afternoon back home that the Lakers would "settle for" Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Andr?s Nocioni, Chris Duhon and the ninth pick for Kobe Bryant. Take that as you will, but he told me he read it in the Times sports section. I think that's a crap trade and would never accept something like that.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I heard from a buddy of mine this afternoon back home that the Lakers would "settle for" Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Andr?s Nocioni, Chris Duhon and the ninth pick for Kobe Bryant. Take that as you will, but he told me he read it in the Times sports section. I think that's a crap trade and would never accept something like that.</div> If we trade both Hinirich and Duhon who takes over the starting point guard spot? Thabo? I agree with you that is way too much for my liking man.
It makes no sense for either team to do that one. We don't need two point guards we have Jordan Farmar.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lakers star Kobe Bryant is not backing off his trade demand, according to published reports Saturday out of Los Angeles, and the Bulls are one of three teams he reportedly would agree to join. Bryant met with Lakers owner Jerry Buss on Friday in Barcelona, Spain, where Bryant was vacationing, and reiterated his demand to be traded, according to the Los Angeles Times and the (Riverside) Press-Enterprise. Sources say the Bulls are monitoring the situation but don't believe the Lakers will trade Bryant, who has four years and $88.6 million left on the seven-year, $136.4 million contract he signed as a free agent in 2004. Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and general manager John Paxson flew to Los Angeles at that time to persuade Bryant to sign with the Bulls. Bryant told them he liked the Bulls and could see himself playing for them. The Times said Lakers sources ''vehemently insisted'' there were no plans to trade Bryant, a nine-time All-Star. But Bryant again voiced ''concerns about the direction'' of the Lakers and told Buss he still wants out. The Press-Enterprise reported Bryant is the only NBA player with a no-trade clause and that he had said he would waive that clause for a deal with one of the teams on his three-team wish list, which reportedly includes the Bulls and New York Knicks.</div> Source: Sun Times I'm going to go ahead and rename this thread "The Official Kobe to Chicago Rumor Thread" so that we can keep all the information together and prevent the forum from becoming cluttered with Kobe topics.
I think the only KObe topic right now is his little tantrum to get traded... If he wants to go to Chicago he's going to pass that Jordan statue outside the arena does he think one day there will be one of him? NO.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I heard from a buddy of mine this afternoon back home that the Lakers would "settle for" Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Andr?s Nocioni, Chris Duhon and the ninth pick for Kobe Bryant. Take that as you will, but he told me he read it in the Times sports section. I think that's a crap trade and would never accept something like that.</div> Yeah, acquiring Kobe is one thing, but if it leaves us with a **** roster afterwards then it's not worth it at all. <div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think the only KObe topic right now is his little tantrum to get traded... If he wants to go to Chicago he's going to pass that Jordan statue outside the arena does he think one day there will be one of him? NO.</div> Unless he enters the way the fans do, he won't pass the Jordan statue. The players have their own parking lot.
<div class="quote_poster">Ed! Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, acquiring Kobe is one thing, but if it leaves us with a **** roster afterwards then it's not worth it at all.</div> <div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think the only KObe topic right now is his little tantrum to get traded... If he wants to go to Chicago he's going to pass that Jordan statue outside the arena does he think one day there will be one of him? NO.</div> It's in the back... I've never passed it... The players have their own parking lot, too. He'll only pass it if he really wants to see it.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep what can keep now and go for a Power Forward with what we can't afford to hold onto. We all know we can't have Ben Gordon and Luol Deng on the same team if we're going to go for a post player that can get the job done. We wouldn't miss Gordon if we can have that post player replicate his scoring numbers, plus remember that Hinrich, Nocioni and Deng would be there for scoring support. All of those guys are continuing to improve, Deng and Nocioni more-so by numbers. Also note that Deng is already close to being a 20/10 player. We can't afford to get rid of our top bench players and a top scoring option atm for a single player. I like the idea of: C - Ben Wallace PF - (place name here) SF - Luol Deng SG - Thabo Sefolosha PG - Kirk Hinrich 6 - Andr?s Nocioni 7 - Tyrus Thomas We have some other guys who will stick around and the rest can be done through the draft or trading. I'd like to keep Duhon as our back-up PG to Hinrich and used in a rotation with Thabo. However, if he can be used as support in a trade then go for it. We could really use a big guard who can play the PG and SG positions.
For the deal to work we have to trade BG. because BG wont be happy with playing behind Kobe (unless pax can convince him he will step in for Kobe after his retirement). Since Pax is considering chemistry; in this trade Know that BG will be gone. BG 5million We know Kobe wants to play along side Deng. Believe it or not kobe studies all of the good players game. He looks for moves to add to his arsenal. So in seeing dengs game he knows that Deng is like Shawn marion; in the fact that neither need the ball to score 20 points. so this means he will still be able to drop his 30 also. We know he also wants play along side a good PG Hinrich. He knows that the combined D of himself Hinrich and deng will be to much for most teams to handle. Plus either guy can drop 25 on any given night. IMO the bulls need not worry about a bench at this point. We have all summer and all year to sign guys to fill out the roster. If im Pax im trying to maintain the best starting lineup possible because role players are easily aquired. Good players are hard to come by. Players that are available if im pax Gordon 5mil Noch im guessing will re-sign for 7.5 - 8mil Duhon 3.2mil Sweetney 3.6mil Victor 2mil Griff 1.5 9pick ? Maybe’s Thabo 2mil Wallace 16mil Players unavailable Hinrich Deng Thomas But here are a few deals that would work financially. these are all strictly numbers trades they may not make any sense to from a team concept but there is still possibility. Wallace and Noch for Bryant Gordon and Wallace for Bryant Noch, Gordon, Duhon and Sweetney or Victor for Bryant Im sick of typing LOL!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Gordon <u>5mil</u> Noch im guessing will re-sign for 7.5 - 8mil</div> Are you kidding? Dude, from reports in Chicago, people have all been hearing Jiggetts and Robinson on Gordon re-signing for 9 to 11 million per year and Nocioni on 5.5 or 6 all likely. Reports on Tribune Live on CSN back home from what I've learned of have been going on about these numbers.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are you kidding? Dude, from reports in Chicago, people have all been hearing Jiggetts and Robinson on Gordon re-signing for 9 to 11 million per year and Nocioni on 5.5 or 6 all likely. Reports on Tribune Live on CSN back home from what I've learned of have been going on about these numbers.</div> next year Gordon is making 5 million. hes not a free agent in any form. he can resign for more money after this upcoming season. This isnt reports I looked it up officially before I posted. and for Noches salary; are you forgetting hes a free agent? hes a starting SF for most teams in the league. and my thought is he will get the amount stated.
