Send Kobe to Chicago

If Kobe is demanding a trade and as he stated there's nothing the Lakers can do to change his mind then send him packing to the windy city. Chicago has some really young promising talent and it is one of the three destinations he narrowed his interests in he said "do the right thing" and I believe Chicago would make both sides happy. Luol Deng, Ben Godon, and either Andres Nocioni, the ninth pick, or Ben Wallace would have to be included for anything involving Kobe. This would give us some really good players to develop and basically rebuild for the future. Kobe wants no part of that rebuilding process but it looks like Jerry Buss has already decided that's what he wants to do by not allowing Bynum to be traded and by refusing to sign a veteran in the caliner of Bryantl. I say this proposed Chicago trade would make me happya and Id be looking forward to seeing that game between the Bulls and Lakers.

 

I actually think that the rumoured Chicago deals are probably the best trades I've heard for the Lakers.

Gordon, Deng, and PJ Brown, (maybe throw in the First rounder) would be an even trade for both probably. Although it seems the Bulls are reluctant to trade Deng.

 

The Bulls will not trade both Gordon and Deng let alone add in Ben Wallace in a package for Kobe. It would likely be either Gordon or Deng (not even sure if they would give up Deng) and a combination of other players not including Wallace, Deng, and Hinrich.

 

^^ Well my trade didn't include Ben Wallace, just because the Lakers have a lot of big man depth (Kwame, Bynum, Odom, Turiaf, and maybe Mihm)

 

Lakers need a point guard and a versatile guard who can rebound those needs clearly point to Gordon and Deng throw some fillers to make it work and the deal will get done before next week's draft it gives the Lakers more flexibility to do more things come draft day.

 

If the Lakers can somehow get Gordon, Nocioni and Duhon along with the 9th pick I think this would actually improve our team more than hurt us by trading Kobe. It gives us three potential starters to go along with Odom and young Andrew Bynum. I don't believe the Bulls would be willing to give up that much for Kobe, but if we have to throw in this years draft pick and a future as well it might be a possibility. If that were the case, I'd say do it now.

C: Andrew Bynum / Kwame Brown
PF: Lamar Odom / Roni Turiaf
SF: Andres Nocioni / Vlad Radmanovic
SG: Ben Gordon / Maurice Evans
PG: F/A signee/ Chris Duhon / Jordan Farmar

That would not only be a very good, young starting lineup but leaves us with a very strong bench as well. It would be a very inexperienced team that may take some time to develop, but also has a very bright future. Defense would probably be atrocious for the time being, but that team would definitely put points on the board. I also believe Odom is the perfect leader for a young and developing team, as he was when with the Heat.

DO IT MITCH!! you owe us.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Phreeze Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If the Lakers can somehow get Gordon, Nocioni and Duhon along with the 9th pick I think this would actually improve our team more than hurt us by trading Kobe. It gives us three potential starters to go along with Odom and young Andrew Bynum. I don't believe the Bulls would be willing to give up that much for Kobe, but if we have to throw in this years draft pick and a future as well it might be a possibility. If that were the case, I'd say do it now.

C: Andrew Bynum / Kwame Brown
PF: Lamar Odom / Roni Turiaf
SF: Andres Nocioni / Vlad Radmanovic
SG: Ben Gordon / Maurice Evans
PG: F/A signee/ Chris Duhon / Jordan Farmar

That would not only be a very good, young starting lineup but leaves us with a very strong bench as well. It would be a very inexperienced team that may take some time to develop, but also has a very bright future. Defense would probably be atrocious for the time being, but that team would definitely put points on the board. I also believe Odom is the perfect leader for a young and developing team, as he was when with the Heat.

DO IT MITCH!! you owe us.</div>
That lineup will not make the playoff for several years in the WEST. The franchise future will rely on the shoulder of Andrew Bynum. And the sad part is I don't think Bynum will be a super star in this league. He doesn't have that missing thing, the desire to win.

The one thing the Lakers miss the most from Kobe is his market value. You won't see the Lakers top in merchandise sales, games on national tv will decrease, and lakers game rating will drop. So yes it hurts the Lakers if they decide to trade Kobe. Of course, thing can change if this new lineup can bring more winning games which I highly doubt, especially when they are in the western conference. As for the Bulls, with Kobe, Ben, Kirk, Deng, they're definitely a strong contender in the East.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Phreeze Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If the Lakers can somehow get Gordon, Nocioni and Duhon along with the 9th pick I think this would actually improve our team more than hurt us by trading Kobe. It gives us three potential starters to go along with Odom and young Andrew Bynum. I don't believe the Bulls would be willing to give up that much for Kobe, but if we have to throw in this years draft pick and a future as well it might be a possibility. If that were the case, I'd say do it now.

C: Andrew Bynum / Kwame Brown
PF: Lamar Odom / Roni Turiaf
SF: Andres Nocioni / Vlad Radmanovic
SG: Ben Gordon / Maurice Evans
PG: F/A signee/ Chris Duhon / Jordan Farmar

That would not only be a very good, young starting lineup but leaves us with a very strong bench as well. It would be a very inexperienced team that may take some time to develop, but also has a very bright future. Defense would probably be atrocious for the time being, but that team would definitely put points on the board. I also believe Odom is the perfect leader for a young and developing team, as he was when with the Heat.

DO IT MITCH!! you owe us.</div>

You're really overrating that roster, by the time Bynum comes into his own, Lamar will probably be gone anyway. And you don't know what you'll get out of Jordan Farmar, the only true PG in that scenario.

I feel the Lakers are only a couple of pieces away from a title. The Lakers were on pace for a 50-55 win season before injuries took their toll.

 

Shaq left Kobe in LA and replaced him with this guy named Dwyane Wade.
Kobe will leave LA (around the same age Shaq left) and replace Shaq with this guy named Eddy Curry.

It makes too much sense! It will happen.

 

^^ Wow do you really think that Kobe is going to leave the Lakers to a worse team in NY. You better keep on dreaming

 

<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're really overrating that roster, by the time Bynum comes into his own, Lamar will probably be gone anyway. And you don't know what you'll get out of Jordan Farmar, the only true PG in that scenario.

I feel the Lakers are only a couple of pieces away from a title. The Lakers were on pace for a 50-55 win season before injuries took their toll.</div>

I'm not overrating that roster at all. We have a full MLE to sign a PG, which should at least solidify that position enough along with Duhon and Farmar. Bynum may still be a year or two away, but he is still more of a serviceable center than most teams have to offer.

The Lakers did start last season strong and did look like an elite team, however you cannot forget that they had a very home-heavy schedule early in the season and they were playing at their highest level of ball capable. Unless we pulled off a steal trade for a big man while only trading Bynum and Kwame, I do not see us improving enough to reach the elite level in the west. Gasol, KG and Jermaine will all cost the Lakers much more than those two, which would mean we have to include Odom. Giving up our top three interior players for one superstar will not be enough to compensate what we are losing. That is why Artest is probably the only reasonable option we have to add without losing much of our current core.

In a perfect world of course I'd like to see the Lakers keeping Kobe and Odom while adding another superstar talent, however we simply do not have the trading pieces to make that possible. We have a huge hole in our PG position which could possibly be patched up with the MLE, but once that is spent we do not have many options for improvement. Thus, if Kobe is not happy, we may need to move on. If there is any Laker fan that wishes we could make it to the top while Keeping our current core, it is me. Only time will tell whether that will be possible.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Bacon Smeller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Wow do you really think that Kobe is going to leave the Lakers to a worse team in NY. You better keep on dreaming</div>

Umh he has has them on the top 3 list doesn't he?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's summarize a lot of reason why Kobe will want New York more than any team on the league:

Money: No team in the league has more, can offer more, have a bigger exposure than New York. New York is the media center, not Holywood. TV and print media advertising > movies.

Legacy: We have a very short list of top players. Willis Reed and Patrick Ewing are the top Knicks, with a very distant Walt Frazier at third. Kobe comes here, he's automatically right there at the top. He just need one ring and depending on how he gets it, he might top Reed for that spot.

Image: Kobe is the biggest villain in the NBA right now. Everyone wants to find fault with this guy. But if he moves here, he instantly gets the media on his side even if they take pot shots at him, they still want him to succed if he's here.

Coach: Let's start with the coach. Kobe will be calling the shots here. Isiah is a player's coach. He'll never be a drill sargent type and right now, it looks like he's the only coach in the NBA who's like this. If you're a superstar with a huge ego, there's no other player coach around.

Teammates: Eddie Curry will never be a Captain. He's character isn't one. Steph is willing to play second banana to Kobe in this point of his career. And since we're loaded in roleplayers at all the other position, no trade scenario can devastate us when trading for a superstar. Hell, even after this trade, we can still go after Ron Artest. That's how deep we are right now.</div>

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No way do I make this deal, if the Lakers trade Kobe Bryant they better get an All-Star in return, preferably one who can play in the post.

Chris Duhon is a nice backup, but not capable of being a starting point guard. I like Nocioni a lot, but I'm not a strong believer of Ben Gordon. He's undersized for SG, and is a liability on defense. Unless the Lakers have a shot blocker in the paint, Gordon will get picked on every night.

If the Lakers trade Kobe Bryant, you also have to factor in PJax's future with the team. He came back to win with Kobe, and if Kobe is traded, I don't expect PJax to return next season either.

What system do we run if PJax doesn't return? Depending on that system, the Lakers should try to acquire players who will fit into specific roles to make that system successful.</div>

If Kobe were to be traded I would expect Jackson to be out after the next season as well. I definitely am not sold on Gordon nor do I really even like his game, but he will fill a serviceable scoring guard role for the time being. If we were able to aquire the 9th pick as well we should be able to draft a solid big man to help our weak defensive front court. I'm also a big fan of Nocioni so I might be a little biased on this trade because of that, but in no way would Duhon be our starting PG. That's where our MLE will come into play, which is currently one of our problems anyway. That would at least give us a little depth in that position.

Because of the trade clause Kobe owns I don't think we'll be able to aquire an allstar in return for him. The teams that he would be willing to go to are limited, and if another team has to give up an allstar in return for Kobe I don't see him accepting that trade. This is exactly why trading Kobe would be very difficult thus probably will leave us with the bad end of the deal.

Hopefully everything works out and we keep Kobe and Lamar while aquiring the help we need, however I am suspect of the Laker management pulling it off as well. I just don't see any other team out there that could offer us a better package while still meeting Kobe's damn trade clause terms.

 

The chicago trades would work for BOTH Chicago and LA

Offer 1:
Kobe for Gordon Deng Nocioni

Lakers: Farmar, Gordon, Deng, Odom, Kwame/Bynum
Chicago: Hinrich, Kobe, Sefolosha, B. Wallace, Yi Jian Lian

Offer 2:
Kobe for Gordon, Nocioni, sefolosha and #9 pick (guaranteed that it would be YI which the bulls should find a way to)

Lakers: Farmar, Gordon, Nocioni, Odom, Yi
Chicago: Hinrich, Kobe, Deng, Whoever, b. Wallace

Both were already offered for Kobe

 

I hope this doesn?t sound like bias, but I think the Knicks actually have a better deal on the table for Kobe Bryant. The only real talent I see available is Ben Gordon and as was pointed out, he?s just a one-dimensional scorer. Don?t get me wrong, Nocioni is a nice player and all, but he?s turning 28 by the start of next season. Isn?t that contrary to the youth movement the Lakers are heading in? Wallace, while an all-star and former Defensive Player of the Year, is turning 33 by the start of next season and is do a whopping $44 million. That wouldn?t make sense from the Lakers standpoint. If there was a way to acquire Deng, then the deal would be more sensible. They do have the ninth pick in the draft though, which is also an attractive asset.

The Knicks are willing to give up anything but Eddy Curry in the deal. So, a package from them might look something like Steve Francis, Nate Robinson, Channing Frye, and David Lee. Steve Francis is expiring in two years and will remove $17 million off the cap. This is convenient since Lamar Odom?s $14.5 million deal is expiring and Andrew Bynum is as well. The talent sent back to the Lakers?David Lee, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson?outweighs the Bulls? in my opinion since Ben Gordon is the only real ?talent? I see coming back and he alone is not better than the Knicks class of 2005.

So at the end of the day, the Knicks give more talented young players and an expiring contract. While the Bulls could assemble a better package than the Knicks, they are being a bit too stingy with what they have.

 

<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq left Kobe in LA and replaced him with this guy named Dwyane Wade.
Kobe will leave LA (around the same age Shaq left) and replace Shaq with this guy named Eddy Curry.

It makes too much sense! It will happen.</div>You're crazy. I've said this a trillion times now. Why in the hell is Kobe going to go from LA, where the situation COULD get better, to New York? He worsens his chances of winning now by doing that. The Knicks would have to gut their roster of tons of key players, specifically David Lee, Crawford and Channing Frye. Then they're going to have to throw in at least a couple more players after that, since the salaries aren't even close. When all is said and done, the Knicks will be left with a trio of Marbury/Kobe/Curry and a bunch of scrubs after that. There's NO WAY Kobe is going to go to New York and lose even more than he is now.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're crazy. I've said this a trillion times now. Why in the hell is Kobe going to go from LA, where the situation COULD get better, to New York? He worsens his chances of winning now by doing that. The Knicks would have to gut their roster of tons of key players, specifically David Lee, Crawford and Channing Frye. Then they're going to have to throw in at least a couple more players after that, since the salaries aren't even close. When all is said and done, the Knicks will be left with a trio of Marbury/Kobe/Curry and a bunch of scrubs after that. There's NO WAY Kobe is going to go to New York and lose even more than he is now.</div>

Marbury/Kobe/Curry > Kobe/Odom/Bynum or Kobe/JO. Not to mention it's in the East. I don't really see where he would lose more games in New York with that trio then he would in LA what he currently has or if the JO trade goes down.

 

<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury/Kobe/Curry > Kobe/Odom/Bynum or Kobe/JO. Not to mention it's in the East. I don't really see where he would lose more games in New York with that trio then he would in LA what he currently has or if the JO trade goes down.</div>It may be a better trio but that doesn't mean it will yield wins. Unfortunately, there's only one basketball for all three of those guys, and they all need the ball to be effective. It may be a better trio, but I don't think it'd work. You also have to realize how little they'd have outside of that. I don't care if it is in the East, but for those reasons, I just don't think it'd work. Plus, that trio still doesn't stack up against the likes of the Mavs, Suns, or Spurs.