If KG's not going to Chicago, where could he go? From what I'm hearing -- and at this point it's just a hot rumor -- the Wolves and Boston Celtics talking about a Garnett deal. In this scenario, Boston would send Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff, and change to Minnesota along with the No. 5 pick in the upcoming draft. In exchange, the Celtics would get Garnett. (Front Page Of Hoopshype to Celtic's Blog About Chad Ford Rumor)
With all the KG rumors every year and countless trade scenarios, what are your feelings towards this one? Is this enough for KG? Or should the TWolves demand more? It would only be fitting if KG ends up in Boston. These two teams have practically traded rosters the past few seasons.
That's a horrible trade. The only thing I'd be excited about is green and foye playing together and the #5 pick. Not worth it imo. I just don't see green being a superstar. Plus, Boston wouldn't be good enough to win a title after that trade imo
I can't picture Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett playing together. It wouldn't work. The same way AI and Melo won't work as you will see this next season.,..
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I can't picture Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett playing together. It wouldn't work. The same way AI and Melo won't work as you will see this next season.,..</div> I don't know. KG does not demand the ball at all times and is a great facilitator. This was one of the reasons that I thought A.I. and KG would work. KG's about the team and as long as he gets his 20-10-5, we're all happy. Since the offense doesn't always have to go through him, he'd be able to have more energy throughout the game (instead of now when as soon as he goes to the bench the other team goes on a run) and should be able to capture those stats easily. Wally, Paul, KG....that's your eastern "Big Three". <div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's a horrible trade. The only thing I'd be excited about is green and foye playing together and the #5 pick. Not worth it imo. I just don't see green being a superstar. Plus, Boston wouldn't be good enough to win a title after that trade imo</div> When you look at the Celts blog, they seem to feel like Green is all potential but no substance (or little shown yet). The one that they are big on is Al Jefferson who I guess is the "Brock Lesnar" of the NBA. I know he looked good when we played them. But if we were to get Specer Hawes, who is also an adept post scorer, wouldn't that take care of a need that we've barely ever had (last ones we had were Gary Trent and Reggie Slater who were fan favorites, but just a little short)? Also, I thought they released Telfair last month due to more issues in his personal life. It was funny because one reporter stated that it would only make sense for KG to go there since we've been swapping rosters.
<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know. KG does not demand the ball at all times and is a great facilitator. This was one of the reasons that I thought A.I. and KG would work. KG's about the team and as long as he gets his 20-10-5, we're all happy. Since the offense doesn't always have to go through him, he'd be able to have more energy throughout the game (instead of now when as soon as he goes to the bench the other team goes on a run) and should be able to capture those stats easily. Wally, Paul, KG....that's your eastern "Big Three". When you look at the Celts blog, they seem to feel like Green is all potential but no substance (or little shown yet). The one that they are big on is Al Jefferson who I guess is the "Brock Lesnar" of the NBA. I know he looked good when we played them. But if we were to get Specer Hawes, who is also an adept post scorer, wouldn't that take care of a need that we've barely ever had (last ones we had were Gary Trent and Reggie Slater who were fan favorites, but just a little short)? Also, I thought they released Telfair last month due to more issues in his personal life. It was funny because one reporter stated that it would only make sense for KG to go there since we've been swapping rosters.</div> Well i think they would get out of the east possibly but they would never beat the west imo. As for Al Jefferson, he looks like total crap to me. He hasn't shown me much of anything and always seems to be injured or something. If we do trade KG i want it for pretty much pure potential (picks and young guys) and expiring contracts and i want him to be able to win a title. I really can't think of any team that can do that so i guess we just need to compromise for what's best for KG and hopefully get some expiring contracts and a lot of future picks or something
WOW! 16 and 11 on 51% shooting is crap to you? Jefferson's numbers are almost identical to Dwight Howard's, is he crap too? I can't even believe what I'm reading...
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If we do trade KG i want it for pretty much pure potential (picks and young guys) and expiring contracts and i want him to be able to win a title. </div> At least he'd get a chance. Almost every team in the East is a question mark. The only real absolute is Wade and Shaq won't stink up the court like that again and the Bulls. Think of who else he has to contend with in the East. Pistons (getting older and may loose yet another big part in Billups), Cavs (who luckily made it to the finals due to a good schedule and Pistons choking), and just remember that it has been proven that a sub-500. record can get you in the playoffs. Now.....let's look at the West (and may I remind you they may be getting Durant AND Oden)....there is no leeway in the West and you gotta be running on almost all cylinders to compete, PERIOD. Remember, Pierce is adept at getting teams into the penalty early in games, which always helps your cause and balance some of their lack of talent. But once again, THAT IS A QUALITY BIG THREE to be playing with. I've heard rumblings from some Celts, thinking that Al will blossom into a great player. But others counter with Paul's length of ability to play at a high level. They think that they've gone with the "plan for the future" which keeps them in the cellar and is wasting his (Pierce) time. If they are going to plan for the future, they need to look in another direction and let Paul walk since he's ready to go now and his salary isn't cap friendly. Question. Do you believe that, if we were to get Paul (his contract is lengthy though) it will really show that we are committed to winning NOW? Paul could be a game changer. Kinda like a Ray Allen. But I do liken Pierce to a one Corey Maggette. Corey may not be the best 3 shooter but he does get to the rack and piles up the fouls also. Remember, the Wolves have always been a great foul shooting team, they just don't get there that much. Maybe Maggette is a better option: Minnesota Trade Breakdown Outgoing Troy Hudson 6-1 PG from Southern Illinois 5.9 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 16.4 minutes Rashad McCants 6-4 SG from North Carolina 5.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.0 minutes Incoming Corey Maggette 6-6 SG from Duke 16.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 30.6 minutes Paul Davis 6-10 C from Michigan State 1.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.8 minutes Change in team outlook: +7.6 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and -0.1 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Minnesota and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Minnesota and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. (They wouldn't take Marko back, so that's why he isn't in the picture)
<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">At least he'd get a chance. Almost every team in the East is a question mark. The only real absolute is Wade and Shaq won't stink up the court like that again and the Bulls. Think of who else he has to contend with in the East. Pistons (getting older and may loose yet another big part in Billups), Cavs (who luckily made it to the finals due to a good schedule and Pistons choking), and just remember that it has been proven that a sub-500. record can get you in the playoffs. Now.....let's look at the West (and may I remind you they may be getting Durant AND Oden)....there is no leeway in the West and you gotta be running on almost all cylinders to compete, PERIOD. Remember, Pierce is adept at getting teams into the penalty early in games, which always helps your cause and balance some of their lack of talent. But once again, THAT IS A QUALITY BIG THREE to be playing with. I've heard rumblings from some Celts, thinking that Al will blossom into a great player. But others counter with Paul's length of ability to play at a high level. They think that they've gone with the "plan for the future" which keeps them in the cellar and is wasting his (Pierce) time. If they are going to plan for the future, they need to look in another direction and let Paul walk since he's ready to go now and his salary isn't cap friendly.</div> I have no problem seeing him get out of the east. I want him to win a title though. And the celts with KG will NEVER beat the spurs, suns, mavs, or anyone else that comes out of the west. Maybe they could add another piece as well. I just want him to win a title lol
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The guy is never healthy. I really don't care how well he produces if he isn't on the court.</div> This year he mostly missed games because the team was tanking but he still only missed 13, his rookie year he only missed 9. So in his three year career, he's only had one season in which he's missed significant time due to injury, yet in that season he still played 3/4 of the season. Do you have him confused with somebody else, maybe?
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have no problem seeing him get out of the east. I want him to win a title though. And the celts with KG will NEVER beat the spurs, suns, mavs, or anyone else that comes out of the west. Maybe they could add another piece as well. I just want him to win a title lol</div> You don't think Kevin, Paul, Wally, Delonte, and Gomes could compete with the Tim, Parker, Ginobli, and Bowen? Who does Bruce guard? Zone.....Wally is a career high FGM "SHOOTER" (not driving...he's about .230 ) and we don't have to talk about Paul. KG and Duncan, nuff said. I would that would, at least be a watchable Finals with Superstar flavor. The Celts would make their game more like the Kings of 2002 - 4 with a lot of movement and back screens. Remember, a guy by the name of Baron Davis was caught on mismatches on a certain 7' MVP and gave him fits. Dallas is shell shocked and I don't know what they have planned. Phoenix against the proposed Celtics...can you imagine the fun there. And whomever wins, you know they deserve it and are happy that they finally got it (I'm thinking of still MVP Nash and Garnett).
I really think that the Wolves make out like bandits if this trade goes down. They get two players who can be stars in the league (Green and Jefferson) a high lottery pick. Meanwhile, the Celtics got KG essentially for a year since he has his opt out clause after next season, sure a Pierce/KG duo can be deadly, but looking at the Wolves roster after this trade Foye, Mccants, Green, Jefferson, Craig, etc. The future looks bright for them. They obviously aren't winning with KG so they need to make a change and this is one of the better offers on the table. Not to mention the cap room they get from Theo Ratliff's expiring contract.
This is a great trade for Wolves. Gerald Green, Al Jefferson plus you can get Corey Brewer at no. 5 that is a LOT of talent to go with Randy Foy
<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This year he mostly missed games because the team was tanking but he still only missed 13, his rookie year he only missed 9. So in his three year career, he's only had one season in which he's missed significant time due to injury, yet in that season he still played 3/4 of the season. Do you have him confused with somebody else, maybe?</div> I must because every time i've seen him play he hasn't impressed me and often times not played at all. Maybe i just happen to watch the celtics games where he doesn't play idk because those numbers were very impressive. EDIT: to sabertooth: I guess it wouldn't be all that bad but isn't Wally's knee worse than ever? And talent wise it'd be a great team, but do you think they will have enough time to mesh? Also, delonte west isn't exactly amazing. He puts up nice stats but i wouldn't consider him a solid prototypical pg. Also, who plays the center for that team? Maybe with KG and Pierce on one team they could convince some vets to come via free agency or trade. This is the best trade i've seen so far, I'm just not sure that KG would win a title though. I also find it funny that adding KG to the second worst team in the league makes them a title contender. That just goes to show how amazing he really is and how incopetant the Twolves Front office as well
<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Question. Do you believe that, if we were to get Paul (his contract is lengthy though) it will really show that we are committed to winning NOW? Paul could be a game changer. Kinda like a Ray Allen. But I do liken Pierce to a one Corey Maggette. Corey may not be the best 3 shooter but he does get to the rack and piles up the fouls also. Remember, the Wolves have always been a great foul shooting team, they just don't get there that much. Maybe Maggette is a better option: Minnesota Trade Breakdown Outgoing Troy Hudson 6-1 PG from Southern Illinois 5.9 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 16.4 minutes Rashad McCants 6-4 SG from North Carolina 5.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 15.0 minutes Incoming Corey Maggette 6-6 SG from Duke 16.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 30.6 minutes Paul Davis 6-10 C from Michigan State 1.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.8 minutes Change in team outlook: +7.6 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and -0.1 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Minnesota and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Minnesota and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. (They wouldn't take Marko back, so that's why he isn't in the picture)</div> I would love maggete. If we did this trade then traded RD for a real good pg like bibby or kidd then i could see us getting some damage done with a lineup of Bibby or Kidd or whoever Foye Maggete KG Blount or Hawes I hope
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I guess it wouldn't be all that bad but isn't Wally's knee worse than ever? </div> <div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Also, delonte west isn't exactly amazing. He puts up nice stats but i wouldn't consider him a solid prototypical pg. Also, who plays the center for that team? </div> Don't sleep on West. He has a lot of potential and poise. He's similar to Deron Williams. <div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That just goes to show how amazing he really is and how incopetant the Twolves Front office as well</div> It really is embarrassing. I think the only franchise that has been run worse has been the Knicks. One of the main issues is this, chances are it won't change. Taylor loves McHale and McHale won't want to admit that something is over his head. So I don't see a scenario where McHale leaves. He could at least get a consultant like Kiki or J. West. I honestly believe that if we had the 1st pick in the draft that we'd trade it away. They are just that inept. Hurts my feelings. <div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Bibby or Kidd or whoever Foye Maggete KG Blount or Hawes I hope</div> So you would rather play Foye as a SG instead of the point?
<div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Don't sleep on West. He has a lot of potential and poise. He's similar to Deron Williams.</div> Thats what i pictured him as but after 3 years in the league, potential starts to turn into just doesn't have it in my mind. He may turn it around, but the celtics are in the finals i wouldn't wanna be risking it on a potential guy, i'd want someone solid and experienced. I would love for him to prove me wrong if this trrade did go down though. Idk, i just have a hard time trusting anybody on such a horrible team last year. I know they were tanking but the celtics were just bad last year. <div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> It really is embarrassing. I think the only franchise that has been run worse has been the Knicks. One of the main issues is this, chances are it won't change. Taylor loves McHale and McHale won't want to admit that something is over his head. So I don't see a scenario where McHale leaves. He could at least get a consultant like Kiki or J. West. I honestly believe that if we had the 1st pick in the draft that we'd trade it away. They are just that inept. Hurts my feelings. </div> Agreed, it looks like this year we aren't gonna take Hawes either which is one of the few nba ready centers to come into the draft in a long time. Our all time best center is Olowakandi or Blount. He is already better than them come on McHale. <div class="quote_poster">Sabretooth Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So you would rather play Foye as a SG instead of the point?</div> I would. I think that Foye isn't too small at all to play the off guard position. I see him as a perfect combo guard. It all depends on our lineup though. If we still have mccants and want to try him then foye and mccants at the one and two could be good as well. I really don't want to force him to be a pg when he has so much potential to be great at both positions imo
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Agreed, it looks like this year we aren't gonna take Hawes either which is one of the few nba ready centers to come into the draft in a long time. Our all time best center is Olowakandi or Blount. He is already better than them come on McHale.</div> Don't you mean "The Big Brown Bear" Mike Brown ...or "I came from the Bulls but have nothing to prove to you" Stacey King ? Wait wait....Stojko Vrankovic was an absolute beast . Off the subject, but it just comes to show....all these commentators stating that the "International Flavor" is the next step have to remember...players are players. If they come from Wall Street, Compton, Brazil, Virgin Islands, or Alaska (yep, NBA has one) there game will shine if they got it. They gave all this credit for Nelson because he had all these international players like it was a brainstorm that he came up with. I remember Vrankovic, Rakocevic, and other internationals before it became "The Next Big Thing". Back to Centers, remember that Rasho was really starting to hit his mark and become a solid contributor but then bolted for San Antonio. I hate when guys make smart decisions that hurt my team (Rasho bolting , Blazers tanking to drop to the 6th spot in a playoff chase and leaving us to face the Lakers when we had already beaten the Blazers 3 times that year and they knew we would have beaten them to move out for the first round then in 02'-03' I believe ).
