<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don?t think Mullin?s trading Jason Richardson in a Yi deal. I don?t think he?s trading Andris Biedrins in a Yi deal or at all. So that makes a Yi deal very difficult, doesn?t it? * Let?s get back to Nelson: If he?s back, and I?m saying that he is, you can only count on him for one more season. I think that?d be the extent of it, and Nelson is worth any additional day you get out of him. The Warriors want to win now. Nelson wants to win now. Mullin wants to win now. It?s not stupid, after that playoff run, for them to try to gun for a deep playoff run this season, if Baron Davis stays healthy and they can add a power forward right now. Yeah, and that?d be a Kevin Garnett type. Actually, that?d be Kevin Garnett, exactly. If, as rumored, Boston really is about to offer Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and the No. 5 pick (plus salary-cap-balancing extras) for Garnett, that?s more than Mullin can offer. Much more. Minnesota chief Kevin McHale ain?t the brightest bulb in the box, but even he has to pull the trigger on that one, doesn?t he? But if that?s not the Boston offer or if somehow the Celtics shy away from Garnett or if Garnett lets the Timberwolves that he doesn?t want to go to Boston? I mean, KG?s an interesting team-up with Paul Pierce and the East is weak, but how much better is Garnett?s situation if Boston has to gut itself to get him? He?d again go to a team that has no point guard and a team whose weak roster would force him to play a lot of center. That could still keep the Warriors in it. The Warriors can?t come close to the Boston potential offer, but they can offer interesting things, and to KG?s liking, they can trade for him without gutting their playoff core. He has to love Nellie-ball, right? Any Warrior offer could involve some combination of Patrick O?Bryant, Richardson (if Mullin is willing to put him out there), Ellis, possibly Biedrins, this year?s and future No. 1 picks, Al Harrington, Mickael Pietrus or Matt Barnes (if the trade doesn?t become official until mid-July, since Pietrus is a restricted and Barnes is an unrestricted free agent). Boston?s package is better. But Mullin could still be in play, especially if KG lets it be known that he wants to end up with the Warriors. I?ve written about Garnett and the Warriors for 100 years, I think. 100 consecutive years. This is the last year, I swear. I can go 1-for-100, just like Vizquel. </div> Source: San Jose Mecury News
I would never do any trade where we have to give up Ellis or Biedrins for KG. I don't care how good he is, I'd rather have a team built to last than a team for one good year.
I don't understand how Boston's rumored deal is so appealing to the Timberwolves. Is Minnesota that high about getting Yi? Anyway I agree KG is the perfect fit on this current roster. I am still uncertain how it could be done though.
I'd rather just get ellis, POB, and biedrins and like 3 future pick lol. Maybe some expiring crap to make the money work
I think Kawakami didn't mention that if KG were in a warrior uniform, Don Nelson would most likely have him in at center so he can take bigger guys off the dribble and dish to cutting guards. KG is a power forward all the way and I'm not sure if Beans has the scoring ability to stay in the game.
<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Kawakami didn't mention that if KG were in a warrior uniform, Don Nelson would most likely have him in at center so he can take bigger guys off the dribble and dish to cutting guards. KG is a power forward all the way and I'm not sure if Beans has the scoring ability to stay in the game.</div> Excellent point, CR2. We have to keep in mind this is Nellie's team. A Beans/KG frontcourt would be awesome, but how often would we see it? I mean, Nellie played Harrington at center for gawd sakes... <div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'd rather just get ellis, POB, and biedrins and like 3 future pick lol. Maybe some expiring crap to make the money work</div> Heh, exactly, I don't blame you -- that would make me sick. Sure KG is a franchise guy, but Ellis and Biedrins very well could be our franchise -- no way do I give up both players to get KG, let alone both players and picks. How about something like: JRich, Harrington, POB, and a few picks?
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How about something like: JRich, Harrington, POB, and a few picks?</div> I'd think that we would have to give up one of Ellis or Biedrins unfortunately. If that were the case I would give Monta. A package of J-Rich, Harrington, Monta, POB, future firsts would be pretty intriguing for Minny (though if the reported Boston deal is true then I don't know if it would top that). We give up a lot but after the trade we'll still have Baron, Jackson, KG, and Biedrins which is an insane group, hopefully we get lucky with some second round picks and FAs (they would be a lot easier to sign hopefully lol) to fill out the roster. Minny still gets a 23 ppg scorer who isn't yet in his prime, solid combo forward in Harrington, 21 year old combo guard who will be a great player, a project C with good upside, and future picks. They get most of the rebuilding process completed in one trade.
Like Tim Kawakami said, this team is looking to win now - well I mean the big two Don Nelson and Baron Davis. I would definitley consider trading either Monta or Andris in some deals for KG. Considering the draft coming up and the summer league to get an extra peek at POB and our first look at Kosta Perovic, I can see this being an opportunity to find somewhat replacements for Monta and Biedrins to open up a possibility of trading both Monta and Biedrins in a deal for KG. If it is to be Monta and Biedrins in a deal for KG then I think Foyle would need to be part of that deal as well as well as Al Harrington to make the contracts work if I remember correctly. To reiterate what I am trying to communicate here: I think right now trading Monta and Andris together for KG may be tough for this roster to handle at this point. However if the Warriors are able to get some potential replacements for Monta (perhaps Petteri Koponen?) and Andris (I don't know about the draft but I think POB helps here) in the draft along with the state at where Perovic and POB are, I can see Monta and Andris being expendable for a player like KG. Alleyoop, don't forget Nelson played Pietrus as the PF for much of the season as well. Actually Monta, Andris, Al, and Foyle doesn't work unless if you add Sarunas (which adds something I don't completely understand because of his contract right now). Perhaps something like Monta/Andris/Al/Foyle/Sarunas for KG and either Craig Smith (who was kind of impressive last season), Rashad McCants, or Mark Madsen could get KG to come to Oakland. Then the Warriors could throw out something like Baron/JRich/Jackson/Pietrus/KG with several others from the 2006 and 2007 drafts and whoever else they may resign on the bench.
KG has 2 years left on the deal, one of which is a player option. So, he has this upcoming season at 22 mils, and then he can choose to take his option next year at 24 mils (which I would asume he would do). KG is 31 years old. He will be 33 years old when he completes the contract. I dunno. I LOVE KG. Who doesn't!? But, this isn't a 25 year-old superstar like Kobe in his prime, or Gilbert, or even the slightly younger JO (who is still only 28 years old). This deal would be for 2 years of the awesome KG, the KG who has reached his pinnacle and will be slowly declining from here on out. He'll still be a monster. He'll still vie for MVP... But it will be for two years, and then, in all likelyhood, he'll be gone. Or, at least, a 33 year old big who has taken a TON of wear and tear over the years from his physical, relentless style of play. So, the question is: will this deal get you a shot at a ring THIS year or NEXT? If yes, then I'd do it. I'd do most any trade, then, if getting KG means you will be a title contender for the next 2 years. If, not, if it's anything less than championship material, I would then have restrictions on the trades I'd do. If it means a shot at the title, then Monta and Beans are expendable. If not, to me, they aren't. It's a tough call. KG hasn't done much in the POs in his career, but he's never had a good cast once Cassell and Spreewell left. I mean, if this were a trade for, hypothetically, Dwight Howard, then HELL YEAH I'd give up Monta, Beans, JRIch, Baron, WHOEVER they wanted, because it would be a franchise cornerstone for the next 10-15 years. KG isn't that type of player. He is not, at this point in his career, a guy you try to build around. He is a guy you try to WIN NOW with. To me, giving up Monta/Beans + draft picks and filler for KG means conceding the future to win now. I'm okay with that, if we win now. But if we do what Minny has been doing the last 5 years, what's the point?
I would trade ellis away in a heartbeat if it meant getting Garnett. Sure he's going to be a superstar, maybe one of the top 5% of the league, but Garnett IS in the top 5% of the league NOW. And he's playing alongside garbage. I can't believe people are that worried about Ellis. I mean, I love watching the kid play, he has so much heart, but he's a 2 guard. Azubuike came in and played well at the 2 in spurts. People need to look at relative ease of replacement. I'd shy away from losing Biedrins because of that relative strength. As far as Garnett and Beidrins playing together, Nelly will find a way to get them on the court together. They can both run the floor, catch the ball, and finish on both ends.
I know Kwan will later remind us all about the Webber fiasco. What happens if KG doesn't want to play center, he leaves us, and we just gave up our future picks? If we got KG, in my mind Baron, Sjax and Beans has to stay because PG, SG, and C are that important to a SF/PF playmaking/utility type guy such as Garnett. The rest can go. 20ppg is hard to replace but maybe we can get somebody who can emulate Jrich's scoring night to night and on back to back games. Maybe Morris Almond? He shoots jumpers and can finish inside. Not quite a Vince Carter type leaper though. He sounds like he could be consistent producer, but who knows really.
<div class="quote_poster">CohanHater Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would trade ellis away in a heartbeat if it meant getting Garnett. Sure he's going to be a superstar, maybe one of the top 5% of the league, but Garnett IS in the top 5% of the league NOW. And he's playing alongside garbage. I can't believe people are that worried about Ellis. I mean, I love watching the kid play, he has so much heart, but he's a 2 guard. Azubuike came in and played well at the 2 in spurts. People need to look at relative ease of replacement. I'd shy away from losing Biedrins because of that relative strength. As far as Garnett and Beidrins playing together, Nelly will find a way to get them on the court together. They can both run the floor, catch the ball, and finish on both ends.</div> Agree plus this helps: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If the Minnesota Timberwolves are listening to offers for Kevin Garnett, the player is trying to make their job easier. Forget Boston, is the word from the star center. Garnett's agent, Andy Miller, told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan that Garnett made it known to the Wolves and Celtics late Wednesday that he had no interest in playing for Boston. The implication was clear: If Minnesota dealt him to Boston, Garnett would opt out of his contract next summer. "The Boston trade isn't happening," Miller told Sheridan on Thursday. "If a trade were to happen, that's not a destination that we're interested in pursuing." Asked where Garnett would prefer to be dealt, Miller replied: "Too early. Ask me in two days."</div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2912075 I agree with Kawakami here. Nellie is only here for a year, maybe two, he probably wants to win now. KG is in the same situtation. If Monta or Biedrins is demanded by Minny you have to give up Monta plus JR, Harrington, POB, first rounders, or whatever Minny is asking for. The group of Baron, Jackson, KG, Biedrins is too good to pass up, thats a team that can contend now. It may only give us 2 or 3 years of true contending but its better than a few years of competing just to make the POs before Baron's body completely goes out and Nellie leaves. I say if KG is available where you don't have to give up Baron or Biedrins (I presume they don't even want Jackson) then you have to take it.
Webber had more of a problem with Nelly benching him every time he shot a 3 or near 3 point shot, than he had with actually playing center. Nelly saw that Webber had the physical ability to beat anyone inside at anytime and wanted to utilize that, but Webber had sand in his vajayjay. Garnett is a different kind of player. I wouldn't worry about that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jun 21, 2007 6:36pm ET Report: Garnett Turns Down Trade to Celtics Marc Stein of ESPN.com writes, "The proposed trade that would have sent Kevin Garnett to Boston, agreed to in principle by ex-teammates Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge, was taken off the table Thursday after Garnett got word to the Celtics that he doesn't want to play for them. Garnett, according to sources close to the situation, is hoping for a trade to the Phoenix Suns if he has to leave the only team he has ever played for."</div> Source Apparently the Wolves would want Amare in the trade. If you're the Suns, do you do it?
"Oh yeah, I want my 22 MILLION dollars next year, yeah you know, for playing a frickin kids' game, oh, but wait, I also want to get to choose what city gives me all this money -- wait, there's more, I want to choose which teammates I get to play with -- I don't care who picked me, I want to choose!!! -- and, of course, I want to choose what position I play, how often I play, how many shots I get to take, what plays the coach runs for me, what tasks I don't want to perform, when I practice, if I practice, what I eat, when I get paid, I mean, this aint NBA 2K7 on the playstation, this is real life!"
I would give up just about anyone except Baron (for obvious reasons). Biedrins would be very hard to part with though. KG + Andris together would be awesome, but if you trade one for the other the deal loses some of its lustre. Any combination of Harrington, Monta, JRich, or Jackson would be fine though, not to mention Foyle or POB if they'd take them of course.
