<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There were always two immutable facts about the age-old Kevin Garnett-to-the-Warriors gossip/chatter/discussion: 1. I was going to repeatedly write about the KG-Warriors possibility, with semi-solid logic and facts behind me, and I was going to look stupid and get ripped for doing it until the day came when Garnett took control of the awful situation and started to seek a better home for himself than Minnesota. (That?s OK. As you know, I never mind looking stupid and getting ripped if there?s a good reason to look stupid and get ripped.) 2. Garnett, unwilling to look like every other diva star athlete, never wanted to take control of the situation and cause trouble, which gave the dumb-lazy Timberwolves the excuse just to keep rolling along in mediocrity without trading him. Well now! Today, Point No. 2 ceased to be operable. GARNETT WANTS OUT. Which makes Point No. 1 incredibly live right now except for the me-stupid part. Garnett could come to the Warriors, if the Warriors can put together a deal that entices Kevin McHale. Really. Possibly. It could happen. It could?ve happened years ago if only McHale and Garnett had reached this point back then, but oh well, it could happen now, anyway. It?s about two years late, of course, for Garnett?s sake, but at least Garnett has stepped up to nix a potential trade to Boston because he doesn?t want to be there even for one season. (That was predictable. Why trade Minnesota lousiness for Boston lousiness? Only Kobe wants to go East just to trounce on the other lousiness in that conference.) Remember, Garnett can opt-out after next season and therefore has major say in trade destinations. This is a live situation, folks. A brand-new, very real KG Market. And the biggest part of Point No. 1 was that I always have been told that Garnett would very much like to be a Warrior, a feeling that heated up after the acquisition of Baron Davis (KG really wants to play with a great point guard) and probably went torch-inferno during/after the Warriors? Nellie-ball escapades in the playoffs. By the way, I think it?s understood that Chris Mullin has been intrigued by Garnett for years and years, and that Don Nelson couldn?t find a better fit for his system than Garnett. The Warriors need a unique power forward to match up with Boozer/Duncan/Stoudemire. Garnett is a power forward who can play fast, actually is better playing fast, yet also makes Boozer/Duncan/Stoudemire queasy when they have to play him. So stipulated. I?m not saying that the Warriors are KG?s only desired potential destination. The Lakers would be way up there, probably ahead of the Warriors, even amid the Kobe Bryant Agonies. The Suns would be way up there, probably ahead of the Warriors, because of Steve Nash and Mike D?Antoni. The Clippers would be up there. The Mavericks, maybe. But the Lakers don?t have much to offer the T-Wolves for the necessary rebuilding project, other than Kobe or Andrew Bynum, and dealing Kobe would defeat the whole purpose and if the T-Wolves take Bynum, Jordan Farmar and Lamar Odom (without Kobe), then they turn into the Kobe-less Lakers. Which is bad. The Suns have Amare Stoudemire, but I keep hearing that Phoenix wants to keep their young star?even if he?s experiencing some chemistry trouble in the locker room?because they know they?ll need him once Nash gets a little older. Minnesota might not want Shawn Marion. I?m not sure what the Clippers could offer, and the Mavs already have Nowitzki, who is about the same age, the same height and plays the same odd-but-brilliant (except for the playoffs) style of tall-forward KG ball. My goodness, that leaves the Warriors, doesn?t it?</div> Source: San Jose Mercury News
The Warriors would have to give up Monta or Biedrins, probably Jason Richardson and thier draft pick. I don't know, but that deal looks ok...
I'd give up Monta...MAYBE Biedrins as a last resort...but not both of them. Anyone else is fair game except Baron.
<div class="quote_poster">ryanfish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My God, when will Kawakami stop!</div> I saw on the news that the San Jose Mercury was going to make some big cuts. Perhaps one of the cuts will be Kawakami. haha. Perhaps some can only hope. But I don't think Kawakami is correct in saying KG wants out. I think it's more like he wants to either play for the Suns or stay in Minnesota. Perhaps he'd be willing to come to Oakland. But I don't think KG is pulling off a Shaquille O'Neal or Kobe Bryant. I think the only reason why the Warriors chances may have improved to get KG is because he is not being traded right now to Boston. Otherwise I think everything is pretty much as it was before the Boston rumors. I think right now the Warriors need to focus on the draft. But if they come away with a strong draft, which may be somewhat likely with the depth of this draft. Then perhaps the Warriors can soon find themselves in the middle of KG proposals.
Everytime someone posts a Kawakami article, I post an comment on the SJ Merc telling him to leave or stop writing
Anything is possible but KG to the Warriors is highly doubtful, unless the suns don't give up Stoudemire and that shrinks KG options. Still if the Warriors made the trade would the new Warriors configuration be enough to get to the second round and beyond? I tend to believe that it would take a lot of luck and we couldn't get lucky two years in a row could we?
<div class="quote_poster">Duckmyster Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Anything is possible but KG to the Warriors is highly doubtful, unless the suns don't give up Stoudemire and that shrinks KG options. Still if the Warriors made the trade would the new Warriors configuration be enough to get to the second round and beyond? I tend to believe that it would take a lot of luck and we couldn't get lucky two years in a row could we?</div> It would take a lot of luck just to have Baron Davis healthy like he was last season to get this team into the playoffs and to play as strongly as he did. It would take a bit of luck to expect Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins to have the same impact on a team as KG. It would take a lot of luck to get this same roster into the second round next season. I think the Warriors chances could very easily be better if they did have KG. Now there are some deals that may end up hurting the Warriors more than helping them. But I would take my chances on a team with Baron Davis at his current state, Jason Richardson in his prime, and Kevin Garnett who is still a dominant player with Don Nelson as head coach to get this team to the second round and beyond. But anyway, I agree with your assessment about the possibilities of KG being traded here. It's probably not that strong.
All i can say is if Garnett ends up in LA with Kobe for Bynum and Odom that will be the final straw to convince me the league is fixed. Clearly, the Warriors have more to offer than the Lakers in talent, clearly the Suns have more to offer. Hell Boston has more to offer, most teams do. GArnett has never said trade me so he is not forcing the hand of taylor/mchale and co. ..... I just see this as more shenanigans from ole commish stern..... just as he had his hand in allowing shaq be moved despite obvious tampering violations and how Kobe got away with the horseshit threat of only the lakers drafting him or he would play over seas.... another manuever that through a close friend of DAvid West, Jerry's son was very sketchy and approved by stern. In fact, i am told there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that would sour us fans if we knew. I guess i am already convinved the league is fixed to some degree, Garnett joining Kobe would only further prove it
Boogielew - I've certainly suspected a whiff of sulfur from commissioner Mephistopheles' office from time to time. I understand where you're coming from, but it just doesn't add up. How would San Antonio (for chrissakes) be winning titles every other year, not to mention getting ultra-lucky in the lotto twice, while the Knicks are (on a payroll-to-win ratio) the most pathetic team in the league? How would portland and seattle be the big winners in the deepest draft in recent memory? etcetera etcetera etcetera. I don't doubt what you're saying about the backroom shenanigans but.....
I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with conspiracy theory. Like DT mentioned, San Antonio is a small market, and them getting Duncan really wouldn't help the league. In contrast, Boston had the worst record in Duncan draft and 2nd worst record in Oden and Durant was available. Boston is a traditional basketball powerhouse in East, and if they become a good team, it will definitely benefit the league. And, even if they won the draft, nobody would suspect that there was any foul play. However, San Antonio got Duncan, Portland, probably the smallest market in NBA, won the lottery, and Seattle, which may leave Seattle, won 2nd pick. If the league actually cared about the West superiority, the last teams Oden and Durant would end up are Western conference teams. Even in this PO, I had to laugh about the conspiracy theory that Stern helped Spurs to beat Suns by suspending Stoudmire and Diow. I mean, anybody would figure out that Suns would draw much better rating than Spurs, so why in the world Stern would help Spurs and drag the rating to the ground? But first, it's way too premature to call a foul play, when all we know is a vague rumor...
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">All i can say is if Garnett ends up in LA with Kobe for Bynum and Odom that will be the final straw to convince me the league is fixed. Clearly, the Warriors have more to offer than the Lakers in talent, clearly the Suns have more to offer. Hell Boston has more to offer, most teams do. GArnett has never said trade me so he is not forcing the hand of taylor/mchale and co. ..... I just see this as more shenanigans from ole commish stern..... just as he had his hand in allowing shaq be moved despite obvious tampering violations and how Kobe got away with the horseshit threat of only the lakers drafting him or he would play over seas.... another manuever that through a close friend of DAvid West, Jerry's son was very sketchy and approved by stern. In fact, i am told there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that would sour us fans if we knew. I guess i am already convinved the league is fixed to some degree, Garnett joining Kobe would only further prove it</div> WOW you really went the extra mile with the conspiracy theories... The Lakers are offering less than other teams granted but KG wants to go to L.A. and sometimes teams try to accomodate the player as much as they can... Just the way the Lakers decided to move Shaq to Miami where he wanted to go even though we could have gotten more for him other than Caron Butler and Lamar Odom which essentially became Odoma and Kwame for Shaq but the Lakers didi their best to make Shaq happy even though it wasnt the best offer out there obviously.
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">All i can say is if Garnett ends up in LA with Kobe for Bynum and Odom that will be the final straw to convince me the league is fixed. Clearly, the Warriors have more to offer than the Lakers in talent, clearly the Suns have more to offer. Hell Boston has more to offer, most teams do. GArnett has never said trade me so he is not forcing the hand of taylor/mchale and co. ..... I just see this as more shenanigans from ole commish stern..... just as he had his hand in allowing shaq be moved despite obvious tampering violations and how Kobe got away with the horseshit threat of only the lakers drafting him or he would play over seas.... another manuever that through a close friend of DAvid West, Jerry's son was very sketchy and approved by stern. In fact, i am told there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that would sour us fans if we knew. I guess i am already convinved the league is fixed to some degree, Garnett joining Kobe would only further prove it</div> I can't help but admire your way of thinking. Bring all the conspiracy theories..lol
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">All i can say is if Garnett ends up in LA with Kobe for Bynum and Odom that will be the final straw to convince me the league is fixed. Clearly, the Warriors have more to offer than the Lakers in talent, clearly the Suns have more to offer. Hell Boston has more to offer, most teams do. GArnett has never said trade me so he is not forcing the hand of taylor/mchale and co. ..... I just see this as more shenanigans from ole commish stern..... just as he had his hand in allowing shaq be moved despite obvious tampering violations and how Kobe got away with the horseshit threat of only the lakers drafting him or he would play over seas.... another manuever that through a close friend of DAvid West, Jerry's son was very sketchy and approved by stern. In fact, i am told there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that would sour us fans if we knew. I guess i am already convinved the league is fixed to some degree, Garnett joining Kobe would only further prove it</div> Kobe's agent is the one who blocked him from going to New Jersey. The agent and that slime ball Sonny Vaccarro orchestrated that move. Kobe was only 17 at the time? His handlers were the ones advising him. I'm sure there are a lot of shady behind the scenes nonsense going on with the league. The corporate ownership has impacted the game in a negative light. It's all about the bottomline for them, and going to a game no longer has that "wholesome family" feel to it. The Spurs might not be an attractive team to the US market, but I bet you the NBA ratings overseas were high. Look at all the International talent on their team. David Stern's vision for the league is to globalize the sport and penetrate the International market place. Tony Parker has just become the face of basketball in Europe, Manu Ginobili is a mega-star in Argentinia, and that influences the next generation of young kids who start getting interested in the sport.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The Spurs might not be an attractive team to the US market, but I bet you the NBA ratings overseas were high. Look at all the International talent on their team. David Stern's vision for the league is to globalize the sport and penetrate the International market place. Tony Parker has just become the face of basketball in Europe, Manu Ginobili is a mega-star in Argentinia, and that influences the next generation of young kids who start getting interested in the sport.</div> Most definitely. And if we look at guys like Yao Ming, Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki, I'm sure it's brought even more attention internationally.
