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  1. GatorsowntheNCAA

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    So who do the Magic take at #44? Throw out some names of who you think would be good fits. I think we could use either a) 4th big, [​IMG] a big PG, c) a foreign project, or d) a big wing that can shoot
     
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    I don't follow college ball but in a couple mocks I've seen names like Marc Gasol and Nick Fazekas falling to us. I don't know how likely it is but it seems like Fazekas would be a steal if we picked him up.
     
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    I would love to get Fazekas but I've heard that he's been killing in workouts. Some people say his stock has increase so much that he could go in the first round around the 20's. He's been money from long range in a lot of his workouts and I guess teams see him as a Dirk type of player since he's big and has a nice shot.

    As far as who I'd like to get, there are a couple of guys that seem pretty good. Taureen Green would be amazing. He knows how to win and was great at Florida, even if he was overshadowed by the other players. Another guy is Glen Davis. This would be a good situation for him because he wouldn't have any pressure to perform but he would crack the rotation playing alongside Tony Battie. I think he could be this draft's Ryan Gomes, a power forward who is picked late but turns out to be somewhat of a steal. I would love to snag him at 44.
     
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    I would love for Glen Davis to drop to #44. He is a good player and I think he will do pretty good in the pros.
     
  5. The Walrus

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    Arron gray pops into my mind all though i dont think he'll drop that far.
    I love the intensity of Jarred Dudley, but like Gray, he might not drop that far.

    One player you may call me crazy on, and also from Boston College, is Sean Williams!! Thats right I said it. lol A lot of teams have Wililams goin late first round/early second but i predict him bein this years MArcus Williams that slipped like 20 picks or so because of behavior problems. Sean Williams is a great defensive talent and could bring great energy off the bench for the Magic.

    If your not sure who he is, Williams was a great defensive player for Boston College that was suspended for marijuana and some behavior problems. [to keep it short.] lol
     
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    I'd definitely be happy with a Jared Dudley. I like him a lot, he would be a pretty solid role player as a defensive minded 3 that can playmake. Like you said I doubt he would be available.

    I wouldn't be opposed to a guy like Zabian Dowdell. I don't like Aaron Gray that much, big wise I would much rather have Marc Gasol or a Carl Landry(to backup PF). Sean WIlliams would be interesting, but with our history with not dealing with trouble makers, I wouldn't count on us picking him, if he's even left. Big Baby is an interesting case. I don't really think he will be the impact player of the 2nd round, but he could be a solid role player. You know what you are gonna get out of him and he'd be a solid PF pick, but I would probably pass on him if he was available.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Magic don't have a first-round pick after trading it to Detroit in February of 2006 for Milicic and Carlos Arroyo. It's just the second time in the history of the franchise that the Magic do not have a first-round selection.

    They originally had three second-round picks, but the 39th selection was sent to Miami as compensation for the Van Gundy hiring. He was tabbed as the Magic's next coach when Billy Donovan backed out of his $27.5 million contract just days after signing it with Orlando.

    The Magic will pick 44th and 54th in Thursday's draft, meaning they will have to wait more than two hours before making a selection. And because the Magic have enough young players and don't want to cut into their cap space, they will most likely trade one of those picks. The other selection could be used on an international player they can stash away in Europe and sign next season.

    If they do keep a pick, some of the players the Magic could see still around at 44 are Florida point guard Tauren Green, Nevada power forward Nick Fazekas, Syracuse forward Demetrius Nichols and LSU power forward Glen Davis. Smith is a big fan of Davis, and likely would pick the 6-foot-8, 280-pounder if he's still available.

    "All you can do at 44 and 54 is just kind of wait and see what comes to you," said Smith, who guessed that Orlando has 12 to 15 players targeted to possibly be available at No. 44. "You look at what's there, what you like and what need you have. But I really think we can get a good player there at 44."

    Stars can be culled from the second round, but they are rare. Rashard Lewis (1998), Manu Ginobili (1999), Gilbert Arenas and Mehmet Okur (2001), Carlos Boozer (2002) and Monta Ellis (2005) are the most prominent players ever to come from the second round.

    The Magic would do well to end up with a player the caliber of Trevor Ariza, who was selected 43rd in 2004 by the New York Knicks. Ariza is now a budding standout and a core member of the Magic. But most likely they will end up with a player the caliber of Diener or James Augustine, their second-round picks from the past two seasons. Both defied the odds and made the opening-night roster, but have yet to make much of a contribution.

    "You have to keep all the balls up in the air with the draft this week and then free agency next week," Smith said. "We'll deal with the draft first and then go into free agency ready to go."</div>
    Source: Florida Today

    Are we amazing or what? We mentioned almost all of those guys. [​IMG]
     
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    None of them are likely to be available at the time of our pick except maybe Nichols.
     
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    I saw a mock that had us taking Stephane Lasme from UMass with one of our second round picks. In college last year he averaged 5 blocks per game and is being compared somewhat to Keon Clark. What do you guys think about him?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">TwinTowers Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I saw a mock that had us taking Stephane Lasme from UMass with one of our second round picks. In college last year he averaged 5 blocks per game and is being compared somewhat to Keon Clark. What do you guys think about him?</div>

    Sorry but ever after seeing this nasty dunk.
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    But seriously i dont know that much about Stephane Lasme, but that 5 blocks per game catches my eye. '
    I still think we should get take the risk on Sean Williams though.
     
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    The JBB mock draft has us taking Taurean Green. I don't know what to think of the pick, but how do you think he would do on the Magic, Gators or anyone that has seen him play?
     
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    he's a PG right? I don't want another PG on this team...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Riot Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The JBB mock draft has us taking Taurean Green. I don't know what to think of the pick, but how do you think he would do on the Magic, Gators or anyone that has seen him play?</div>

    He's an ok PG from both the national championship teams. GatorsOwnTheNcaa will probably disagree with me on this one. lol. But I don't think he's anything special as of now. He makes a lot of mistakes when the pressures on or in crucial minutes and turns the ball over. And Billy Donnovan had to bench him a couple times to calm him down.

    On the up side though
    He's undersized but makes up for it in quickness, and his 3 point has improved.

    I just feel that anyone that can pass to Horford,Noah,Humphries, and Brewer could be good. thats just my opinion.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">The Walrus Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He's an ok PG from both the national championship teams. GatorsOwnTheNcaa will probably disagree with me on this one. lol. But I don't think he's anything special as of now. He makes a lot of mistakes when the pressures on or in crucial minutes and turns the ball over. And Billy Donnovan had to bench him a couple times to calm him down.

    On the up side though
    He's undersized but makes up for it in quickness, and his 3 point has improved.

    I just feel that anyone that can pass to Horford,Noah,Humphries, and Brewer could be good. thats just my opinion.</div>

    I think at best he's a backup who can start occasionally, but not really a starting PG. You are definitely wrong on the making a lot of mistakes. That's why the Gators have been so good because he's been rock solid. Also the Gators didn't have any other real PG on the roster, so basically he's had to carry the load. He got the most minutes for the Gators the last 2 years because he was our only reliable ball handler. He's about as dependable as you can get.

    Honestly I think he's a better "PG" then Jameer, because he will get others involved without turning it over, but Jameer is the better basketball player. Green will help turn whatever bench he's on into one of the better benches because he seems to know what to do with the ball every single time and he will get everyone involved. He has great leadership too.
     
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    I'm just sayin throughout the season, he got to excited anf rsutrated at himself forcing him to make turnovers. Thats why Billy donnovan would send him to the bench occaisonally. I mean he had about 3 turnoever per game and only abotu 4 assists per game. When he had the best options in college basketball to pass too.
    In the championship game, Green had 6 turnovers! And those turnovers were the only thing that kept Ohio State in the game.

    I agree with you, that'll he'll bring good energy to teams bench(especially with his quickness and 3 shooting) and that he is a good player. But is he gonna be a star? no Career backup at best like you said.
     
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    With 2nd round picks there's no guarantee so I don't care who we get. Do you think we could get Big Baby Davis?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">The Walrus Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm just sayin throughout the season, he got to excited anf rsutrated at himself forcing him to make turnovers. Thats why Billy donnovan would send him to the bench occaisonally. I mean he had about 3 turnoever per game and only abotu 4 assists per game. When he had the best options in college basketball to pass too.
    In the championship game, Green had 6 turnovers! And those turnovers were the only thing that kept Ohio State in the game. </div>

    He did at times, but for the most part he was very consistent at not turning the ball over. No one really got a lot of assists on our team because of the constant ball movement. Green set up the offense and got the ball moving, but we would always make the extra pass, so that's why Green's assist numbers aren't as good. Green wasn't the guy making the entry pass. Billy Donovan rarely benched Green because of turnovers. He would bench him to give him a rare break. He would call timeouts to tell Green to slow it down and to get him out of a turnover funk.

    Mike Conley is known as one of the best defensive PG's. Sure he struggled against him, but the year before against Farmar he had 8 assists to 1 turnover. Not to mention he didn't really turn it over down the stretch. He did struggle in the tournament but for the most part he was very good the entire year at not turning it over. When you are the only legit PG the team has and you play that many minutes, teams will try to trap or press you to wear you down. btw, the thing that kept Ohio State in the game was Greg Oden, not Taureen's turnovers and honestly they really weren't in the game that much. It was 8-13 pt lead the entire 2nd half.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with you, that'll he'll bring good energy to teams bench(especially with his quickness and 3 shooting) and that he is a good player. But is he gonna be a star? no Career backup at best like you said.</div>

    I don't think anyone is rating him to be a star or even a starter. He could probably make a starting lineup at some point in his career, but his leadership skills at the end of games makes him a valuable guy to have.
     
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    Glen Davis just went to the Celtics at 34. [​IMG]

    There is a certain player I'd love to get still on the board though. I don't want to say his name because I don't want to jinx anything though. It's like when a guy is throwing a no hitter, you just don't talk about him. [​IMG]
     
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    Get me Derrick Byars, Taureen Green, or Stephen Lasme!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Get me Derrick Byars, Taureen Green, or Stephen Lasme!</div>

    We don't say names Gators! Don't you know anything about jinxing things?!
     

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