Everyone's entitled to behave however they want, but at the same time Bogut has the right to speak up if he finds flaws within that type of thinking. btw, I kind of flipped around on this after thinking about it more. There's no point in getting worked up about it. The dude should be allowed to express himself.
I agree with boguts point but his choice of words are apparently missleading to some of you. What bogut is trying to say is that the American culture is driven by money, a giant conglomerate society where money, power, fame and looks are what matter most. This is completely true in some sense. There are alot of people in america who are against these values but it is still hard to escape the majority of the population and the immense power of media outlets that support and live by what bogut is saying he doesnt agree with. This has nothing to with race or economic backgrounds Walrus, you are only jumping to that conclusion because you have not understood the point being raised. Bogut is also pointing out that the commercial and material values of american culture is re-iterated through the NBA, and it is. Look and all the young NBA stars with expensive jewlery, fast cars and "Bling". They are setting an example for americas youth, and bogut would never want his child exposed to such material values. Bogut is NOT saying that Hip-Hop is bad or responsible, he is only using the money-driven hip-hop industry as an example of the popularity of young, greedy stars who have far too much money than they need, and choose to show it off in every song they make. This is what Bogut was trying to say, and if you disagree with that point then all you are doing is supporting the greedy nature of american culture and exploitation of the public for the extremely undeserving wealth of these young stars.
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What's wrong with wanting more in life? Everyone wants more. If your rich and you're greedy, let it be. It's there money and they can spend it however they want. Even if they go broke by the time they're 50.</div> Nothing, I dont see once in that Article where Bogut says that doing all of that kind of stuff is wrong or bad. He's just telling it like it is. Are you saying he is wrong?
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with boguts point but his choice of words are apparently missleading to some of you. What bogut is trying to say is that the American culture is driven by money, a giant conglomerate society where money, power, fame and looks are what matter most. This is completely true in some sense. There are alot of people in america who are against these values but it is still hard to escape the majority of the population and the immense power of media outlets that support and live by what bogut is saying he doesnt agree with. This has nothing to with race or economic backgrounds Walrus, you are only jumping to that conclusion because you have not understood the point being raised. Bogut is also pointing out that the commercial and material values of american culture is re-iterated through the NBA, and it is. Look and all the young NBA stars with expensive jewlery, fast cars and "Bling". They are setting an example for americas youth, and bogut would never want his child exposed to such material values. Bogut is NOT saying that Hip-Hop is bad or responsible, he is only using the money-driven hip-hop industry as an example of the popularity of young, greedy stars who have far too much money than they need, and choose to show it off in every song they make. This is what Bogut was trying to say, and if you disagree with that point then all you are doing is supporting the greedy nature of american culture and exploitation of the public for the extremely undeserving wealth of these young stars.</div> very well said, you seem to understand the U.S. quite well. the U.S. is way too materialistic and these dumb MTV "Cribs" shows and hip-hop culture does not help, it just makes it worse.. This is why you've got people getting killed for their car or their jewelry. THINGS DON'T MAKE YOU HAPPY. ACHIEVING STUFF DOES. First lesson my old man ever taught me. Why is this so difficult to grasp?
I agree with Bogut's comments, but I can see where it could offend people. I hate a lot of America's self-absorbed views, the bling bling generation, and chasing the almighty dollar at the expense of others. It's not how I want to live my life, but some people get pleasure out of wearing expensive clothes, like I get pleasure out of spending money on traveling. To each his own.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Australia is far from being one of the whitest countries in the world, we're a very diverse country. But anyway, I dont see what being white has to do with any of this anyway. He called out NBA players as a whole, not just black NBA players.</div> Im not trying to be racist here, but atleast 40% of Australia is now Chinese. Your right we are a very diverse country. Bogut was not trying to offend anybody here when he said this, he was simply just giving across his opinion and how different life is for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Im not trying to be racist here, but atleast 40% of Australia is now Chinese. Your right we are a very diverse country. Bogut was not trying to offend anybody here when he said this, he was simply just giving across his opinion and how different life is for him.</div> Asian you mean. Seriously though, there are so many Asians here, not that thats a bad thing, just weird when each time you get on the bus, the number of Asians out number the number of caucasion people 2-1. We also have alot of West Africans, Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian and Lebanese living amongst us.
He makes some points. But yet again, he should've just kept his thoughts to himself. Bogut needs to make himself as known for his play as his propensity to put his foot in his mouth.
I don't see why he should keep his mouth shut. People need to speak up against the things he spoke of, or else it will only get worse.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nothing, I dont see once in that Article where Bogut says that doing all of that kind of stuff is wrong or bad. He's just telling it like it is. Are you saying he is wrong?</div> <font size=""2"">"The smarter guys don't do that. They like to live a regular life and want to retire and be set up. About 80 percent of them go broke by the time they retire or come close to it.""</font> He's saying the not so smart guys spend their money on bling bling, fast cars, and go broke by retirement. I'm not saying he's right, or wrong, but it seems like he's saying they're wrong. I don't think anything is wrong with that. Live fast, die young.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Asian you mean. Seriously though, there are so many Asians here, not that thats a bad thing, just weird when each time you get on the bus, the number of Asians out number the number of caucasion people 2-1. We also have alot of West Africans, Middle Eastern, Greek, Italian and Lebanese living amongst us.</div> Know what you mean. If Yi wants to play in city's with a big Asian population, just come down to Australia and play NBL. Every city down here is full of Asians who will support him. (Once again not being racist)
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What are they supposed to blame it on then? Black people? It's a proven fact that Rap music influences a lot of things. Where did hoes, pimps, flossing, bling bling, fancy cars, throwing money, expensive alcohol become popular? It originated in hip hop and rap.</div> This is a very shallow statement^^^^^^Ur obviously new to hiphop culture, which explains ur lack of understanding. Rap music influences are everywhere. But to blame a players lifestyle on a particular style of music is very shallow. And for the record, pimps, hoez, flossing & fancy cars were ALL here before Hiphop existed. Hue Heffner had hoez at his mansion LONG before there was a hiphop, yet you assume Hiphop created all these things. Poor baby NOTE: I've noticed everytime something goes wrong ppl are quick to criticize rap music or Hiphop. That's the most idiotic thing ppl could do. <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with Bogut's comments, but I can see where it could offend people. I hate a lot of America's self-absorbed views, the bling bling generation, and chasing the almighty dollar at the expense of others. It's not how I want to live my life, but some people get pleasure out of wearing expensive clothes, like I get pleasure out of spending money on traveling.</div> That's a fair assement. But why do ppl feel the need to bring hiphop into it? I thought players were greedy since they started getting $$$, not when Hiphop existed
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is a very shallow statement^^^^^^Ur obviously new to hiphop culture, which explains ur lack of understanding. Rap music influences are everywhere. But to blame a players lifestyle on a particular style of music is very shallow. And for the record, pimps, hoez, flossing & fancy cars were ALL here before Hiphop existed. Hue Heffner had hoez at his mansion LONG before there was a hiphop, yet you assume Hiphop created all these things. Poor baby NOTE: I've noticed everytime something goes wrong ppl are quick to criticize rap music or Hiphop. That's the most idiotic thing ppl could do. That's a fair assement. But why do ppl feel the need to bring hiphop into it? I thought players were greedy since they started getting $$$, not when Hiphop existed</div> I'd say the hiphop message has evolved over the last decade. A lot of rappers write about their materialistic accomplishments. They should be included in the conversation, but of course not soley responsible for people being greedy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">This is a very shallow statement^^^^^^Ur obviously new to hiphop culture, which explains ur lack of understanding. Rap music influences are everywhere. But to blame a players lifestyle on a particular style of music is very shallow. And for the record, pimps, hoez, flossing & fancy cars were ALL here before Hiphop existed. Hue Heffner had hoez at his mansion LONG before there was a hiphop, yet you assume Hiphop created all these things. Poor baby NOTE: I've noticed everytime something goes wrong ppl are quick to criticize rap music or Hiphop. That's the most idiotic thing ppl could do. That's a fair assement. But why do ppl feel the need to bring hiphop into it? I thought players were greedy since they started getting $$$, not when Hiphop existed</div> Where did you get the impression that he was solely blaming hip hop culture for the extravagant, wasteful lifestyles that NBA players lead? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bogut blames the U.S. culture of greed and arrogance for part of the problem, the newspaper reported.</div> Bogut didn't blame anything on hip hop, just used it as an example. And he's right. There's no denying that there's an inherently materialistic side to hip hop music and culture (especially in the mainstream scene). Its a side that focuses on getting money when you have none and flaunting it when you make it. And its so blatant and easy to find (ie: clothing and fashion meant to draw attention to oneself, music videos that focus on materialistic goods, a whole style of rapping built around bragging and touting one's own superiority, etc.). At the end of the day though, this side of hip hop is more a reflection of American culture (instead of the other way around). And I think Bogut understood that when he was making these comments (which is why he only made a passing remark about hip hop). Seems to me like you're attacking something that's not there.
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with boguts point but his choice of words are apparently missleading to some of you. What bogut is trying to say is that the American culture is driven by money, a giant conglomerate society where money, power, fame and looks are what matter most. This is completely true in some sense. There are alot of people in america who are against these values but it is still hard to escape the majority of the population and the immense power of media outlets that support and live by what bogut is saying he doesnt agree with. This has nothing to with race or economic backgrounds Walrus, you are only jumping to that conclusion because you have not understood the point being raised. Bogut is also pointing out that the commercial and material values of american culture is re-iterated through the NBA, and it is. Look and all the young NBA stars with expensive jewlery, fast cars and "Bling". They are setting an example for americas youth, and bogut would never want his child exposed to such material values. Bogut is NOT saying that Hip-Hop is bad or responsible, he is only using the money-driven hip-hop industry as an example of the popularity of young, greedy stars who have far too much money than they need, and choose to show it off in every song they make. This is what Bogut was trying to say, and if you disagree with that point then all you are doing is supporting the greedy nature of american culture and exploitation of the public for the extremely undeserving wealth of these young stars.</div> Yeah i think I misinterperted his comments at first. He has some points in his comments, i just feel he shoulda just kept his comments to himself. I mean tons of sportwriters were talkin and dissin Bogut this past week for his comments. Just not sure if was the best way to get publicity. Which actually coulda been what he was lookin for. a lil publicity to show he's a "good modest citizen"
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is a very shallow statement^^^^^^Ur obviously new to hiphop culture, which explains ur lack of understanding. Rap music influences are everywhere. But to blame a players lifestyle on a particular style of music is very shallow. And for the record, pimps, hoez, flossing & fancy cars were ALL here before Hiphop existed. Hue Heffner had hoez at his mansion LONG before there was a hiphop, yet you assume Hiphop created all these things. Poor baby NOTE: I've noticed everytime something goes wrong ppl are quick to criticize rap music or Hiphop. That's the most idiotic thing ppl could do. That's a fair assement. But why do ppl feel the need to bring hiphop into it? I thought players were greedy since they started getting $$$, not when Hiphop existed</div> Hip hop and rap is different today compared to what it was before. As you say "pimps, hoez, flossing & fancy cars were ALL here before Hiphop existed", but the mainstream hip hop, rap, R&B and many other styles of music, that you see on MTV and hear on the radio, seem to idolize and promote that kind of stuff. You don't see too many people trying to be Hugh Hefner (even though many would want to), but there is plenty of people trying to act like the modern day rapper, not only among artists, but among the common crowd. Furthermore, it seems like almost every music video today, except for the more "sophisticated" ones, can't make a music video without including lightly dressed women doing pelvis thrusts all over the place, and displaying wealth in some kind of way (usually in the form of throwing money or pressing their "bling" against the camera). And the songs? Always, always, a sexual reference. It's a sad state that much of the music today is in, and it's spreading to other things.
<div class="quote_poster">Bahir Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hip hop and rap is different today compared to what it was before. As you say "pimps, hoez, flossing & fancy cars were ALL here before Hiphop existed", but the mainstream hip hop, rap, R&B and many other styles of music, that you see on MTV and hear on the radio, seem to idolize and promote that kind of stuff. You don't see too many people trying to be Hugh Hefner (even though many would want to), but there is plenty of people trying to act like the modern day rapper, not only among artists, but among the common crowd. Furthermore, it seems like almost every music video today, except for the more "sophisticated" ones, can't make a music video without including lightly dressed women doing pelvis thrusts all over the place, and displaying wealth in some kind of way (usually in the form of throwing money or pressing their "bling" against the camera). And the songs? Always, always, a sexual reference.</div> Dude, what's exactly ur point. There are many different types of hiphop. Does that mean just because a player lives an expensive lifestyle it's a reflection of Hiphop? NO! That's a weak generalization. Also, what does throwin money in the air & naked women have to do with NBA players? Most of these NBA players are MARRIED with kids. Not all of them go to strip clubs and "throw money in the air". The fact is players choose to do what they want to do. Their GROWN ASS MEN who are responsible for their own decisions. Hiphop is a cop out for corporate america to use because they haven't fully understood it. If a player likes to flaunt his $$$, then that's what it is. But it's not because he "saw a rap video" and all of sudden became this money hungy womanizer. If you think about it, there isn't too much of a difference between pro athletes in general. ALL of them pretty much make the same mistakes. But when it's a NBA player, ppl like to point to hiphop culture. Maybe "greed" is much bigger than Hiphop. Just maybe
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, what's exactly ur point. There are many different types of hiphop. Does that mean just because a player lives an expensive lifestyle it's a reflection of Hiphop? NO! That's a weak generalization. Also, what does throwin money in the air & naked women have to do with NBA players? Most of these NBA players are MARRIED with kids. Not all of them go to strip clubs and "throw money in the air". The fact is players choose to do what they want to do. Their GROWN ASS MEN who are responsible for their own decisions. Hiphop is a cop out for corporate america to use because they haven't fully understood it. If a player likes to flaunt his $$$, then that's what it is. But it's not because he "saw a rap video" and all of sudden became this money hungy womanizer. If you think about it, there isn't too much of a difference between pro athletes in general. ALL of them pretty much make the same mistakes. But when it's a NBA player, ppl like to point to hiphop culture. Maybe "greed" is much bigger than Hiphop. Just maybe</div> You really don't be seeming to get the point and are fixed on this hip hop angle as if it is the central issue here. It's not. Get over it.
