Garnett to Golden State Talks are Legit

I'm perfectly happy with this lineup for next year:

PG Baron Davis/Marco Bellineli/Stephen Jackson
SG Stephen Jackson/Marco Bellineli
SF Al Harrington/Matt Barnes
PF Kevin Garnett/Al Harrington/Stephane Lasme
C Andris Biedrins/Kevin Garnett/Stephane Lasme

 

I saw on ESPN Insider an article saying something about now KG wants to stay in Minny.

 

Someone explain to me why we're thinking of trading a guy that was M.I.P. last year and has a bright future...i agree with The Legend,look what happened to Gil whenever we trade we seem to get the bad end of the deal everytime and i wont be surprised when j-rich reaches his prime with the bobcats IF that were to happen we can add that to the list of bad trades dont do this to monta too i mean KG is KG and all who would skip on a deal for him but there's alot of other guys on the roster that should be traded instead of our best bet future player

 

If Ellis gets shipped it's because the organization believes that Baron Davis is the spotlight point guard not Monta. And while that is true right now and but not later, we never know if Baron might have to retire due to these constant injuries he seems to have. In that case, I'd like to turn to Ellis to save the franchise.

Also, the organization might believe that Baron could be healthy for once or he's just exaggerating injuries with the way he played in the playoffs and late regular season. I guess if the Warriors felt they could extend KG for additional years and keep a lethal combo of two MVP candidates in Baron and KG, this franchise would have a chance at a ring if they build the rest of the team correctly. KG can still be good for a lot of years if the Warriors can extend him somehow...

I also heard that KG might be staying in Minny though. It's hard to tell with guys like KG and Bryant saying one thing and then saying they'll stick with it and that they were sorry for getting all mad and wanting out.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Someone explain to me why we're thinking of trading a guy that was M.I.P. last year and has a bright future...</div>

Because the 2 and 3 are the easiest positions to fill, especially in a running system. His trade value is extremely high right now, and if it means getting a dominating front court player, then I as well as many, say Bon voyage.

 

Trade Kicker + $22 mill salary + 1 year opt out.

Would you trade your future to rent a Ferrari for a weekend?

Minny's OWNER weas directly quoted that KG asked to NOT be traded now and so Minnesota is not listening to further offers. An unusually blunt statement that KG is not on the block

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Would you trade your future to rent a Ferrari for a weekend?</div>

1st of all, no GM in their right mind would make that deal without an agreement in place for an extension.

Assuming that Ellis is not replaceable is where many of us differ. I'm in the camp that he's not only replaceable, but fairly easily replaceable. His decision making is et to be seen, and the system made him excel before he's ready. Don't get me wrong, I think he's goin to be a star, but "the future" is a bit excessive.

I think the question is, would you give up a shot at a future all-star for the most unique talent in the league?

 

I'm not arguing, nor have I ever, that Ellis is not a very good player. But to compare this to the Gilbert situation is pointless, I feel. You have to evaluate situations on a case by case basis. Ellis and Arenas are completely different players. Gilbert is much bigger and stronger than Ellis is, and is able to both outquick and overmuscle other guards at the point. Ellis, while supremely quick, is very, very slight of build, and in his short career has already had quite a few of those "oh my god, he just shattered something in ten places" moments. Some have pointed to Reggie Miller as an example a player excelling despite being that skinny, but that's a little off as well, because Miller was so tall, and played a style rolling off screens that minimized how often he would go crashing into the lane trying to dive for a layup.

Basically, Ellis' body and the style of game he plays are extreme mismatchs. I'm very doubtful as to whether he'll stay healthy the next few years.

 

Just curious. I don't really remember. But what kind of body did Iverson have when he entered the league? Is it similar to Ellis? I like to think that Ellis could develope into a Tony Parker type of player. Are their bodies that different? Is Tony that much stronger?

I agree that he plays with a sort of controlled recklessness. We know about his knees, but i think that cheap shot by Posey that knocked his shoulder was kind of a fluke play.

Rip Hamilton comes to mind a little as well. I know much taller but t. Prince is not exactly a ripped stud.

Guess i am trying to be optimistic.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not arguing, nor have I ever, that Ellis is not a very good player. But to compare this to the Gilbert situation is pointless, I feel. You have to evaluate situations on a case by case basis. Ellis and Arenas are completely different players. Gilbert is much bigger and stronger than Ellis is, and is able to both outquick and overmuscle other guards at the point. Ellis, while supremely quick, is very, very slight of build, and in his short career has already had quite a few of those "oh my god, he just shattered something in ten places" moments. Some have pointed to Reggie Miller as an example a player excelling despite being that skinny, but that's a little off as well, because Miller was so tall, and played a style rolling off screens that minimized how often he would go crashing into the lane trying to dive for a layup.

Basically, Ellis' body and the style of game he plays are extreme mismatchs. I'm very doubtful as to whether he'll stay healthy the next few years.</div>


He might build up his muscle and get bigger, or at least I hope he does. Remember, all big time players like Jordan, Kobe, T-mac were skinny when they came into the league. Ellis will just have to add some muscle.

 

Ellis is a young pup. Remember, he came out of high school. All great players make the adjustment and do what they need to do to excel in the league, be it gain weight, lose weight, run faster, dribble better, whatever.

Monta is going to be great for a long time.

 

I'm fine with keeping Monta. He's got potential to be an all-star one day if he can improve his perimeter shooting. Now that we got Marco, one of them should be able to get free for an open shot. Marco's a fantastic draft pick because he looks like he'll be able to contribute some right away.

I'm not as confident at the PF spot even though we got Brandon Wright. Wright may take some time to develop and we can't count on his playing major minute right away. Today, I heard Seattle was able to get Kurt Thomas in a deal which seemed like a steal for them. They get Thomas and two first round picks from the Suns. With Thomas' making $8+ M this year, they may be willing to part with one of their PFs -- either Nick Collison or Chris Wilcox. If Wilcox becomes available, he'd be a good fit here. Maybe we could offer Cabbages and filler to get him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAYjVD-37xQ

 

Actually--don't hope he gets much bigger...because speed and explosion are the keys to his game. He needs a bit more control to his dribble,specifically has to be able to dribble lower/harder in traffic,needs to work on stamina so his speed edge grows as the game goes on

 

<div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm fine with keeping Monta. He's got potential to be an all-star one day if he can improve his perimeter shooting. Now that we got Marco, one of them should be able to get free for an open shot. Marco's a fantastic draft pick because he looks like he'll be able to contribute some right away.

I'm not as confident at the PF spot even though we got Brandon Wright. Wright may take some time to develop and we can't count on his playing major minute right away. Today, I heard Seattle was able to get Kurt Thomas in a deal which seemed like a steal for them. They get Thomas and two first round picks from the Suns. With Thomas' making $8+ M this year, they may be willing to part with one of their PFs -- either Nick Collison or Chris Wilcox. If Wilcox becomes available, he'd be a good fit here. Maybe we could offer Cabbages and filler to get him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAYjVD-37xQ</div>

The Suns did end up getting 2 first round draft picks from the Sonics I believe. That could come up big for the Suns in 08 and 2010. But yeah, that luxury tax is a bugger for teams/management, which I think is the main reason the Suns made the deal.

There are some players that catch my eye from Seattle. Wilcox and Collison would be interesting fits here on the Warriors. I am also interested in Luke Ridnour's services.

But yeah, Ellis should be good. At least he is a better shooter than a younger Larry Hughes, as far as my memory can tell. Ellis has a lot of upside.

 

Actually, Suns gave up two first rounders for Sonics' two 2nd rounders. It was a trade I would love for Warriors to make with the exception as well. Since, we have to have a room to resign Biedrins and Monta, we could take an expiring contract + picks for nothing by using an exception. I guess we are still planning something big by using the exception. Now Suns sold like 5 first rounders only because they want to avoid luxury tax...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, Suns gave up two first rounders for Sonics' two 2nd rounders. It was a trade I would love for Warriors to make with the exception as well. Since, we have to have a room to resign Biedrins and Monta, we could take an expiring contract + picks for nothing by using an exception. I guess we are still planning something big by using the exception. Now Suns sold like 5 first rounders only because they want to avoid luxury tax...</div>

Wow, really? Is that the trade? In that case the Sonics came away looking good. I must have read the team names wrong...

 

Yeah. With this deal, Suns saved roughly 16 mils + league rebate, and the price for that was two first rounders. Suns originally tried to cash in Marion for picks like Richardson trade. But, since they couldn't do that, they decided to make Thomas deal instead. Suns now have 8 mils trade exception, but barring from some nice deal like KG, I don't expect them to use it. It isn't as bad as it looks actually, since Suns' 1st rounder and Sonics' 2nd rounder next year won't make too much difference...