ESPN: Magic/Seattle Agree to Sign and Trade

wow
overpaid

 

<div class="quote_poster">TheHighness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm just glad Orlando is willing to spend money on big name free agents. When he starts scoring 22+ pts a game nobody is gunna care how much he makes (as long as we are winning too) It's worth it to me just knowing that Dwight is going to have some help and he's not going to have to do it all by himself like he did last year</div>

The hell with that. He better average about 30ppg and 10rpg and be an All-Star ever year and we better win 5 championships. This is ridiculous. Otis Smith has definitely blown me away. I thought he was considered for GM of the Year. More like Isiah Thomas of the Year.

 

No, no, no, overpaid was at the 80 million mark, but 113......wow.

What happens when Lewis passes his prime and you guys are stuck with the remainder of his contract?

 

<div class="quote_poster">ownage Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, no, no, overpaid was at the 80 million mark, but 113......wow.

What happens when Lewis passes his prime and you guys are stuck with the remainder of his contract?</div>

We're used to it. We had Grant Hill's contract for awhile.

Oh and for anyone else, I think we've hard for 4 pages how much we overpaid for him, so please refrain from posts that say... "wow, overpaid"

 

<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The hell with that. He better average about 30ppg and 10rpg and be an All-Star ever year and we better win 5 championships. This is ridiculous. Otis Smith has definitely blown me away. I thought he was considered for GM of the Year. More like Isiah Thomas of the Year.</div>
Jeryl Sasser, please! Otis Smith should get the name of his own award for a move like that.

Didn't he also trade a first round pick for a one-year rental of Darko Milicic?

Isiah never did a move like that. His worse move was signing Jerome James to a $30M deal, which is four times less money than what Shard got. Shard also doesn't play a lick of defense and is a mediocre to bad rebounder.

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jeryl Sasser, please! Otis Smith should get the name of his own award for a move like that.

Didn't he also trade a first round pick for a one-year rental of Darko Milicic?

Isiah never did a move like that. His worse move was signing Jerome James to a $30M deal, which is four times less money than what Shard got. Shard also doesn't play a lick of defense and is a mediocre to bad rebounder.</div>

7 rebound a game isn't that bad from your sf/sg it's double what we got from Hedo and their both about the same size and type of player.

 

<div class="quote_poster">TheHighness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">7 rebound a game isn't that bad from your sf/sg it's double what we got from Hedo and their both about the same size and type of player.</div>
Lewis is not a SG. He's more of a SF/PF than he is a SG. And for someone 6'10" and athletic I would expect more from him. Also, prior to this season, he averaged 5 rebounds and 5.5 rebounds his last two. Lewis should be getting more than 6.6 rebounds, especially on one of the weaker rebounding teams in the NBA.

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jeryl Sasser, please! Otis Smith should get the name of his own award for a move like that.

Didn't he also trade a first round pick for a one-year rental of Darko Milicic?

Isiah never did a move like that. His worse move was signing Jerome James to a $30M deal, which is four times less money than what Shard got. Shard also doesn't play a lick of defense and is a mediocre to bad rebounder.</div>

We paid 4 times more for Shard then you did for James, but Shard is way more than 4 times the player that Jerome James is.

 

lol, this is an absolutely terrible move by Otis Smith, but he's still no way near as terrible a GM as Isiah Thomas is. He'd have to consistently overpay like this for the next 4-5 years to even make it close.

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jeryl Sasser, please! Otis Smith should get the name of his own award for a move like that.

Didn't he also trade a first round pick for a one-year rental of Darko Milicic?

Isiah never did a move like that. His worse move was signing Jerome James to a $30M deal, which is four times less money than what Shard got. Shard also doesn't play a lick of defense and is a mediocre to bad rebounder.</div>

First off, he didn't draft Jeryl Sasser. Second off, yeah we did trade a 1st round pick which was a 15th choice anyways and we got cap room and Darko for one year and Arroyo. Also, what about Jared Jeffries?? Jerome James is absolute garbage. At least Rashard Lewis has made an All-Star game. He's 4X more valuable than James is. He sits on your bench for crying out loud. He isn't a bad rebounder. He doesn't need to be good especially here with Dwight.

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lewis is not a SG. He's more of a SF/PF than he is a SG. And for someone 6'10" and athletic I would expect more from him. Also, prior to this season, he averaged 5 rebounds and 5.5 rebounds his last two. Lewis should be getting more than 6.6 rebounds, especially on one of the weaker rebounding teams in the NBA.</div>

I said sg because his style of play is closer to a sg than a pf. He is a wing player not a post player so 7 rebound for a player who is on the perimeter 70-80% of the time is pretty damn good. name another perimeter player that gets 7 a game. People think just becouse he's tall he should get rebounds well yes he is tall but remember he is just 220ibs. Labron is 2 inches shorter, 20ibs heavier and played more mins. and still had the same total and nobody criticized his rebounding.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">First off, he didn't draft Jeryl Sasser. Second off, yeah we did trade a 1st round pick which was a 15th choice anyways and we got cap room and Darko for one year and Arroyo. Also, what about Jared Jeffries?? Jerome James is absolute garbage. At least Rashard Lewis has made an All-Star game. He's 4X more valuable than James is. He sits on your bench for crying out loud. He isn't a bad rebounder. He doesn't need to be good especially here with Dwight.</div>
I know he didn’t draft Jeryl Sasser, I never said he did. And the 15th pick is a solid draft pick. Put it like this, anyone in this draft would have been of more help than Darko, who signed with another team. So basically, the Magic traded a first round pick for Arroyo, an undrafted player who averaged 4 points and shot 36% in the playoffs.

And Rashard Lewis is probably even more than four times as valuable as James, but there’s a huge difference. James, being bad, didn’t cripple the Knicks salary cap. He just prolonged it slightly. Shard is good and all but he got a $120M contract which will completely cripple the Magic salary for the next six years (until he’s 34 and well past his prime). But what’s even more moronic about the move is the fact the Magic already signed him to a $75M deal, which he agreed to. Then they trade a second round pick to sign him to even more money.

He’s not that good of a rebounder. I said he’s average to bad but he’s picked up last season. However, his previous seasons he averaged around 5 boards, which is bad for someone with his size and athleticism.

My point about it was no GM in the league would do that move, but Otis. No one.

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know he didn’t draft Jeryl Sasser, I never said he did. And the 15th pick is a solid draft pick. Put it like this, anyone in this draft would have been of more help than Darko, who signed with another team. So basically, the Magic traded a first round pick for Arroyo, an undrafted player who averaged 4 points and shot 36% in the playoffs. </div>

I agree with you there. Good teams don't throw away assets, the Magic have with Zaza, Varejeao, Darko, Fran, and now this 1st. You gotta get something for him. All the talk about creative finances and then he signs this contract.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And Rashard Lewis is probably even more than four times as valuable as James, but there’s a huge difference. James, being bad, didn’t cripple the Knicks salary cap. He just prolonged it slightly. Shard is good and all but he got a $120M contract which will completely cripple the Magic salary for the next six years (until he’s 34 and well past his prime). But what’s even more moronic about the move is the fact the Magic already signed him to a $75M deal, which he agreed to. Then they trade a second round pick to sign him to even more money. </div>

No one player could cripple the Knicks salary cap. They are completely crippled already. But that is not the point of this thread. So please everyone stop talking about the Knicks mismanagement of salaries. A Knicks fan is allowed to tell someone that we overpaid when we did in fact overpay. So stop jumping on his team when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The Magic wouldn't have had any cap space anyway for the next several years with Dwight's already new extension and Jameer/Ariza/JJ all going to be signed to extensions in the next couple of years so really the only person who should be bothered by this signing is the owner and obviously he doesn't mind and will start shelling out the luxury tax for our team to succeed. The Magic will still have the MLE to use and they have actually been somewhat successful with the MLE signing Hedo Turkoglu and Juwan Howard. Laugh if you want about Juwan Howard, but he still produced for the Magic the year we had him. I'm not too worried about that and the fact that we still have plenty of assets to trade to improve the PF position.

The way that I understand the situation is that we agreed on a max contract for Shard, not the set $75 million. We weren't sure exactly what the new salary cap would be and $75 mil was the expected price. The max ended up being $95 mil or so if we signed him straight up. I really don't understand the sign and trade to give up a 2nd round pick to add more money, but like I said, we weren't really going to be needing salary cap room anytime in the near future anyway so I don't have too much of a problem with it. We'll have to spend a little more money at the end of his contract with the bonus year, but we aren't likely to be under the cap anyway. We did make sure he has to meet a certain amount of criteria to get the 6th year fully guaranteed.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He’s not that good of a rebounder. I said he’s average to bad but he’s picked up last season. However, his previous seasons he averaged around 5 boards, which is bad for someone with his size and athleticism. </div>

Again, he's played on the perimeter for his entire career. He's not going to run up and crash the boards when it's not his game. We signed him to spread the floor for Dwight and put up points, not rebound. Anyway we have Dwight/Ariza to do that for us right now. If we do in fact play him at PF then I will be very worried about his defense and rebounding ability, but I'm still going to think that he is going to be our starting SF this year.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My point about it was no GM in the league would do that move, but Otis. No one.</div>

I agree.

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I'm gonna wait until the season to see what our roster looks like and see how good him and Dwight gel together. Supposedly they are already pretty close friends and Dwight loves him. Plenty of people are overpaid, but as long as our overpaid player will produce near all-star numbers and stays healthy I won't be too disappointed. For all we know the addition of Shard will help make Dwight a superstar and he could improve himself and be an all-star player the next couple of year. Now it's just up to Otis Smith to put a little more talent around them and he could start by a) getting Fran over or trading any of our wings for a big man.

 

I think we gotta trade Turkoglu for a big. No need to have 2 6'10 SFs on the squad that do exactly the same thing. Trade Turkoglu for a big man.

 

Isaiah Thomas and Mitch Kupchack better have a warm welcome for Otis Smith in the Greenhorns of NBA GMs Club. Being a lotto team isn't so bad when you are pretty much guaranteed a top 5 pick AND Gilbert Arenas. Hell, with this kind of money we could have made a move for Kobe in 2 years.

Someone a while ago posted that Shard was just using us as a bidding tool in order to get a bigger contract from someone else. Well, it looks like it worked. He had a few weeks in the time period after he verbally agreed to where he signed did he not? My bet is that he used that time to run around with our contract offer looking for matches, and probably got one. Otis then, with bidder-itus, decided to come way over the top to win. I can't see any other logical conclusions. Unless of course, we're all idiots and Otis sees something we don't.

The other factor could be that new stadium we're trying to build. Hyping up a player and overpaying will surely get something built.