<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">For some odd reason I sincerely doubt this. If this was the case, you wouldn't have avoided answering this question for so long. As it is, why don't you think he'll be successful? He's got a solid post game, he's a great athlete, a solid mid range game, etc. Essentially, he's got all the tools to be a very good NBA player, so why don't you think he can't be? And please, do NOT give me that "he's a rookie" or "he's foreign" crap. I've already pretty much disproved both those instances. So please, give a legitimate reason, cause honestly, I don't see why he can't be successful at this level, and you're about the only one who feels he's not worthy of starting for you and being successful.</div> It's a never ending argument with you guys. First it's "Rock4life refuses to ansnwer our questions". Then when I answer the damn question you question my answer The Rockets are tryin to win a ring NOW. In order for us to be a legit contender, we're gonna need to have major contributions from that position. Given the grind of the season can be gruesome, including the playoffs, I think it's only right we have a veteran starting for us at PF. Considering who we'll be facing in playoffs (Phoenix, San Antonio, Dallas etc..), our powerfoward will have to be able to do some SERIOUS defending. He'll have to know the tricks of the trade. I don't think Scola's ready to take on that burdeon yet. I think that's fair.........
Rock, one thing you assume is that a team's starters are EVERYTHING. This is the REAL NBA, not nba live or 2k7 where all you do is play your starters. Our power forward position isn't the strongest, yes that's right, but given our resources and available players (who actually want ot play for us) I doubt we can get a really big signing, What I'm saying is that if Scola and Hayes shares the PT relatively equally, it doesn't matter if Scola is our starter. Of course, you hate Hayes too so it's no win in your opnion i take it. As discussed in other threads, the Francis acquisition gives up opportunities to trade other players for a goof PF. Even then, I assume a PF we trade will be around the same skill level as Scola... but gettin one with vet experience, as you've mentioned, would be nice. That way they can split the minutes up.
<div class="quote_poster">dakeem1 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Rock, one thing you assume is that a team's starters are EVERYTHING. This is the REAL NBA, not nba live or 2k7 where all you do is play your starters. Our power forward position isn't the strongest, yes that's right, but given our resources and available players (who actually want ot play for us) I doubt we can get a really big signing, What I'm saying is that if Scola and Hayes shares the PT relatively equally, it doesn't matter if Scola is our starter. Of course, you hate Hayes too so it's no win in your opnion i take it.</div> That's the problem...I don't think that combo of Scola/Hayes is good enuff to compete on a high level against the elite teams. You do understand that Scola's the one that's gonna be guarding the Duncan's, Stoudamire's, Dirk's & Boozer's. I'm not comfortable with that. I'd rather have somebody that's actually battled with those guys before.
The thing I don't get R4L is why you're so concerned with the PF spot. Scola and Hayes should both be able to do an adequate job next year in their roles. And honestly, no matter who you put out there, you're still not going to be able to stop the Stoudemire's or Duncan's of the NBA because they're just too good. And I'm still wondering as to who on your roster you're going to trade to bring in a PF that's good enough in your eyes. You've constantly thrown around the idea of KMart, but you never said how you're going to get him. I don't get why you can't be content with Scola. He's going to be solid and probably more productive than KMart. Hell, and if all else fails, he by all means will likely be more healthy than him. I honestly think you should at least wait until you see him play before you go saying he's not good enough.
Seriously Rock, debating with you is incredibly frustrating. It took me 3 attempts to make you respond to my first question. And then, after answering it and replying with "next question" you completely ignore my follow-up.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Seriously Rock, debating with you is incredibly frustrating. It took me 3 attempts to make you respond to my first question. And then, after answering it and replying with "next question" you completely ignore my follow-up.</div>He also ignored my question when I asked him as to why he doesn't think he'll be successful.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Seriously Rock, debating with you is incredibly frustrating. It took me 3 attempts to make you respond to my first question. And then, after answering it and replying with "next question" you completely ignore my follow-up.</div> The problem isn't me, it's YOU. Ur whole thing is "Rock4life doesn't answer questions". But when I answer ur silly question, then you question THAT. It's a never-ending process with you guys (and can be equally frustrating). I've already went over my main points. <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The thing I don't get R4L is why you're so concerned with the PF spot. Scola and Hayes should both be able to do an adequate job next year in their roles. And honestly, no matter who you put out there, you're still not going to be able to stop the Stoudemire's or Duncan's of the NBA because they're just too good. And I'm still wondering as to who on your roster you're going to trade to bring in a PF that's good enough in your eyes. You've constantly thrown around the idea of KMart, but you never said how you're going to get him. I don't get why you can't be content with Scola. He's going to be solid and probably more productive than KMart. Hell, and if all else fails, he by all means will likely be more healthy than him. I honestly think you should at least wait until you see him play before you go saying he's not good enough.</div> Ur logic is twisted. Just because nobody can stop the Duncan's & Stoudamire's of the league, doesn't mean you just throw a rookie out there to defend them. You can indeed find somebody who can atleast give them problems, enuff to maybe contain them. If ur lookin for that, Scola is NOT that. You can throw all these European stats out there, but the fact is he's gonna have problems guarding NBA powerfowards. I can see Stoudamire averaging 40pts against us next year. Also, I think playin Hayes more than 30mins a game will eventually hurt us. I understand Chuck Hayes is alot you guys HERO, but he's still a liability on offense and terribly undersized. As much as he makes up for in hustle, we lose as much in his lack of offense. I'm not feeling a Scola/Hayes rotation at all.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The problem isn't me, it's YOU. Ur whole thing is "Rock4life doesn't answer questions". But when I answer ur silly question, then you question THAT. It's a never-ending process with you guys (and can be equally frustrating). I've already went over my main points.</div> As I said before. Just like a politician. Ignore the details. Stick with the main talking points. Lie if you have to make your points more relavent.. "I was the son of a worker"="I saw Luis Scola play". Any time your points are proven wrong, ignore them and continue sticking to the talking points.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The problem isn't me, it's YOU. Ur whole thing is "Rock4life doesn't answer questions". But when I answer ur silly question, then you question THAT. It's a never-ending process with you guys (and can be equally frustrating). I've already went over my main points.</div>How are they sill questions? I think they've been all rather logical. How is asking you if you've ever seen him play silly? Or why is it silly to ask you why you don't think he'll be effective? How is that silly, I don't get it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ur logic is twisted. Just because nobody can stop the Duncan's & Stoudamire's of the league, doesn't mean you just throw a rookie out there to defend them. You can indeed find somebody who can atleast give them problems, enuff to maybe contain them. If ur lookin for that, Scola is NOT that. You can throw all these European stats out there, but the fact is he's gonna have problems guarding NBA powerfowards. I can see Stoudamire averaging 40pts against us next year. Also, I think playin Hayes more than 30mins a game will eventually hurt us. I understand Chuck Hayes is alot you guys HERO, but he's still a liability on offense and terribly undersized. As much as he makes up for in hustle, we lose as much in his lack of offense. I'm not feeling a Scola/Hayes rotation at all.</div>It's not really twisted. No matter who you throw out there, they're going to get theirs. Do you honestly think KMart could do better than Scola or Hayes? I doubt it. He's had two microfracture surgeries in less than two years, and that's going to hurt his defensive and offensive capabilities. And also, what makes you think Scola will have issues? You claim you've seen him play, so prove it here. Why don't you think Scola can be an adequate defender in the NBA? What about his defensive game do you think is not going to be effective? I'm awfully curious here. You throw all this crap out there but you NEVER give reasons, ever. And also, I don't know how many times I have to go over this, Scola is only a rookie in the sense that it's his first year in the league. He's not your everyday, run of the mill rookie. He's 27 years old and been playing pro ball for a decade. His experience is NOT going to be an issue for him. He's got plenty of pro experience, as opposed to a lot of other foreigners that come to the league. So please, just stop bringing up the "he's a rookie" crap. It doesn't really relate to him simply because of how long he's been playing in the NBA. And again, I also point out that just because you're a rookie, doesn't mean you can't succeed, but apparently you haven't gotten that point yet, nor have you gotten the point that he's not your regular rookie. So, Rock, why don't you answer this question for me. Why don't you think he can be an adequate defender against the upper tier PFs in the league? Please, humor me and actually answer this instead of ignoring it, like you have everything else.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">The problem isn't me, it's YOU. Ur whole thing is "Rock4life doesn't answer questions". But when I answer ur silly question, then you question THAT. It's a never-ending process with you guys (and can be equally frustrating). I've already went over my main points.</div> So, you're frustrated with me because I expect you to provide an explanation for your opinions? Honestly, that's just how debates work. And it'd be a hell of a lot easier if I didn't have to post 3 or 4 times to get you to respond to a simple question. Besides, after answering my first question you also added "Next question...", which I'm assuming meant you were expecting a follow-up. I don't see how I've been unreasonable in this thread. I've given you the benefit of the doubt several times and I'm just looking to understand how you came to your opinion, so that we could have a proper discussion. If you don't want to explain yourself, why are you even posting in this thread?
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> If ur lookin for that, Scola is NOT that. You can throw all these European stats out there, but the fact is he's gonna have problems guarding NBA powerfowards. I can see Stoudamire averaging 40pts against us next year.</div> you don't strike me as one to just slip sarcasm in a paragraph so I'm gonna spare you embarrassment. 1) You are extremely dumb if you think the PF gaurds the other PF at all times. Rock4life...you have probably played basketball in your life because then you wouldn't be a rockets fan, but even you know that it is all about transition D and rotational D. It is a team effort and not just Scola. Yes it is Scola's assignment and Yes he will be gaurding him most of the time, But there is always the other 2 D's that i stated above. Common, you really expect stoudemire to average 40 points on us. You can exaggerate all you want, but no way does anyone average even 30 points on us unless their name is Kobe and even then he has a ****** team where no one can make a shot. Next time you want to attack some one. make your comments realistic. 2) PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GO BACK ABOUT 2 PAGES....READ EACH OF MY POSTS IN CONTRAST WITH YOURS AND ANSWER ALL MY QUESTIONS. You haven't answered one yet.
I mean realistically. You expect me to answer 50 different questions, and won't be satisfied with ANYTHING I say. So what's the point? Ex: Have you watched Scola play?Yea. NO YOU HAVEN'T UR LYING. LOL I mean you guys aren't bein very logical. However, post ur questions, and I'll respond to them one by one................Go ahead
Honestly man, I'm tired of this. If you really wanted to answer the questions, you would've done it the first time instead of ignoring them and sidestepping everything. If you still want to, go back and find them, because most of us have already posted them like 4 times. I think you came into this thread with a negative opinion already in your head. You say you've seen Scola play in a couple games so that gives you some credibility, but it took you a ridiculous amount of time to answer that question and you've yet to directly reference anything about his game. So that leads me to believe that either you're lying about seeing him play or you haven't seen much of him <u>(again, prove me wrong on this by answering my last question)</u>. As far as I'm concerned, your opinion holds no weight until you stop all this nonsense. (And for the record, I've never said you were lying. But I am skeptical, now that you've repeatedly refused to answer me).
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I mean realistically. You expect me to answer 50 different questions, and won't be satisfied with ANYTHING I say. So what's the point? Ex: Have you watched Scola play?Yea. NO YOU HAVEN'T UR LYING. LOL I mean you guys aren't bein very logical. However, post ur questions, and I'll respond to them one by one................Go ahead</div> Give me a list of players that is realistically attainable...and when I say this I mean back your story of being a Solid Veteran. Definition of a solid veteran- A player who has played in the league for a significant amount of time who has proven to be effective. Examples: Micheal Finley, Robert Horry, Jason Kidd. Just so you don't make an arguement...I just gave you examples of players without giving regard to if they were realistically attainable. Note: Chris Webber has said he will only go to Dallas or Detroit. Kenyon Martin can only be gotten through trade...and his contract is so huge we would have to give up to many players (overpay for him). So give me this list and if you can do me the pleasure of backing your arguements. If you list a player that we have to trade for...who do we trade to get him, etc. AND PLEASE DONT GIVE ME THAT MESSED UP LIST YOU MADE ON THE FIRST COUPLE PAGES. THAT WASN't SUFFICEINT ENOUGH.
Of course its YOU Rock. You would at least have ONE supporter if it weren't. It's not what you say Rock, it's how you say it. You also have a tendency to bring up really old posts just because you "foresaw" the future. Seriously man, an A**HOLE does his best to prove everyone wrong and make himself look like a hero. A good guy simply steps back when he knows he was right. So even if you are right about this or that, why do you have to make a big deal about it?
How are our questions unreasonable? Most of us have all posted the same questions, you just refuse to answer them for some reason. If you've seen Scola play, why did you beat around the bush and avoid the question for so long? How hard was it to say "Yes, I've seen him play." I don't see the difficulty in that. If you'd have done that a lot sooner, than maybe I'd hold it with a little more credibility, but since you took so long, that's why I doubt it to be true. The second question that has been pretty universal is why do you feel he won't be effective, and again, you've yet to answer that. So please, Mr. Rock4Life, would you answer that question for me. It would be much appreciated, you know, now that we're onto the 6th page and I asked it way earlier. Really, aside from those two questions, not much more has been asked of you. The only thing we've been doubting is your reasoning, or lack thereof. And beyond that, you're ludicrous trade proposals (i.e. Kenyon Martin). So really, this would have been a lot simpler had you just come out and answered questions instead of avoiding them for so long.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How are our questions unreasonable? Most of us have all posted the same questions, you just refuse to answer them for some reason. If you've seen Scola play, why did you beat around the bush and avoid the question for so long? How hard was it to say "Yes, I've seen him play." I don't see the difficulty in that. If you'd have done that a lot sooner, than maybe I'd hold it with a little more credibility, but since you took so long, that's why I doubt it to be true. The second question that has been pretty universal is why do you feel he won't be effective, and again, you've yet to answer that. So please, Mr. Rock4Life, would you answer that question for me. It would be much appreciated, you know, now that we're onto the 6th page and I asked it way earlier.</div> I've ALREADY answered this. First off, all I stated was he wouldn't be effective, as a STARTER. From the games I've watched, Scola's got good all around game. But he doesn't do any one thing great. His defense might be a lil suspect as well. Are you guys reading my posts or just skimming thru them <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Really, aside from those two questions, not much more has been asked of you. The only thing we've been doubting is your reasoning, or lack thereof. And beyond that, you're ludicrous trade proposals (i.e. Kenyon Martin). So really, this would have been a lot simpler had you just come out and answered questions instead of avoiding them for so long.</div> Can you post my trade proposal for Kenyon Martin? Name the players I thru out there and everything. Thank you In all actuality, I got the Kenyon Martin idea from 610 radio last week. So you are not only disagreeing with Rock, ur disagreeing with the jocks at the radiostation also. Interesting
Yea, since we all know radio jocks are not people with opinions, but experts on all sports able to make the correct choices 100% of the time. I guess Charlie Rosen is an expert as well by your books too. Since Drexler is also an sports analyst, that makes him an expert as well. Once again you neatly sidestepped everything you were wrong about.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I've ALREADY answered this. First off, all I stated was he wouldn't be effective, as a STARTER. From the games I've watched, Scola's got good all around game. But he doesn't do any one thing great. His defense might be a lil suspect as well. Are you guys reading my posts or just skimming thru them</div>Usually having a good all around game equates to a good career, maybe not all star worthy, but good nonetheless. Take in point Brandon Roy. He does nothing spectacularly but everything well, and he won the ROY last year. So, really, I don't see the issue. If he does everything well, what's so bad about that? And why is his defense suspect? From my understanding, he's actually a rather solid defensive player. And by the way, the way you answered the question is still kind of dancing around it. You never pointed out any specifics, you just generalized. But whatever, I've come to expect this of you. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Can you post my trade proposal for Kenyon Martin? Name the players I thru out there and everything. Thank you</div>You see, that's the issue. You threw the idea out there, but never said anything about what you'd give up. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In all actuality, I got the Kenyon Martin idea from 610 radio last week. So you are not only disagreeing with Rock, ur disagreeing with the jocks at the radiostation also. Interesting</div>Because radio jockies are always right So I'm wondering, do you form your own opinions, or just base off the garbage you hear on the radio and TV. Cause honestly, half of the clowns on there don't really know what their talking about most of the time. And beyond that, they're also wrong more often than they are right. To show how smart they are, just take a look at that trade. Trading for KMart is simply put, retarded. He's had to microfracture surgeries in a year. That's a killer to someone who relies heavily on his athleticism to get by. His offensive game is pitiful in the halfcourt. The only reason he's ever had any type of success is because of Jason Kidd. He consistently found him wide open for a lot of easy layups and dunks. In essence, most of his points were off easy looks or putbacks. So really, I don't see why you'd want him. Outside of his limited ability in the halfcourt and history of injuries, he's got a terrible contract. But hey, apparently you think it'd do well for the team, even though he'll probably only play half the season.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">... In all actuality, I got the Kenyon Martin idea from 610 radio last week. So you are not only disagreeing with Rock, ur disagreeing with the jocks at the radiostation also. Interesting</div> <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We can go back and forth with comments from other ppl, I'm going off what I believe not some smuck or stat nerd. Juwan Howard still has some game left, I could careless what this guy has to say.</div> You used other people's opinion to your advantage. But when it contradicts your opinion, you would "careless about what the guys has to say". Very interesting.....
