http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127 Celtics get: KG Wolves get Al Jefferson Gerald Green Sebastian Telfair Ryan Gomes Theo Ratliff and 2 future 1rd picks Sounds like a hell of a haul for the Wolves!
This Timberwolves team is a future championship team for sure. Al Jefferson, Corey Brewer, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Randy Foye, and more. This team is gonna be sick in a few years.
Thats what I was thinking this team is now loaded with young talent, and actually got a lot from trading him, when on the other side we probably would have missed the playoffs again and let him walk away from us w/o anything in return. Celtics better win a champ in like 2 years or they are screwed.
I don't like this trade. We have way too many players to keep happy right now. If we don't shorten our lineup and make some people unhappy we won't be able to develop all this young talent. I really hope we don't let Telfair start. I think Foye is actually going to turn into a really good scoring point guard. We now have a massive log jam at the wing and pf. We have Juwan, Smith, Jefferson and Gomes at the 4. Plus we have Mccants, Foye, Green, Brewer, Hassell, Ricky Davis, Jaric, and Gomes at the 2 and 3. Someone is gonna have to sit.
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't like this trade. We have way too many players to keep happy right now. If we don't shorten our lineup and make some people unhappy we won't be able to develop all this young talent. I really hope we don't let Telfair start. I think Foye is actually going to turn into a really good scoring point guard. We now have a massive log jam at the wing and pf. We have Juwan, Smith, Jefferson and Gomes at the 4. Plus we have Mccants, Foye, Green, Brewer, Hassell, Ricky Davis, Jaric, and Gomes at the 2 and 3. Someone is gonna have to sit.</div> Move Howard or Blount to Chicago for Noah Gomes has a good inside-outside game and can play the 3 too (just wanted to add that). Telfair already has a bad taste to me since he has A) not proven any of potential that he supposedly has, and He's a family member of Marbury.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BOSTON, July 30 (AP) -- Kevin Garnett is leaving Minnesota after the Boston Celtics agreed to acquire the All-Star forward in a multiplayer trade with the Timberwolves, a Celtics official told The Associated Press on Monday. Among the players who could be headed to Minnesota are forward Al Jefferson, guard Sebastian Telfair, swingman Gerald Green and center Theo Ratliff, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been completed. The official also said the Timberwolves would get at least one draft choice. The teams still had some things to clarify with the players' contracts, but the official said that would not keep the Celtics from acquiring Garnett, although there could be a change in the players ticketed for the Timberwolves. Garnett, 31, has spent all of his 12 NBA seasons with Minnesota. He would get an extension of his contract, which has one year plus an option year remaining, the official said. The Celtics had tried to get Garnett late last month, but his agent said he didn't want to go to Boston.</div> Source If this is true, you guys give McHale too little credit. He realized that with KG, they aren't going anywhere in the "Wild" West. With futures such as Portland and Seattle, he made a very wise move. He traded for (good) young talent. You guys, Fresh in particular if he actually gives him a chance, will be impressed with how much upside Jefferson has. The kid averaged 16 ppg, 11 rpg, and 1.5 bpg his third year in the league after finally getting some minutes. You guys also picked up Green, who can pan out quite nicely to be honest. Then finally you get Ratliff's expiring, and Telfair who can potentially be a problem with his off the court problems. Still, if Telfair can get his head together and follow Foye's lead, he can be a pretty solid bench player for you guys. Something I noticed, is how much potential your team holds at almost every position: PG - Foye/Telfair SG - McCants/Green SF - Brewer PF - Jefferson/Smith Just notable people alone, this isn't taking into account who they'll get with their draft picks, or how Richards can pan out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BOSTON - The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal. </div> Source Wow. You guys definitely have one hell of a future.
Jefferson and Green are the centerpieces. They get back their pick from the Wally-Davis trade, and most likely, low-mid 20's pick from the C's. Telfair= Garbage/NBDL/Europe bound Gomes= A FA after 2008 Basically the Wolves are the old Celtics. They can put out a lineup of: PG Telfair SG Ricky Davis SF Gerald Green PF Al Jefferson -C Mark Blount 6th Man: Gomes Kinda freaky how it turned out.
C - Mark Blount | Theo Ratliff | Chris Richard PF - Al Jefferson | Juwan Howard | Craig Smith | Mark Madsen SF - Corey Brewer | Ryan Gomes | Marko Jaric SG - Ricky Davis | Gerald Green | Rashad McCants PG - Randy Foye | Sebastian Telfair Thats a team with alot of potential. The only problem now is with Green / McCants, will there be enough room on this team for the both of them?
If the Celtics don't end up reaching their potential with a trio like Pierce, Allen, and Garnett, then the Timberwolves look like they're gonna come out as winners in this deal. They're best chance at the title was a few years back with guys like Cassell and Sprewell in the lineup, but that's been over and the Timberwolves haven't gotten anyone to help out KG lately. Now this is a great deal pulled off by the T-wolves not only bringing in a young and fresh talent like Jefferson who can become a replacement for KG in the following years and a flashy scorer like Gerald Green, but acquiring Ratliff's expiring contract and 2 first rounders, will set themselves up for a big off-season next year. Expect this team to get better in the next few years. The Celtics look like they will reach the ECF and maybe the Finals, they still don't seperate themselves from the rising teams in the Eastern Conference or the dominance in the West. If they're going to rely on Rajon Rondo to handle the ball, then they need to make sure his focus is spreading the ball around at the right times with the trio.
I like these trade, KG is not getting any younger and will not be the same as he used to, you guys get 3 all-star potential players in a few years maybe 4, + you guys get 2 first round picks, great trade!
I still hate this trade. The Hawks have had "potential" for the last 5 years. Last years celtics team had "potential" and look what their record was. Now I'm sure some of these guys are actually gonna be pretty dang good (Brewer, Foye, Smith, and Jefferson) i am very skeptical of pretty much everyone else. Plus with our drafting skill those future picks aren't very enticing. Plus, we traded one of the greatest players of all time still in his prime for potential. It just saddens me i guess that Mchale effed up so many freaking times he makes up for by trading away "The Franchise." It wasn't just a nickname, he really is the timberwolves entire franchise.
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">O, and does anyone think that Jefferson is going to be as good as KG?</div> No, but he has all the tools to be a solid 20/10 guy for you. I also don't know why you're so down on Gerald Green, Fresh. Like VC has said, he can become a pretty solid defender if he bulks up. He also averaged, what, 20 ppg during a stretch of the season when he finally got minutes? He already has a nice jumpshot, if he took his defender off the dribble like VC says, and, like I said, bulked up, he could be something special. PG - Foye SG - Green SF - Brewer PF - Jefferson Bench: Smith, McCants, and Gomes. ^That's a solid future imo. Plus, you guys get an extra 2 draft picks, so there's no telling who you'll land in the next draft(s).
I'm down on him because he was getting shopped like crazy before this trade. If he is as ready as you think he is then why couldn't he break the rotation of the second worst team in the league? I just think that we aren't getting as good of a deal as everyone thinks. Most of the great young talent that we have now, is the great young talent that we already had. Sure, Jefferson is probably going to be a solid player, but Green is a big question mark, Telfair sucks, and Gomes is a solid role player that may not even crack our rotation. So we are getting 2 future picks in the high 20's most likely, an expiring contract, and a young possibly all-star for the face of our franchise and one of the best players in nba history. I'm glad KG gets a chance at a title but i really don't think that Mchale made a good move for our team at all.
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">O, and does anyone think that Jefferson is going to be as good as KG?</div> I think Jefferson will be just as good as Garnett, offensively. Defensively, he'll never be close.
<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Jefferson will be just as good as Garnett, offensively. Defensively, he'll never be close.</div> As good? or average the same amount of points? Can Jefferson really hit three's and fadeaway 18 footers? I doubt he is going to be as good of a penetrater either. I really hope he can be a great down-low presence though because we have never had that before. KG was much more of a perimeter scorer.
From what I've heard of Jefferson though, he's a great post scorer. Remember one thing, a lot of people blew off the request for post scoring stating that we have KG....but KG was not a dominant post-scorer. He faded away %85 of the time. Unlike a "Duncan" who made his moves towards the rim so he could get the put-back. I haven't really seen the Celtics but I do hope that Jefferson can score towards the basket. Remember also that when we went cold from the field, we didn't really have any inside points until Craig Smith came in so a lot of leads were given up. Like Gary Trent and Reggie Slater who were all undersized, Smith does score in the paint.
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">As good? or average the same amount of points? Can Jefferson really hit three's and fadeaway 18 footers? I doubt he is going to be as good of a penetrater either. I really hope he can be a great down-low presence though because we have never had that before. KG was much more of a perimeter scorer.</div> Jefferson is a beast. He can`t hit the fade aways and deep shots, but he`s probably the best young (experience wise) NBA post player in the league right now. You`re really underestimating him. Soon he`ll be averaging 20 and 12 , an Elton Brand type All-Star player, and you are going think this trade worked out well after all. Fact is, there wasn`t a single player that you were going to get that is better than what Jefferson is going to be. Maybeee Deng, but even then, a big man like Jefferson is a franchise type player where as Deng is a very talented player who can be second fiddle on a championship team, like a Marion to the Suns.
