At best, without trading both lamar and bynum we can offer: Bynum (mr. Potential ), Kwame (expiring contract), Vlad or cook, farmar or evans (Javaris is likely untouchable LOL) Odom, Vlad, farmar (doubt this will happen) vs. Nets offer of: RJ (Pacers already have Granger and Marquis), Kristic (16 9 guy) and Jason collins (Pacers however wanted marcus williams so they are re negotiating things) What would be a better package to accept for JO?
The Obvious package would be to the Nets. The question becomes, would the Pacers be willing to trade JO to the same Conference? What is JO's preferred team between the Lakers and Nets? I have a feeling JO will be moved this summer, but those two questions come to mind when deciding where he will land.
I'd choose the Lakers package (although Crittenton would have to be included, instead of Farmar/Evans), but that's because I think the team needs to be rebuilt. I'm not sure that Larry Bird is ready to do that though, and he might find a package built around Richard Jefferson to be more appealing.
<div class="quote_poster">Trench Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> The question becomes, would the Pacers be willing to trade JO to the same Conference? What is JO's preferred team between the Lakers and Nets? </div> I think so, because the Pacers won't be contending for a title any time soon, while the Nets want to do so now, before their star players get too old.
<div class="quote_poster">Trench Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Obvious package would be to the Nets. The question becomes, would the Pacers be willing to trade JO to the same Conference? What is JO's preferred team between the Lakers and Nets? </div> Like Bahir said, the Pacers won't be contending anytime soon, so dealing him to the Nets won't hurt them. It'll take them another 3 to 4 years to get back into contention if they're serious about rebuilding. I just have a feeling we're going to get screwed. Danny Ainge probably called Larry and told him not to trade Jermaine O'Neal to the Lakers because it could effect the Celtics in a negative way. No way does an ex-Celtic just turn the Lakers into contenders overnight. You also have to remember our GM is Mitch Kupchak, so with those combined factors, it's going to be a miracle to pull this trade off, but let's just pray something happens.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Like Bahir said, the Pacers won't be contending anytime soon, so dealing him to the Nets won't hurt them. It'll take them another 3 to 4 years to get back into contention if they're serious about rebuilding. I just have a feeling we're going to get screwed. Danny Ainge probably called Larry and told him not to trade Jermaine O'Neal to the Lakers because it could effect the Celtics in a negative way. No way does an ex-Celtic just turn the Lakers into contenders overnight. You also have to remember our GM is Mitch Kupchak, so with those combined factors, it's going to be a miracle to pull this trade off, but let's just pray something happens.</div> I think Danny Ainge would rather see the Lakers get JO than the Nets, because not only is the Nets and the Celtics in the same conference, they are in the same division. It would obviously be better for the Celtics if JO went to the west, so that the teams over there could compete for a spot in the finals, rather than for the Celtics to make one of their adversaries stronger. Furthermore, I'd say that JO to the Nets would make the Nets a much stronger championship contender than JO to the Lakers, simply because the Lakers aren't a strong team, and they are in the west (so they have to deal with the Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Utah and Rockets just to name a few).
<div class="quote_poster">Bahir Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Danny Ainge would rather see the Lakers get JO than the Nets, because not only is the Nets and the Celtics in the same conference, they are in the same division. It would obviously be better for the Celtics if JO went to the west, so that the teams over there could compete for a spot in the finals, rather than for the Celtics to make one of their adversaries stronger. Furthermore, I'd say that JO to the Nets would make the Nets a much stronger championship contender than JO to the Lakers, simply because the Lakers aren't a strong team, and they are in the west (so they have to deal with the Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Utah and Rockets just to name a few).</div> Good point. I forgot the Nets and Celtics are in the same division
I'm going to think the more likely move will be to the Lakers. The Pacers don't really have a need for Jefferson since they have Granger and I'm willing to bet that no matter how much the Nets may want JO, I don't foresee them giving up their replacement to Kidd in Marcus Williams. Plus, you have to think if the Pacers are going to trade him, why would they want to make their direct competition better? That, to me, would make no sense.
If it an offer of Marcus Willams, Nenad Kristic, and Richard Jefferson, I would take that offer over Odom and Bynum or anything else we have to offer. But, they dont want to give up Willams. Which means our offer looks better. I think a deal of Bynum, Crittenton, Kwame and fillers could do it. Also, will getting JO make the Nets much stronger, then it will make the Lakers? I would say it makes the Lakers much better. The Nets in my opinion, would be a litlle better, or just the same. They gave up a loyal and proven SF in Jefferson. Then you gave up Marcus Willams, who is part of your future. Also, Nenand Kristic, Sean Willams and Maglore could handle the PF/C positions. My personal opinion is that the Nets would do better if they have Jefferson, Carter, Kidd with really good and healthy role players. As for the Lakers. We would automatically become a cotender, I woulkd say the 4th best team out west tied with the Rockets. We would ultimately have a lineup of Fisher/Farmar Kobe/Evans/ Sasha Odom/Walton JO/Odom/Turiaf/Cook JO/ Mihm We just need to get more help at the center postion. So sign through free angency with the vet's minimum. Also, just giving Kobe Bryant Jermaine Oneal with Lamar Odom would make him happy. Kobe and JO complement each other perfectley. With Odom in the middle we would be so much better.
No way LA gives up Bynum for him. Too much potential for a player that will not make any impact on LA's place in the standings. Walton is the starting small forward, that makes Odom the power forward. Odom out rebounded O'neal last year and shot a better % from the field. Bynum starts at center and Mihm is backup. If Bynum is a bust then get JO next year if he really wants to play with Kobe.
I'll take the Laker trade for the reason that if you get Bynum and Farmar in the same deal gives the Pacers two great future potential players.
<div class="quote_poster">whatthef? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No way LA gives up Bynum for him. Too much potential for a player that will not make any impact on LA's place in the standings. Walton is the starting small forward, that makes Odom the power forward. Odom out rebounded O'neal last year and shot a better % from the field. Bynum starts at center and Mihm is backup. If Bynum is a bust then get JO next year if he really wants to play with Kobe.</div> You don't want to give up Bynum for Jermaine O'Neal? Then who do you want to give up? Vladamir Radmanovic and Kwame Brown? Don't make me laugh. Like I said before, that's equivalent to the New York Knicks offering us Jamaal Crawford and Jerome James for Kobe Bryant. Unless of course, you want us to stick with the same roster again next year, make the playoffs as the 8th seed, get eliminated in 4, and stick through the whole Kobe fiasco once again. You have the best player in the game in Kobe Bryant, why waste his prime away for someone like Andrew Bynum, who has "potential" when you can get someone like Jermaine O'Neal, one of the top players in the game when healthy. You mentioned Lamar Odom outrebounded Jermaine O'Neal last year and shot a better percentage? Lamar Odom outrebound Jermaine O'Neal by 0.02. Their rebounding is virtually identical, unless you think 0.02 is something drastic that makes Lamar Odom a better rebounder than Jermaine O'Neal, which he is not because O'Neal wasn't even healthy last season. O'Neal hasn't been healthy for the past couple of seasons, and yet he's still able to put up 20 and 10. When healthy, Jermaine O'Neal is one of the top big men in the league. So keep living in you dream world where Andrew Bynum is going to average 20 and 10 next season, while making the All-Star team. Then next offseason, Jermaine O'Neal will opt out of his huge contract to come to Los Angeles for the MLE, which won't happen.
