i think people who rate kobe as the best thing since jordan is unfair, duncan has done alot more for his team than kobe has done for the lakers and he isnt considered better than kobe by alot of people. i think its because kobe can be flashy and arrogant and gets more attention that way. and huevonkiller, im not just a hurt laker fan, i have an opinion too you know. kobe is fantastic, he is one of my favourite players of all time, but alot of people overrate him in discussion, im not talking about awards or nothing like that, im just saying that he isnt that far ahead of other players as some people make him out to be, okay? can i get away with that? or will i get blasted by people who think kobe is the best player in the league and dont even consider guys like duncan. plus kobe's an ass. kobe may be the best player in the league, but as a laker fan he has yet to prove it to me over the last 3 years. any way enough negativity guys, oden is great, but the hype does get on my nerves, he hasnt even played a game and people still rate him a top nba center? how is that possible? that is like ranking kevin durant a top foward in the league. yes, they may become that, but we cant assume things, and we cant say they are until they actually play a game. and who said oden will only average 0.7 BPG? come on man, i know he's overrated but seriously.
haha you got a laker fan saying Kobe is overrated and a dallas fan saying Dirk is overrated. You can make an argument that any player who gets a lot of credit is overrated - even Tim Duncan, who has now been mentioned as the best player since jordan, player of the decade, etc. - you could say he is overrated. although that would be tough because he has very few holes and he's truly humble to me Elton Brand is overrated by basketball insiders. They talk about how he's a numbers machine and doesn't get the spotlight, etc. But his competitiveness and mental game are seriously sketchy. Skills he has, but what is going on upstairs with that dude. It took Sam Cassell's fight for that team to be any good. Chris Bosh is a little overrated too. he's talked about like he's the heir to tim duncan but he hasn't really proved that much in the league yet. I like him as a player but he got elevated to superstar status a little too quick. Also Chris Paul. So he racked up a bunch of assists on a bad team his rookie year. Yes, that is a good accomplishment. But let's not crown him the next kidd-nash-payton just yet, okay. playoff games: 0
Here's my list. I don't wanna pick Joakim Noah because of his college career but in college he was overrated. Now in the NBA: 1) LeBron James. Yes he's prob. the #1 SF in the NBA but isn't a good shooter and a good defender. 2)Andrew Bynum. Everyone knows it. 3)Dirk Nowitzki. Not a good defender. Chokes when it matters. 4)Kwame Brown. Just because he was #1 overall. As far as a fanpoint, us Magic fans tend to hang on Ariza's dick because he has so much potential. I don't think that's overrating him though.
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i think people who rate kobe as the best thing since jordan is unfair, duncan has done alot more for his team than kobe has done for the lakers and he isnt considered better than kobe by alot of people. i think its because kobe can be flashy and arrogant and gets more attention that way. and huevonkiller, im not just a hurt laker fan, i have an opinion too you know. kobe is fantastic, he is one of my favourite players of all time, but alot of people overrate him in discussion, im not talking about awards or nothing like that, im just saying that he isnt that far ahead of other players as some people make him out to be, okay? can i get away with that? or will i get blasted by people who think kobe is the best player in the league and dont even consider guys like duncan. plus kobe's an ass. kobe may be the best player in the league, but as a laker fan he has yet to prove it to me over the last 3 years..</div> You shouldn't post one large paragraph like that. That looks sloppy. Anyway, the way you define overrated, almost any player can be that. And btw, Michael Jordan was probably a bigger ass than Kobe and hated his owner. Kobe hasn't proved anything to you, yet you have T-Mac in your favorites? Ok...
<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> 4)Kwame Brown. Just because he was #1 overall. </div> lol @ Kwame being called overrated when EVERYONE thinks he sucks. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You shouldn't post one large paragraph like that. That looks sloppy. Anyway, the way you define overrated, almost any player can be that. And btw, Michael Jordan was probably a bigger ass than Kobe and hated his owner. </div> There's no point in turing this into another Jordan/Kobe thing, cause it will just end up getting closed eventually. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Bosh is a little overrated too. he's talked about like he's the heir to tim duncan but he hasn't really proved that much in the league yet. I like him as a player but he got elevated to superstar status a little too quick.</div> I disagree. I don't think of him as a superstar yet, and that sentiment is shared by some Raptors fans as well. He is our franchise player yeah, but he's not a superstar yet. He is improving with every year, and has loads of potential, which is why we tend to be so defensive of him. Great guy off the court as well. I think Bargs has a higher ceiling than Bosh though.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol @ Kwame being called overrated when EVERYONE thinks he sucks. </div> Not now but in Washington he had so much "potential." Also, when he got drafted. Yeah, now everyone says he sucks.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> There's no point in turing this into another Jordan/Kobe thing, cause it will just end up getting closed eventually. </div> Why is this a Kobe vs Jordan thing now? Akira said Kobe was an ass, I said Jordan was one as well. I made a valid comparison, that's all. Also, why would I care if this unoriginal thread was closed?
Most overrated IMO.. 1. Lebron - No clutch ability.. weak defense.. 2. Dirk - Chokes in big games.. Most Underrated.. 1. Kobe (People compare him to LeBron wtf is that.. lol)
Why does everyone say Dirk is overrated just because he didnt play to his fullest potential in the Golden State series? I feel so bad for the dude, he had a great MVP season and has a few bad games. Now everyone thinks he's the worst player and extremely overated. Give the guy break.
<div class="quote_poster">The Walrus Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why does everyone say Dirk is overrated just because he didnt play to his fullest potential in the Golden State series? I feel so bad for the dude, he had a great MVP season and has a few bad games. Now everyone thinks he's the worst player and extremely overated. Give the guy break.</div> I think a lot of people have been saying it for a long time now, the GS series really just proved it (not to mention the finals the year before). He got owned brutally while his top 5 (or is it top 10?) regular season team of all time got man handled by a team who made the playoffs on the last day of the season. Don Nelson completely exposed him and Stephen Jackson punked him, it was magnified being opposite Baron Davis who was completely insane in that series and playing like an MVP should whilst Dirk struggled the whole series aside form the last few minutes of game 5.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think a lot of people have been saying it for a long time now, the GS series really just proved it (not to mention the finals the year before). He got owned brutally while his top 5 (or is it top 10?) regular season team of all time got man handled by a team who made the playoffs on the last day of the season. Don Nelson completely exposed him and Stephen Jackson punked him, it was magnified being opposite Baron Davis who was completely insane in that series and playing like an MVP should whilst Dirk struggled the whole series aside form the last few minutes of game 5.</div> Well look not to get off topic. But the Golden State Warriors are a good team. Dirk didn't exactly choke, the Warriors were just better. The Warriors beat the Mavs like 4 times during the regular season. And shoot lets not just blame Dirk, he still averaged like 20 ppg which isnt terrible. the Mavs were out shot, out coachedm and out hustled. Lets not just put the blame on Dirk, thats all I'm sayin. I think he's rated just right. I mean it's not like he bragged and said he would smoke the warrirors and he was a great player. And he's not on the cover of magazines. Even when reporters asked who should win mvp, he always replied Steve Nash. So give the man a break. please...
Chris Paul - Half court game is considerably worst than his full court game Michael Redd - Doesn't do anything else besides jack up low % shots Richard Jefferson - Where does his skill level rank amongst the top SF's? Chris Bosh - Max contract player who has difficulty getting off high % shots Kevin Garnett - Missed playoffs the past 3 seasons in his prime
<div class="quote_poster">Iron Shiek Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Richard Jefferson - Where does his skill level rank amongst the top SF's?</div> He plays alongside one of the best SG's in the game today. He isn't going to be the first option which hurts him alot. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kevin Garnett - Missed playoffs the past 3 seasons in his prime</div> Did you see his team??
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Also Gilbert Arenas and Carmelo Anthony for many of the same reasons as Dirk. Both great scorers but literally do nothing else to help their team win. They don't make teammates better, don't play defense, turn the ball over a lot, neither are exceptional rebounders for their positions. You can throw Ben Gordon in this group as well. </div> I see what your saying with Arenas but the Wizards where in 3rd place when he went down and struggled to stay in the playoffs in his absence, and I'm sure they would of (even if they dropped) put up a better effort in the 1st round. Yea i know Butler was down too, but still scoring does help the team win. Same with Anthony, dude lead his team into the playoffs since his rookie year in the West, he has been the only scoring option on his team before AI came along, so in sense yea they don't play that well of defense and they don't rebound as well as they should, but when your scoring 30+ a game (which they both where at one point of the season i beleve) and your team is winning, then why complain?
<div class="quote_poster">thedude9990 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I see what your saying with Arenas but the Wizards where in 3rd place when he went down and struggled to stay in the playoffs in his absence, and I'm sure they would of (even if they dropped) put up a better effort in the 1st round. Yea i know Butler was down too, but still scoring does help the team win. Same with Anthony, dude lead his team into the playoffs since his rookie year in the West, he has been the only scoring option on his team before AI came along, so in sense yea they don't play that well of defense and they don't rebound as well as they should, but when your scoring 30+ a game (which they both where at one point of the season i beleve) and your team is winning, then why complain?</div> They are both amazing scorers, and scoring is obviously a big part of the game, but with their physical tools its disappointing too see them blow off all of the other aspects of the game. They're both athletic enough to be great defenders, rebounders, etc. yet they just don't try. Again, we're talking about who is overrated, IMO these guys are overrated because so many think they're elite franchise players yet they only do one thing well. They don't make their teammates better, they turn the ball over a lot, they don't play defense and they're both boneheads IMO. I don't know of any other "superstar" or "franchise players" who have all of those characteristics. They're elite scorers and great in the clutch but thats not enough for me to consider them in the league's elite.
<div class="quote_poster">Iron Shiek Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Bosh - Max contract player who has difficulty getting off high % shots</div> He's shot 50% the last 2 seasons, and he has had a healthy TS%. If he's not getting off high percentage shots, he must be even better than I thought.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">They are both amazing scorers, and scoring is obviously a big part of the game, but with their physical tools its disappointing too see them blow off all of the other aspects of the game. They're both athletic enough to be great defenders, rebounders, etc. yet they just don't try. Again, we're talking about who is overrated, IMO these guys are overrated because so many think they're elite franchise players yet they only do one thing well. They don't make their teammates better, they turn the ball over a lot, they don't play defense and they're both boneheads IMO. I don't know of any other "superstar" or "franchise players" who have all of those characteristics. They're elite scorers and great in the clutch but thats not enough for me to consider them in the league's elite.</div> I see where your coming from, but i think they are both superstar players, that you have to build around. I think Melo needs a good distributing PG (like Miller). Arenas i agree 100% with you, he is spoce to be a PG and they have 2 allstars around him and he averges 6 assists and turns the ball over 3 times, also he only averges 4.5 rebounds a game with a team with not many great rebounders, he does averge 2 steals though even though its proabably from playing the passing lanes, so his lines should be more than just 29 points 4 assits 5 boards. Melo is slightly diffrent since he is a SF and not a PG, so 4 assists isnt bad, but the rebounding is at 6 could be higher, but he does have Camby and Nene downlow so he isn't really relied on that much (even though he averged about 9 during tha playoffs), but like Arenas he is turnover prone. Both are very big players so i feel there defense is a little bad. Melo has the frame of an Artest, he just needs to bulk up but his speed could make up for it, while Arenas is bigger than most points.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He's shot 50% the last 2 seasons, and he has had a healthy TS%. If he's not getting off high percentage shots, he must be even better than I thought.</div> I don't care what his FG% is, I do not feel comfortable with him getting a high % shot when everyone knows the ball is going to him. He doesn't look comfortable taking or making big shots. Good complimentary player but he is one of the worst max players in the league imo.
The numbers don't lie though. Bosh is one of the more efficient offensive players in the league and is only getting better. The part about him not looking comfortable when everyone knows he's getting the ball is true to an extent, but has a lot more to do with coaching. Bosh is actually a bit easier to guard because of Mitchell's predictable playcalling and he covers up for the Raptors' simplistic offensive gameplan. I'd take him over Antawn Jamison, Shawn Marion, Stephon Marbury, Jermaine O'Neal, and Joe Johnson now and over a hell of a lot more of those max-contract players over the next couple years.
LeBron James, as talented as he is, seems to be prone to the ever-dangerous bout of uninterest. People also seem to hail him as the best player in the NBA, which I suppose would make him overrated, even as good as he is. For all my violent dislike of Kobe Bryant, I can't argue that he's the league's top offensive talent, and he's no slouch shutting down other guards, either. Tony Parker is severely overrated, in my opinion. He's lauded for his field goal percentage, his speed, his finals MVP award last year- but he's the purest example of a system guard I think you'll find in today's NBA. Playing in a strict, authoritarian system, he puts up good numbers season after season, but he's not a 50% FG guy with Tim Duncan, he's not a Finals MVP without Tim Duncan, he's not even an All-Star or a champion without Tim Duncan. In fact, I think Duncan should've won the Finals MVP on principle. He's been carrying that team for almost a decade.
