50 never talks about being from the hood or anything like that. All he talks about is getting money and hoes and how he is a badass. Kanye West is cocky as hell, I'll give you that, but 50 is just straight up annoying.
5o talked about being from the hood you just have to look at the g-unit radios. To me kanye is just not really my style. I'm more of a 50 fan.
That re-up song with just em and 50 with the boom boom chuck beat. I felt like thats the best 50 rapped since before he made it BIG. Anyways I can't remember hearing 50 rapping about him being in the hood either.
50 doesn't rap about the hood? How about the Song In My hood and a bunch of other tracks of that nature like Heat and Many Men.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So you think Kanye West and his lyrics are more shallow than 50 cent and his lyrics? What songs does 50 Cent even rap about his being from the hood? I don't listen to much of him but the stuff they play on the radio is all party songs about nothing. 50 is no better than any of of the other pop hip-hop trash that comes from the south these days. Not saying Kanye is any good though...</div> You're focussing too much on the comparison. I think both are ****, but I'd prefer anything over Kanye West. As for fifty cent rapping about the hood, just listen to all his work and not just his hits. He's got songs about the hood, like Ghetto Quran. Either way, they both suck, and I'm not defending 50 cent in the least, but I think Kanye West is a cyst on the asshole of the world.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Either way, they both suck, and I'm not defending 50 cent in the least, but I think Kanye West is a cyst on the asshole of the world.</div> I prefer "The sh*t stain on the underpants of society" However, I like Kanye West, while some of his songs go commercial or mainstream to much for my liking, he has some songs that I do like. I have his CD, and some of his clothing lines because I like what he does and I respect him.
<div class="quote_poster">Master Shake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I prefer "The sh*t stain on the underpants of society" However, I like Kanye West, while some of his songs go commercial or mainstream to much for my liking, he has some songs that I do like. I have his CD, and some of his clothing lines because I like what he does and I respect him.</div> It's not that he's mainstream. I have no problem with the mainstream. It's that he's confused and not sure what he stands for. He sells his songs as if they have depth, when they have anything but. Even as a producer, he steals too many riffs from actual artists to be considered one himself.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's not that he's mainstream. I have no problem with the mainstream. It's that he's confused and not sure what he stands for. He sells his songs as if they have depth, when they have anything but. Even as a producer, he steals too many riffs from actual artists to be considered one himself.</div> Yea, I can understand that. I hate how he gets lumped in with all those conscious hip hop artists coming out of Chicago, when he's nothing more than a mainstream artist with a different angle. He's still making music to get on the charts more than anything.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, I can understand that. I hate how he gets lumped in with all those conscious hip hop artists coming out of Chicago, when he's nothing more than a mainstream artist with a different angle. He's still making music to get on the charts more than anything.</div> There are very few socially conscious rappers these days. Even if there were more, is that the kind of music you want to listen to? Socially conscious lyrics would be great to read, but nine times out of ten, they don't make good songs. That's why I listen almost exclusively to southern rap. Yeah, there's not much thought in the lyrics, and it doesn't take much talent to rap over the beat, but the songs are at least dancable and fun to bump in your car. What's the point of listening to northern rap with lame lyrics and lame beats? I don't get why anybody would listen to, say, Raekwon, over any of the triple six.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There are very few socially conscious rappers these days. Even if there were more, is that the kind of music you want to listen to? Socially conscious lyrics would be great to read, but nine times out of ten, they don't make good songs. That's why I listen almost exclusively to southern rap. Yeah, there's not much thought in the lyrics, and it doesn't take much talent to rap over the beat, but the songs are at least dancable and fun to bump in your car. What's the point of listening to northern rap with lame lyrics and lame beats? I don't get why anybody would listen to, say, Raekwon, over any of the triple six.</div> Socially conscious rappers are out there if you look for them. It's not the only type of rap that I listen to, but I definitely love hearing some lyrics that can make you reflect on a topic over a raw-sounding beat and I respect someone who can articulate themselves that well in a rap song. Anyways, the only reason I brought that genre up is because Kanye gets grouped in with those type of artists because he's not the typical mainstream gangsta rapper. But he's nowhere near the artist those dudes are. Anyways, I can respect that you like southern rap over most of the stuff I listen to (you do live in Memphis), but I personally can't stand most southern hip hop. I don't know, I'd take Raekwon's wordplay on a RZA beat over the same regurgitated beat any day.
Voodoo man, Kanye ain't really jacking riffs from artists. It's called sampling when he uses that type of stuff, you take something from another song and incorperate it into a new sounding beat. All producers sample beats, guys like Just Blaze. He's not jacking the song, he's sampling it and Kanye's known for sampling off songs off the 70's and 80's and making them into classic beats. Through the Wire is a perfect example where he sampled the song Through the Fire by Chaka Khan and turned it into a classic beat. Also please don't say he has no depth in his lyrics. I mean sure he's cocky and sometimes arrogant but if you listen to some of his stuff it aint that shallow. I'm starting to think that the only Kanye West songs you've ever heard are the ones that pop up on the radio, which like most songs are the more catchy songs not necessarily the ones with the best lyricism. I mean, Kanye is one of the more creative rappers out there and isn't just the generic 'gangster with hoes'. He's not the deepest guy in the world, but to say he has NO depth is crazy. Tell me VC, what's your definition of depth in rap? Cause I don't want to go into any lyrics right now without knowing what your criteria is for this apparent lack of depth Kanye has. (not trying to sound rude, just getting involved in a friendly debate)
Kanye has a big lead in iTune single downloads over 50 Cent. Not sure if this is a good indicator, but I think 50 Cent accomplished what he wanted out of this challenge by getting more publicity for himself. 50 Cent doesn't do it for me either as a rapper, but I have to admit, he's damn good at marketing himself. If he loses he'll probably retire the 50 Cent character, and then re-emerge under his real name, Curtis Jackson. Seems to be the formula a lot of rappers use.
Your looking into Jesus Walks too hard, it's one song. You still haven't explained whatever "intellectualism" your talking about. Than you talk about Kanye sampling, a huge part of producing hip hop is about sampling..and Kanye is pretty damn good at it. I really hate when people try and build an argument on one song, I'm not necessarily saying VC is, but people have done it here before and I've been running into it on other sites as well. Is Through the Wire flase intellectualism? How about Roses? We Don't Care? For one song you named in Jesus Walks, which I don't love, but isn't bad IMO...Those are three genuinely good songs.
<div class="quote_poster">thedude9990 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">anyone here barry bonds by kanye? i was somewhat dissapointed....</div> I heard it too. I just wasn't feeling that song.
Kanye West is superb. A versatile, talented producer and rapper. 50, although very popular with the common people is neither. He is generic yet entertaining. He is good at what he does, but not great. He is churning out the same type of recycled music that has ruined hip hop / rap. Kanye is trying to braoden the spectrum, bring thinking and social concepts back into the rap game as well as entertain. Kanye is a better rapper, entertainer and performer. I hope he outsells 50 and I wish people like Common and Talib would outsell him too.
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