Here is my top 10 please make your own i'd like to see yours. 1. Kobe 2. Duncan 3. Wade 4. KG 5. Nash 6. Dirk 7. Yao 8. LeBron 9. T-Mac 10. Kidd/VC Kidd = Most underrated of all.
any particular reason why you would make this thread when you already posted in the exact same type of thread? all you did was add the word TODAY to your title. everybody was naming guys from todays leagues. i could understand if guys were saying people like mj, bird, magic, etc..., but no one did.
Presuming health and mental stability? 1) Kobe Bryant 2) Steve Nash 3) Tim Duncan 4) Kevin Garnett 5) Dirk Nowitzki 6) Baron Davis 7) Tracy McGrady 8) LeBron James 9) Dwight Howard 10) Brandon Roy
1.Kobe 2.Steve Nash 3. Tim Duncan 4. Allen Iverson 5. Lebron James 6. Dwayne Wade 7. Jason Kidd 8. Kevin Garnett 9. Tracy MrGrady 10. Dirk Nowitzki
1. Kobe/D-Wade/LeBron (cop out, I know, but I honestly can't choose between them) 4. Tim Duncan 5. Dirk Nowitzki 6. Steve Nash 7. Kevin Garnett 8. Yao Ming 9. Tracy McGrady 10. Carlos Boozer
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">1. Kobe/D-Wade/LeBron (cop out, I know, but I honestly can't choose between them) 4. Tim Duncan 5. Dirk Nowitzki 6. Steve Nash 7. Kevin Garnett 8. Yao Ming 9. Tracy McGrady 10. Carlos Boozer</div> That is a pretty fair list, although I would switch between KG and Dirk.
How the hell is Gilbert in not anyone's list? He's got to be the best scoring point guard in the league right now and the Wizards would not be anywhere near where they were without Gilbert.
1. Duncan 2. Nash 3. Kobe 4. KG 5. LeBron 6. Yao 7. Kidd 8. Wade 9. Nowitzki 10. Bosh/Boozer (can't decide) As long as its a team sport I don't see why Duncan and Nash shouldn't be ranked 1-2. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How the hell is Gilbert in not anyone's list? He's got to be the best scoring point guard in the league right now and the Wizards would not be anywhere near where they were without Gilbert.</div> Believe it or not theres this whole aspect to basketball called defense. Its half of the entire game. Gil is excellent at what he does, which is score- and nothing else. He plays bad defense (despite great size/athleticism), horrible A/TO ratio (not even top 50 and hes a starting PG? disgusting), shoots a bad FG%, his team doesn't win anything of relevance. Hes great at scoring, one of the top scorers in the league, but hes mediocre in every other aspect of the game. It takes more than being a specialist to be a great player IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">1. Kobe 2-10 = Don't care (Same ol' players, Duncan, Wade, LeBron, whatever, etc.).</div> someone has a crush on Kobe - probably 9 out of 10 GMs would take Duncan over Kobe and 5 out of 10 would take Wade or LeBron. Kobe is the best scorer in the league Best PLAYER? it's obviously between Duncan and Nash, there is no debate, it's one of those 2.
Look at the rest of this thread, I'm not the only person with this opinion. And my avatar and sig are supposed to be a joke, it isn't something to be taken seriously. <div class="quote_poster">NYC_Balla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">someone has a crush on Kobe - probably 9 out of 10 GMs would take Duncan over Kobe and 5 out of 10 would take Wade or LeBron. Kobe is the best scorer in the league Best PLAYER? it's obviously between Duncan and Nash, there is no debate, it's one of those 2.</div> Uh no it isn't obvious. Nash has an inferior Offensive efficiency rating btw. Duncan has a case though. NYC, this isn't a "who do I start a franchise with" thread, it is who is the best player today. Why do you pull these 9/5 out of 10 stats out of your ass like that? Weren't you the guy talking about how you'd hire X player to be a model for you or something? Then Chutney deleted those comments. Yeah I wouldn't be talking. Didn't you plead with people to grow up and not act homophobic? Don't be a complete hypocritical douche then. I'm a Kobe fan, just because I have a favorite player doesn't mean I'm in love with him. If he wasn't in the league (I don't find many other players exciting), i'd just watch the NFL until someone not annoying came along that had skill. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> As long as its a team sport I don't see how Duncan and Nash aren't the unanimous 1-2. </div> Hey you're not a Kobe fan, that's great but to say unanimous is definitely ignorant Run. Especially considering that various stats take Nash out of the running imo. In conclusion, I just didn't feel like ranking 2-10.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">1. Duncan 2. Nash 3. Kobe 4. KG 5. LeBron 6. Yao 7. Kidd 8. Wade 9. Nowitzki 10. Bosh/Boozer (can't decide) As long as its a team sport I don't see how Duncan and Nash aren't the unanimous 1-2. Believe it or not theres this whole aspect to basketball called defense. Its half of the entire game. Gil is excellent at what he does, which is score- and nothing else. He plays bad defense (despite great size/athleticism), horrible A/TO ratio (not even top 50 and hes a starting PG? disgusting), shoots a bad FG%, his team doesn't win anything of relevance. Hes great at scoring, one of the top scorers in the league, but hes mediocre in every other aspect of the game. It takes more than being a specialist to be a great player IMO.</div> Yeah, I know there's an aspect called defense and he isn't the best at what he does. Then again, he did say he focused this off-season working on defense along with his '100,000' shots and he does manage 2 steals a game. I just think his defense doesn't even need to be great, but just good for someone to put him in the top 10.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hey you're not a Kobe fan, that's great but to say unanimous is definitely ignorant Run. Especially considering that various stats take Nash out of the running imo.</div> The goal of the game is to win, not to accumulate individual stats. From what I've seen Duncan and Nash have the most impact on their teams winning. Kobe has had the misfortune of having a crap supporting cast since he was handed over the team, but thats life, sucks for him. The Lakers have been irrelevant since Shaq left. Until they have some impact on the league beyond taking up 90% of ESPN's NBA "headlines" I can't put Kobe up with Duncan and Nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The goal of the game is to win, not to accumulate individual stats. From what I've seen Duncan and Nash have the most impact on their teams winning. Kobe has had the misfortune of having a crap supporting cast since he was handed over the team, but thats life, sucks for him. The Lakers have been irrelevant since Shaq left. Until they have some impact on the league beyond taking up 90% of ESPN's NBA "headlines" I can't put Kobe up with Duncan and Nash.</div> Your human eye alone eh? How do you know Nash has more impact on winning? A lot of things point otherwise. There are doubts, thus using the word unanimous was inappropriate really.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your human eye alone eh? How do you know Nash has more impact on winning? Everything points otherwise. There are doubts, thus using the word unanimous was inappropriate really.</div> "The goal of the game is to win, not to accumulate individual stats." Again, Kobe is an excellent individual player but his team is irrelevant. Is it his fault? I don't know, maybe, maybe not, but I factor in team success into how I rank a player. If you don't, fine, it makes sense that Kobe would be your #1. My opinion is that Duncan and Nash are better players if you're looking to field a winning team.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">"The goal of the game is to win, not to accumulate individual stats." Again, Kobe is an excellent individual player but his team is irrelevant. Is it his fault? I don't know, maybe, maybe not, but I factor in team success into how I rank a player. If you don't, fine, it makes sense that Kobe would be your #1. My opinion is that Duncan and Nash are better players if you're looking to field a winning team.</div> Your views seem to be "absolute". 82games for example, has consistently pointed out that his "overall" impact (which you were just preaching about to the Gilbert fan), isn't nearly as high as you believe. Further, Nash has needed the right system to flourish. There is more than enough evidence to question your vocabulary.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">82games for example, has consistently pointed out that his "overall" impact (which you were just preaching about to the Gilbert fan), isn't nearly as high as you believe. Further, Nash has needed the right system to flourish.</div> I was pointing out observations I had made about Gilbert, not pulling out some all-in-one-super-basketball-god stat. You see, I watch basketball and analyze what I see, I don't see numbers like a computer. I've seen plenty of Gilbert over the the years, so I know he plays bad defense, I know he turns the ball over a lot and doesn't shoot a high FG%. I checked the simple numbers to make sure I was right, and they matched. They supported my analysis, they didn't make it. You cite the stats that say Kobe is better, but stats can always be swayed and manipulated, they aren't always 100% accurate and they can't take into account every aspect of something, especially not a sport. Again, Nash is in a great system but you can't take that away from him. Life isn't fair, get over it. (not like Kobe's system is hindering him or his team's success though so thats an irrelevant point anyway) <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There is more than enough evidence to question your vocabulary.</div> I'll go back and change it if its bothering you that much. And, again, Kobe's team is irrelevant. IMO team success is a factor in ranking a player.
Ok Run, we don't have to change the entire subject to Gilbert. <div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was pointing out observations I had made about Gilbert, not pulling out some all-in-one-super-basketball-god stat. You see, I watch basketball and analyze what I see, I don't see numbers like a computer. I've seen plenty of Gilbert over the the years, so I know he plays bad defense, I know he turns the ball over a lot and doesn't shoot a high FG%. I checked the simple numbers to make sure I was right, and they matched. They supported my analysis, they didn't make it. </div> Yeah, i think Nash is better and in addition, that is also empirically supported quite well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You cite the stats that say Kobe is better, but stats can always be swayed and manipulated, they aren't always 100% accurate and they can't take into account every aspect of something, especially not a sport. Again, Nash is in a great system but you can't take that away from him. Life isn't fair, get over it. (not like Kobe's system is hindering him or his team's success though so thats an irrelevant point anyway)</div> I happen to think that life is very fair for Kobe. Just because Kobe is on a bad team, that doesn't automatically invalidate him, and vice-versa. The same can be said about 1987 Jordan for example. The thing is, I don't have just one stat. There are a string of stats that invalidate this godlike unanimous selection for Nash in the top 2. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'll go back and change it if its bothering you that much. And, again, Kobe's team is irrelevant. IMO team success is a factor in ranking a player.</div> It wasn't that is was bothering me, just that your conviction is ridiculous. Nash's team success has to do with many factors Run.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok Run, we don't have to change the entire subject to Gilbert.</div> LOL, god forbid anyone else be allowed to change subjects in the middle of an argument right? You gotta be joking. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It wasn't that is was bothering me, just that your conviction is ridiculous. Nash's team success has to do with many factors Run.</div> Yeah, I'm the one with the conviction, my bad. I presented my opinion, it seems to be too much for you to handle. I'm done with this thread.
Edit- That was a hyperbole Run, your response below was pretty juvenile taking this into account. <div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LOL, god forbid anyone else be allowed to change subjects in the middle of an argument right? </div> I simply don't feel like talking about Arenas at the moment. But if you must insist than please, go ahead. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yeah, I'm the one with the conviction, my bad. I presented my opinion, it seems to be too much for you to handle. I'm done with this thread.</div> You don't know what conviction I have. I always acknowledge LeBron/Wade/Duncan and such. Ok, run along now then. Another notch in my belt I suppose.
