<span style="font-style: italic"><div><span style="font-style: italic"><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sep 10</span> - Coach Don Nelson, profoundly unhappy with the way his contract negotiations are going, plans on flying home to Hawaii after having spent several weeks in the Bay Area hoping to cement reworked details for the two years remaining on his deal. No date for his return to the islands has been specified. So far, Nelson's attempt to renegotiate the remainder of the three-year deal he signed in August 2006 has resembled a high-stakes poker game for much of the summer. If that's true, this is his all-in moment. </p> Nelson would like to put pressure on the Warriors to move off their one and only offer. That proposal would increase Nelson's base salary per season from $3.1 million to $5.1 million, but it inserts a team option for the second and final season, meaning Nelson would face a decrease of $1.1 million in guaranteed money.</div> </p> -- Contra Costa Times = http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/c...?nclick_check=1</p></div></span>
i still don't get what the issue is...if cohan loses nelson because of his stingyness, i'll be soo pissed.
...and this is why I dislike Cohan... He's not one of the wealthiest owner nor does he really give a damn like he's a big fan of basketball. </p> I guess with Mark Cuban we can argue differently because he's trying to win a championship and Don Nelson ball just doesn't win rings based on his small, but quick matchup philosophy. We're just trying to finish in the way we only know how, which is to steal the ball and then run the ball for fastbreaks, dive cuts, kickout threes, instead of pounding the ball inside and throwing it back out. Can't fight with what we don't have, which is an Elton Brand, Yao Ming, Tim Duncan, or Shaq type player. </p> I really don't believe our best prospect Biedrins can be that guy unless he gets to 245 or 250. Right now he's only 220 lbs and he's got to work his ass off to try and hang in there against bigger and stronger opponents. Beans has pretty good footwork, a nice touch inside, but he's best utilized against power forwards and that's not how we're using him right now. We're probably going to end up injuring this guy if he has to weigh down against centers. Then on offense, we've got to figure out how to get more options out of him. I mean pick and roll/pick and pop is really best utilized if in the two man game when both players have the option to score from outside 15 feet consistently. As it is right now, Baron has to drive all the way to the hoop so he can draw Biedrins' man away from the painted area for Biedrins to dive in for an easy dunk or layup. I'm not convinced that will work all the time so we need some kind of ability to run the ball through Biedrins and then draw in defenders so we can swing the ball to a guard for an open shot or to take take the ball halfway on the wing and then swing it out to the opposite baseline. If we're taking threes, the baseline should be the easiest shot to make unless a player has some kind of depth perception problem without the backboard being there. We've probably done this type of play several times, but how else do we explain how bad things get when Baron is not in the game and nobody bothers to dump the ball to Biedrins or Biedrins get into defensive foul trouble because nobody is playing perimeter D or Biedrins simply can't take his assignment on offense? It's because we got no inside/outside/side-to-side ball movement to collapse or draw defenders away from the attempted shot area. We need more of an inside game so we can control the tempo or match the opponent's higher % baskets. It could be a coaching thing too where the coach doesn't believe Biedrins should operate outside his comfort zone or change the offensive tempo in the half court. I just think the offensive play could be better if we got heavier in the front court and keep the backcourt like Baron Davis, Marco or Ellis, Sjax. I'm hoping rookie Brandan Wright at least gives us hope to our rebounding and inside scoring woes. </p>
I don't see the big deal in this article. Training camp for the Warriors are held in Hawaii. Don Nelson's home is in Hawaii. I see it as a chance for Nelson to recuperate from the draft and free agency at home before training camp begins.</p> Ofcourse,Nelson'sagentprobablyspuntheissueforthemediatorilethefansintopressuringCohantogiveintotheirdemands.</p>
Pay him $ and move on. Iunderstand thatit would be hard to swallow for Cohan and his business sense. But, if we somehow lose Nelson, the immidiate consequence, including $ he may lose, will be far greater than what he will save by letting Nelson go. And, God help us if we actually play horribly under the new coach. It may very well be the final straw for Cohan and entire Warriors fan base...</p>
Its kind of chintzy. Cohan offered to guarantee the first year at what Nellie wanted, but made the second essentially the team's option, meaning less guaranteed money total. Nellie earned $5.1M last year because they went to the playoffs (add $2M); Nellie just wants those incentives now guaranteed. Not a bad thing since he's already proven he can do it and the team is going to get better. Man Cohan better not blow this. Especially when you pay some minor vet $2M/yr.
I keep hearing this crap about how Cohan's a good owner from the standpoint that he doesn't try to meddle with basketball operations. What the hell would you call this? Mullin obviously wants Nelson back, and Cohan's job as owner is to dole out the checks. Some people are painting Nelson as a greedy mastermind trying to shaft the poor owner, but he's asking for money that he feels his performance has merited. It's not as if, say, Nelson is a tax cheat like Cohan is.</p> Damn, man. When is this team gonna get sold? </p>
You all seem to be forgetting that Nelson SIGNED A CONTRACT and now wants to break it. I hate this situation and I don't have great love for Cohan, but I have to side with him on this one. I've lost almost all respect for Nelson by this cheap, greedy move. And yes, it IS all on him. He initiated this nonsense with his greed. He has a signed contract worth millions and should stick to it, period. It's not that a few million extra is such a problem, it's that rolling over for this extortion sets a terrible precedent.
But it's a precedent that's already been set. This happens constantly in the world of pro sports, it's a reality of the business</p> </p>
Besides Nelson is worth it. Last year probably took a lot out of him. They were underpaying him. I would want a re-worked contract as well if i'm going to sacrifice health, sleep, and retirement for the good of the franchise. He'd old and well established, he's not some rookie who hadn't proved anything like Jamarcus Russell of the Oakland Raiders (NFL).
Exactly. I think Nelson's health and age are relevant issues here. Given that he's known to become consumedby the rigors of the NBA season, and that he places tremendous stress on himself, as a matter of respect he should know he's at worst not going to make less than he did last year. Because additionally we're giving him a harder job. Last year we asked him essentially to sucker punch the league. This year we're asking him to take teams down that are ready for the barrage. I don't doubt that Nelson knows it can work, but geez, imagine the worst case scenario, where Davis shatters his knee the second game of the season, Biedrins tears his achilles, and Stephen Jackson dies in a parasailing accident, why would Nelson not be annoyed at the prospect of earning less than he did working through all that than he did before, especially when according to common life expectancy he only has a decade left to live?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Montaman)</div><div class='quotemain'>...why would Nelson not be annoyed at the prospect of earning less than he did working through all that than he did before, especially when according to common life expectancy he only has a decade left to live?</div></p> LOLZ! My point exactly! Each costly turnover by Monta Ellis and another bricked free throw by almost all the Warriors roster probably takes a day out of his life.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Montaman)</div><div class='quotemain'> Exactly. I think Nelson's health and age are relevant issues here. Given that he's known to become consumedby the rigors of the NBA season, and that he places tremendous stress on himself, as a matter of respect he should know he's at worst not going to make less than he did last year. Because additionally we're giving him a harder job. Last year we asked him essentially to sucker punch the league. This year we're asking him to take teams down that are ready for the barrage. I don't doubt that Nelson knows it can work, but geez, imagine the worst case scenario, where Davis shatters his knee the second game of the season, Biedrins tears his achilles, and Stephen Jackson dies in a parasailing accident, why would Nelson not be annoyed at the prospect of earning less than he did working through all that than he did before, especially when according to common life expectancy he only has a decade left to live?</p></div> </p>
<P style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13.3px/normal Arial; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(41, 45, 49);"><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Montaman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly. I think Nelson's health and age are relevant issues here. Given that he's known to become consumedby the rigors of the NBA season, and that he places tremendous stress on himself, as a matter of respect he should know he's at worst not going to make less than he did last year.</div>That's my point. Nelson's no spring chicken, he's been around the block, and around and around and around. He knows how much money he wants/needs/deserves. He knows about his health. He knows about the rigors of an NBA season. He knows the history of the Warriors, and he knows Mullin and Cohan. And he knew all these things before he signed the original contract! Again, I have no problem giving him 5 mils or whatever he wants, I just wish he had asked for it (or demanded it) the first time around.</SPAN></P><P style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13.3px/normal Arial; min-height: 15px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(41, 45, 49);"> </SPAN></P><P style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13.3px/normal Arial; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(41, 45, 49);">Anyway, it appears to be a moot point now. I'm glad he's back for the sake of the Warrior's franchise, but I'll never have the same respect for him again that I had before and that makes me sad.</SPAN></P><P style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13.3px/normal Arial; min-height: 15px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(41, 45, 49);"> </SPAN></P><P style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13.3px/normal Arial; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(41, 45, 49);">ps. What is up with this board? I typed out a long post and when I posted it, only the original quote was there and I *know* my text was in the window. Grrrrr... I want the old vBulletin back!</SPAN></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.3px Arial; color: #292d31"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P>
OK, this is really annoying. I can't seem to edit any of my posts. When I click Edit, it takes me to the editor and I can SEEM to edit, but when I post, none of the changes stick. Please delete my post #14 and this one, thanks.
