Re: Tomlinson: So...you think it's just a coincidence that NE came out as a completely different team in the second half in games against your Colts a couple of times, against the Chargers, and numerous other teams? There has been a cloud of suspicion hanging over them for a while now, they just finally got caught. If Mangini knew about it, which he did because he probably blew the whistle, then it has obviously been going on for a while now.
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'>So...you think it's just a coincidence that NE came out as a completely different team in the second half in games against your Colts a couple of times, against the Chargers, and numerous other teams? There has been a cloud of suspicion hanging over them for a while now, they just finally got caught. If Mangini knew about it, which he did because he probably blew the whistle, then it has obviously been going on for a while now.</div></p> Even if that was true, did you forget what else BearsFan1 was saying? It was ridiculous, he's got a bunch of baseless conspiracy theories.</p> If the Patriots really need to cheat to win, they'll struggle in the next few years in the early rounds of the post-season.</p> Remember, I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I want to see how this event affects the Patriots this season. </p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: [quote name='Dark Hero'][quote name='Brian'][quote name='Dark Hero'][quote name='Brian'] There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p>[/QUOTE] The Patriots won that superbowl fair and square intil theres proof that they cheated I'll believe.But LT's words are making the game better i can't wait intil Sunday. </p>[/QUOTE] How did they win fair and square? They've been caught cheating, so who's to say they weren't cheating in the SuperBowl or SuperBowls? Again, like I said, we were up at halftime, who's to say Bill Belichik didn't go into the lockeroom to review tape and steal our signals or defensive or offensive schemes? From now on, the Patriots organization has lost all my respect, and I'll never root for them again. I'll gladly say that I am happy that they will lose their 1st round pick in 2008, and hopefully LT and the Chargers put up a big beating on them this Sunday.</p>[/QUOTE] Is there proof that they cheated in the Superbowl??No they cheated in the Jets game and thats the only game so far that theres proof that they cheated.So get over that lost and stop whining. </p>[/QUOTE] How am I whining? If they cheated once, who's to say they didn't cheat before? I'm merely speculating, but either way, like I said, I've lost all respect for the organization, and the only reason I want to see them in the playoffs is so they can loose their first round pick. Also, I'll look forward to watching LT running through the Patriots defense, and embarrassing their asses Sunday. What they did was wrong, and it was against the rules. Sure, we can't prove the Patriots cheated in the SuperBowl, but there will always be suspicions. Barry Bonds never tested positive for steriods, so I guess everyone should shut up and get over it until he tests positive, right? Also, read this article and tell me what you think:</p> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsXh...p&type=lgns</p> </p> Again, it can't be prove, but there will always be suspicions about what really happened, so again, the Patriots organization is a joke, and I've lost all respect for them. They may or may not have cheated in the SuperBowl, but I will always have my suspicions. Kapeesh?</p>
Re: Tomlinson: I do think it's suspicious on how every blitz package, New England ran a screen in the second half. The difference of play between the two halves is just too great of a change IMO for it not to be tainted.
Re: Tomlinson: [quote name='Brian'][quote name='Dark Hero'][quote name='Brian'][quote name='Dark Hero'][quote name='Brian'] There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p>[/QUOTE] The Patriots won that superbowl fair and square intil theres proof that they cheated I'll believe.But LT's words are making the game better i can't wait intil Sunday. </p>[/QUOTE] How did they win fair and square? They've been caught cheating, so who's to say they weren't cheating in the SuperBowl or SuperBowls? Again, like I said, we were up at halftime, who's to say Bill Belichik didn't go into the lockeroom to review tape and steal our signals or defensive or offensive schemes? From now on, the Patriots organization has lost all my respect, and I'll never root for them again. I'll gladly say that I am happy that they will lose their 1st round pick in 2008, and hopefully LT and the Chargers put up a big beating on them this Sunday.</p>[/QUOTE] Is there proof that they cheated in the Superbowl??No they cheated in the Jets game and thats the only game so far that theres proof that they cheated.So get over that lost and stop whining. </p>[/QUOTE] How am I whining? If they cheated once, who's to say they didn't cheat before? I'm merely speculating, but either way, like I said, I've lost all respect for the organization, and the only reason I want to see them in the playoffs is so they can loose their first round pick. Also, I'll look forward to watching LT running through the Patriots defense, and embarrassing their asses Sunday. What they did was wrong, and it was against the rules. Sure, we can't prove the Patriots cheated in the SuperBowl, but there will always be suspicions. Barry Bonds never tested positive for steriods, so I guess everyone should shut up and get over it until he tests positive, right? Also, read this article and tell me what you think:</p> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsXh...p&type=lgns</p> </p> Again, it can't be prove, but there will always be suspicions about what really happened, so again, the Patriots organization is a joke, and I've lost all respect for them. They may or may not have cheated in the SuperBowl, but I will always have my suspicions. Kapeesh?</p>[/QUOTE] Brian, Barry Bonds experienced an unprecedented growth in Slugging/OBP/OPS and such after 35 (and he was never close to these stats before). It is more than obvious he cheated especially with his grand jury testimony and Game of Shadows. There is not nearly as much evidence in the Patriots' case. </p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: [quote name='Brian'][quote name='Dark Hero'][quote name='Brian'][quote name='Dark Hero'][quote name='Brian'] There also has been some speculation going around that the Pats may have cheated in the SuperBowl against the Eagles, considering the Eagles had the lead at the end of the first half...</p> Either way you look at it, they are not the respected franchise, or model franchise they once was. The Patriots and Bill Belichik can kiss my ass</p>[/QUOTE] The Patriots won that superbowl fair and square intil theres proof that they cheated I'll believe.But LT's words are making the game better i can't wait intil Sunday. </p>[/QUOTE] How did they win fair and square? They've been caught cheating, so who's to say they weren't cheating in the SuperBowl or SuperBowls? Again, like I said, we were up at halftime, who's to say Bill Belichik didn't go into the lockeroom to review tape and steal our signals or defensive or offensive schemes? From now on, the Patriots organization has lost all my respect, and I'll never root for them again. I'll gladly say that I am happy that they will lose their 1st round pick in 2008, and hopefully LT and the Chargers put up a big beating on them this Sunday.</p>[/QUOTE] Is there proof that they cheated in the Superbowl??No they cheated in the Jets game and thats the only game so far that theres proof that they cheated.So get over that lost and stop whining. </p>[/QUOTE] How am I whining? If they cheated once, who's to say they didn't cheat before? I'm merely speculating, but either way, like I said, I've lost all respect for the organization, and the only reason I want to see them in the playoffs is so they can loose their first round pick. Also, I'll look forward to watching LT running through the Patriots defense, and embarrassing their asses Sunday. What they did was wrong, and it was against the rules. Sure, we can't prove the Patriots cheated in the SuperBowl, but there will always be suspicions. Barry Bonds never tested positive for steriods, so I guess everyone should shut up and get over it until he tests positive, right? Also, read this article and tell me what you think:</p> http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsXh...p&type=lgns</p> </p> Again, it can't be prove, but there will always be suspicions about what really happened, so again, the Patriots organization is a joke, and I've lost all respect for them. They may or may not have cheated in the SuperBowl, but I will always have my suspicions. Kapeesh?</p>[/QUOTE] LT ain't going to run threw our defence we own that foul.</p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'>[Brian, Barry Bonds experienced an unprecedented growth in Slugging/OBP/OPS and such after 35 (and he was never close to these stats before). It is more than obvious he cheated especially with his grand jury testimony and Game of Shadows. There is not nearly as much evidence in the Patriots' case.</div> I understand, but like I said, it's never been proven that Barry Bonds used steriods. He has never tested positive for steriods, so according to Dark Hero, he should be innocent because there is no proof he used steriods (btw, I'm just using this as an example, it's not my opinion or anything). There has not been any proof that the Patriots cheated in any games besides their game against the Jets, but like I said, I was merely speculating. If they cheated against the Jets, who's to say they haven't cheated in the past? Especially when you bring up all the fishy events that has occurred in the past, when the Patriots miraculously turn into a completely different team then they were in the first couple of minutes of the game</p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'>[Brian, Barry Bonds experienced an unprecedented growth in Slugging/OBP/OPS and such after 35 (and he was never close to these stats before). It is more than obvious he cheated especially with his grand jury testimony and Game of Shadows. There is not nearly as much evidence in the Patriots' case.</div> I understand, but like I said, it's never been proven that Barry Bonds used steriods. He has never tested positive for steriods, so according to Dark Hero, he should be innocent because there is no proof he used steriods (btw, I'm just using this as an example, it's not my opinion or anything). There has not been any proof that the Patriots cheated in any games besides their game against the Jets, but like I said, I was merely speculating. If they cheated against the Jets, who's to say they haven't cheated in the past? Especially when you bring up all the fishy events that has occurred in the past, when the Patriots miraculously turn into a completely different team then they were in the first couple of minutes of the game</p></div> Ah well you can still suspect them, but withhold your verdict. With Bonds, one doesn't even have to think about it. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'>[Brian, Barry Bonds experienced an unprecedented growth in Slugging/OBP/OPS and such after 35 (and he was never close to these stats before). It is more than obvious he cheated especially with his grand jury testimony and Game of Shadows. There is not nearly as much evidence in the Patriots' case.</div> I understand, but like I said, it's never been proven that Barry Bonds used steriods. He has never tested positive for steriods, so according to Dark Hero, he should be innocent because there is no proof he used steriods (btw, I'm just using this as an example, it's not my opinion or anything). There has not been any proof that the Patriots cheated in any games besides their game against the Jets, but like I said, I was merely speculating. If they cheated against the Jets, who's to say they haven't cheated in the past? Especially when you bring up all the fishy events that has occurred in the past, when the Patriots miraculously turn into a completely different team then they were in the first couple of minutes of the game</p></div> When did i say i thought Barry Bonds was innocent???? Shit i think his guilty and one day he is going to pay for taking steroids or whatever he took.</p> Cool Avatar Brian...</p>
Re: Tomlinson: Well, I don't believe Barry Bonds is clean. Do I think he cheated? Yes. Do I think he used steriods or performance enhancement drugs? Yes. But at the end of the day, you can only pull up stats to detirmine he used steriods. You can't pull out actually concrete evidence that he used steriods because there has never been a postive test saying that Barry Bonds used steriods. I hope you're getting the point I'm trying to get across. </p> Yes I know it's a lame example</p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Hero)</div><div class='quotemain'>[When did i say i thought Barry Bonds was innocent???? Shit i think his guilty and one day he is going to pay for taking steroids or whatever he took. Cool Avatar Brian...</p></div> It's just an example. You said there wasn't any proof the Patriots cheated before, so I just responded with an example that Barry Bonds has not actually been proved to have used steriods. He has never tested positive for steriods. (read my post above, and yes I know it's a lame example)</p> btw, glad to see that you like the avy </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'>Brian, Barry Bonds experienced an unprecedented growth in Slugging/OBP/OPS and such after 35 (and he was never close to these stats before). It is more than obvious he cheated especially with his grand jury testimony and Game of Shadows. There is not nearly as much evidence in the Patriots' case. </p> </div> </p> </p> the Patriots entered a span of unprecedented success not unlike Barry Bonds....the Patriots had never had anywhere near the success they had with Belicheck starting in 2001 and Belicheck had never had success like this before.....you put a failing coach with a 6th round QB and turn into the model dynasty? that smells just as fishy as Bonds ridiculous numbers....</p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'> I understand, but like I said, it's never been proven that Barry Bonds used steriods. He has never tested positive for steriods, so according to Dark Hero, he should be innocent because there is no proof he used steriods (btw, I'm just using this as an example, it's not my opinion or anything). There has not been any proof that the Patriots cheated in any games besides their game against the Jets, but like I said, I was merely speculating. If they cheated against the Jets, who's to say they haven't cheated in the past? Especially when you bring up all the fishy events that has occurred in the past, when the Patriots miraculously turn into a completely different team then they were in the first couple of minutes of the game</p> </div></p> Who's to say other teams haven't done the same thing as Pats did?</p> Pats get caught for one game and now everything they did win, you guys are sure they cheated, even for the superbowls. I'm pretty sure that each team does it.</p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller)</div><div class='quotemain'>Brian, Barry Bonds experienced an unprecedented growth in Slugging/OBP/OPS and such after 35 (and he was never close to these stats before). It is more than obvious he cheated especially with his grand jury testimony and Game of Shadows. There is not nearly as much evidence in the Patriots' case. </p> </div> </p> </p> the Patriots entered a span of unprecedented success not unlike Barry Bonds....the Patriots had never had anywhere near the success they had with Belicheck starting in 2001 and Belicheck had never had success like this before.....you put a failing coach with a 6th round QB and turn into the model dynasty? that smells just as fishy as Bonds ridiculous numbers....</p> </p></div> The difference is that the Pats were entering their prime, whereas Bonds was a 37 year old who hit 73 homeruns. It's a bad comparison, and if the Patriots continue to win and reach AFC Championships, it will make some people look silly. </p>
Re: Tomlinson: Each team does it? That's a pretty big generalization. I'm not taking anything away from the Pats, they are and were a great team, but I do question some of their victories. You can't deny the fact that there has been a lot of fishy situations in the past, the SuperBowl against the Eagles being one of them. Am I sure the Patriots cheated? No. Where did I say in my post that I am 100% positive the Patriots cheated? If I did say that, then I apologize. Because what I was saying was that I was just merely speculating. You can't tell me that after the Patriots have been caught cheating, that fans of others team won't grow suspicions about some fishy wins in the past. It doesn't work that way. If the Colts were caught cheating, I'm sure you would have some suspicions about their comeback against you guys last season in the playoffs. The same goes for us fans of other teams (sorry for the grammar mistakes, I'm typing this while doing my History homework)
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'>Each team does it? That's a pretty big generalization. I'm not taking anything away from the Pats, they are and were a great team, but I do question some of their victories. You can't deny the fact that there has been a lot of fishy situations in the past, the SuperBowl against the Eagles being one of them. Am I sure the Patriots cheated? No. Where did I say in my post that I am 100% positive the Patriots cheated? If I did say that, then I apologize. Because what I was saying was that I was just merely speculating. You can't tell me that after the Patriots have been caught cheating, that fans of others team won't grow suspicions about some fishy wins in the past. It doesn't work that way. If the Colts were caught cheating, I'm sure you would have some suspicions about their comeback against you guys last season in the playoffs. The same goes for us fans of other teams (sorry for the grammar mistakes, I'm typing this while doing my History homework)</div> The Pats did come back against the Eagles, but it wasn't a huge deficit though. I don't see why you highlight that as a great example, I just think that is another suspicious game possibly. Remember, McNabb was also making a bunch of mental errors.</p>
Re: Tomlinson: Was it a big deficit, no? Was it a major turn around? Yes. Especially with the blitz packages and the screen plays.
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mamba)</div><div class='quotemain'>Was it a big deficit, no? Was it a major turn around? Yes. Especially with the blitz packages and the screen plays.</div></p> I saw McNabb throw an interception, then he got lucky because the Patriots committed a penalty so the Interception was nullified. On the next play, he threw another interception. He fumbled in the redzone, and walked around in the two minute drill.</p> </p>
Re: Tomlinson: <font size="2"> Again, I’m not saying the Patriots cheated in the SuperBowl, but after getting caught by the NFL, I feel that I, as an Eagles fan, am entitled to my suspicions. You may or may not like it, that’s your own issue. Like I said before, if the Colts were caught cheating, I’m sure all you Patriot fans would be suspicious about your loss in the playoffs. You wouldn’t just brush it off as if it were nothing</p></font>
Re: Tomlinson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian)</div><div class='quotemain'><font size="2"> Again, I’m not saying the Patriots cheated in the SuperBowl, but after getting caught by the NFL, I feel that I, as an Eagles fan, am entitled to my suspicions. You may or may not like it, that’s your own issue. Like I said before, if the Colts were caught cheating, I’m sure all you Patriot fans would be suspicious about your loss in the playoffs. You wouldn’t just brush it off as if it were nothing</p></font></div> Yes but you are in the other extreme. The best position to take is a wait-and-see approach. </p>
