<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'> The EC titles were great, but you can't dwell on the past.</p> A Nets team without Vince Carter (and no scorer in return) would struggle to score 80 points a game.I can not see how we could advance from the first round and the EC semi's if we trade VC for AK.With the RJ for AK deal, we still have a top notch PG, SG, SF and a solid front court.</p> </div></p> I'd do that deal, too, but I think it's worse for both teams.</p> I don't agree with the bolded statement. I think the Nets would score a few points less per game and give up a WHOLE LOT less. They would win more games and be much more dangerous in the playoffs.</p> And they would finally have some focus and an identity again.</p> Another problem is that you seem to think AK is a SF and a replacement for RJ. He is not. </p> He's a so-so SF who can play there in certain matchups. AK is a PF, which was made painfully clear and obvious last season.</p> </div> </p> I agree with Stefan...and you. I disagree with you...and Stefan. Under the right circumstances, the Nets could winwithout Carter's scoring but only if they got a great defender back and Kidd remained healthy.(People should not dismiss Carter's passing ability, particularly into the post...ask Curly or Mikki) Kirilenko IS the type of player who would be ideal for the Nets IF they dumped Carter but they are NOT going to dump Carter. That was a corporate decision. Carter can sell luxury suites. Kirilenko cant and for that matter, neither can Jefferson or Kidd, who is damaged goods in terms of marketing. Besides, Carter cant be traded til December 15 and if Kirilenko is as serious as he sounds, he will be long gone by December 15. I suspect the Lakers will make a pass. </p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'> The EC titles were great, but you can't dwell on the past.</p> A Nets team without Vince Carter (and no scorer in return) would struggle to score 80 points a game. I can not see how we could advance from the first round and the EC semi's if we trade VC for AK. With the RJ for AK deal, we still have a top notch PG, SG, SF and a solid front court.</p> </div></p> I'd do that deal, too, but I think it's worse for both teams.</p> I don't agree with the bolded statement. I think the Nets would score a few points less per game and give up a WHOLE LOT less. They would win more games and be much more dangerous in the playoffs.</p> And they would finally have some focus and an identity again.</p> Another problem is that you seem to think AK is a SF and a replacement for RJ. He is not. </p> He's a so-so SF who can play there in certain matchups. AK is a PF, which was made painfully clear and obvious last season. </p> </p> </div> </p> </p> I was thinking the same think. if we got a defensive force like Kirlenko to go along with the other strong defensive players on this team, then 80 would be plenty. We could rely on RJ and Krstic a little more, and they would probably welcome that.</p> the only problem with VC-AK would be that the Nets would have a glut of big men(6), 4 of which would be projected to get good minutes this season. someone would prolly end up getting traded. </p>
AK had his career year when Boozer was down. He's a strong player while slashing to the bucket, providing weak side help on defense. With Boozer back, the Jazz have gone to a 2 man game, Willaims and Boozer. Even in the Stockton-Malone heydday, they never had that stud athletic wing player, they filled the gaps with a shooter the likes of Horny, Russell, Anderson etc. An atheltic slasher will never succeed in this offense....aka AK-47. They become a more dangerous team replacing AK-47 with a spot up shooter at the 3. If Boozer goes down, AK's your back up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'> The EC titles were great, but you can't dwell on the past.</p> A Nets team without Vince Carter (and no scorer in return) would struggle to score 80 points a game. I can not see how we could advance from the first round and the EC semi's if we trade VC for AK. With the RJ for AK deal, we still have a top notch PG, SG, SF and a solid front court.</p> </div></p> I'd do that deal, too, but I think it's worse for both teams.</p> I don't agree with the bolded statement. I think the Nets would score a few points less per game and give up a WHOLE LOT less. They would win more games and be much more dangerous in the playoffs.</p> And they would finally have some focus and an identity again.</p> Another problem is that you seem to think AK is a SF and a replacement for RJ. He is not. </p> He's a so-so SF who can play there in certain matchups. AK is a PF, which was made painfully clear and obvious last season. </p> </div> </p> I agree with Stefan...and you. I disagree with you...and Stefan. Under the right circumstances, the Nets could win without Carter's scoring but only if they got a great defender back and Kidd remained healthy. (People should not dismiss Carter's passing ability, particularly into the post...ask Curly or Mikki) Kirilenko IS the type of player who would be ideal for the Nets IF they dumped Carter but they are NOT going to dump Carter. That was a corporate decision. Carter can sell luxury suites. Kirilenko cant and for that matter, neither can Jefferson or Kidd, who is damaged goods in terms of marketing. Besides, Carter cant be traded til December 15 and if Kirilenko is as serious as he sounds, he will be long gone by December 15. I suspect the Lakers will make a pass. </p> </p> </p> </div></p> I do agree that if Kidd were injured or traded, the Nets would win more games with Carter than with Kirilenko.</p> However, would it really matter?</p> And as I said before and you mention here, Ratner has no interest in trading Carter.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'> People should really stop suggesting a Vince for AK+fills.</p> Who would play SG? RJ? Yeah right.. Who would be our go-to-guy? RJ? Yeah right...</p> I would love to swap RJ for AK though...</p> </div></p> Hey, it's Stefan. Nice to see you here. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And as I said before and you mention here, Ratner has no interest in trading Carter.</div></p> RJ has always been the center piece, when it came to trade talks. Carter was practically untouchable last season, and it's not because teams were reluctant to get a one-year rental. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'> People should really stop suggesting a Vince for AK+fills.</p> Who would play SG? RJ? Yeah right.. Who would be our go-to-guy? RJ? Yeah right...</p> I would love to swap RJ for AK though...</p> </div></p> Hey, it's Stefan. Nice to see you here. </p> </p> </div></p> I'll say!</p> I love Mikkel Kessler, and I was wondering how big a deal he is, but Stefan disappeared and I couldn't ask him.</p> I can't wait until the Calzaghe fight!</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'>Meh. I don't really think I want such an unprofessional, selfish crybaby like Kirilenko.</div></p> That is a ridiculous statement.</p> AK is none of those things.</p> </p>
JCB: Thanks. It's great to be back on a Nets forum.Ghoti: Really? I didn't think Mikkel Kessler had any fans outside Denmark. Here in Denmark he's one of the hottest athletes, and have been so for a year or so. There's more or less a Kessler update everyday on the news. The Calzaghe match is well-anticipated.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'> JCB: Thanks. It's great to be back on a Nets forum. Ghoti: Really? I didn't think Mikkel Kessler had any fans outside Denmark. Here in Denmark he's one of the hottest athletes, and have been so for a year or so. There's more or less a Kessler update everyday on the news. The Calzaghe match is well-anticipated.</p> </div></p> I've been following him for a few years now, and he's one of the best and most exciting fighters in the world.</p> That Calzaghe fight is the sporting event I'm most excited about this year.</p> Kessler has fans here. Anyone who likes boxing can't help but like him. Maybe if he beats Calzaghe (no easy task) he will come fight in the States.</p> </p> </p>
Deron Williams slams AK's work ethic on local radio show. Can anyone imagine Kidd doing this?</p> http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_6970226</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'> Deron Williams slams AK's work ethic on local radio show. Can anyone imagine Kidd doing this?</p> http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_6970226 </p> </p></div> </p> I thought the most depressing part was Williams seemingly has washed his hands of Kirilenko and trying to get him to be a part of the team. They clearly have two different approaches to the game and Deron doesn't respect AK deep down or he wouldn't make these statements. You can say ya have no hard feelings about a guy 100 times but ya say something that specific and questioning his work ethic in that manner it's pretty telling how you really feel about someone. I think Deron is a Sloan guy and he's worked through it in some way so he can't understand why Andrei can't. Now the thing is we have no idea what exactly the interaction between the two was during Williams' two seasons but it surely doesn't sound like Deron went out of his way to try to make it work.</p> On a side note of AK being a baby, I posted all my thoughts on Andrei in the Jazz forum ( http://sportstwo.com/Thread/View/NBA/UTAH/1803356 ) and I think he's a guy who just isn't the right fit on Utah and has exhausted his want to continue to make it work. After hearing Deron's comments I can see why. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It was only a matter of time: basketball pundits would start suggesting that Andrei Kirilenko for Richard Jefferson makes a lot of sense. Steve Luhm, columnist for the Salt Lake Tribune, basically advises Kevin O’Connor to get on the phone and call Rod Thorn…now. The unhappy Kirilenko, he writes, “<span><span>might be just what the Nets are seeking” while he can foresee Jefferson, who hasn’t expressed a desire to be traded, “<span><span>filling a few different roles for the Jazz.”</div></span></span></span></span></p> Source</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'>Meh. I don't really think I want such an unprofessional, selfish crybaby like Kirilenko.</div></p> That is a ridiculous statement.</p> AK is none of those things. </p> </p> </div> He is easily all of those things and more. I'm glad Deron Williams ripped him. He's a joke. Crying about a reduced role in the offense when it benefits your team..how can you even argue that that's not selfish? Demanding a trade and threatening to walk away from his contract..WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. It's extremely unprofessional and selfish. I hope he does go to Russia. The NBA doesn't need any more crybabies like him. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'>Meh. I don't really think I want such an unprofessional, selfish crybaby like Kirilenko.</div></p> That is a ridiculous statement.</p> AK is none of those things. </p> </p> </div> He is easily all of those things and more. I'm glad Deron Williams ripped him. He's a joke. Crying about a reduced role in the offense when it benefits your team..how can you even argue that that's not selfish? Demanding a trade and threatening to walk away from his contract..WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. It's extremely unprofessional and selfish. I hope he does go to Russia. The NBA doesn't need any more crybabies like him. </p> </div> </p>i don't agree with you there. i like players like andrei, players who bring a strong defensive presence to the floor. he should definitely be on another team, because obviously he does not fit with this team at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> He is easily all of those things and more. I'm glad Deron Williams ripped him. He's a joke. Crying about a reduced role in the offense when it benefits your team..how can you even argue that that's not selfish? Demanding a trade and threatening to walk away from his contract..WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. It's extremely unprofessional and selfish. I hope he does go to Russia. The NBA doesn't need any more crybabies like him. </p> </div></p> Not even him?] I'm honestly trying to differentiate between the two. On the surface I give RJ more range, but give AK more defense. It's a hard decision on my part, as I find an effectionate bond between the players; however when all is said and done RJ has been with me these years, and thats the guy I stand behind...</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'>Meh. I don't really think I want such an unprofessional, selfish crybaby like Kirilenko.</div></p> That is a ridiculous statement.</p> AK is none of those things. </p> </p> </div> He is easily all of those things and more. I'm glad Deron Williams ripped him. He's a joke. Crying about a reduced role in the offense when it benefits your team..how can you even argue that that's not selfish? Demanding a trade and threatening to walk away from his contract..WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. It's extremely unprofessional and selfish. I hope he does go to Russia. The NBA doesn't need any more crybabies like him. </p> </div></p> Just foolish. Nothing you say here is true. I don't know how your read of this situation could be any more wrong.</p> </p> </p>
