Split stats for Marcus as a rookie and then Deron as a rookie</p><h3>Month</h3> <pre> +------------------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------+ | Total | Shooting | Per Game | +------------------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------+ Split | G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS| FG% 3P% FT%| MP PTS TRB AST| +---------+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+ November | 15 281 47 114 6 34 21 23 34 43 2 1 27 24 121| 41 18 91| 19 8.1 2.3 2.9| December | 15 227 32 91 11 33 1 1 19 44 10 0 21 16 76| 35 33 100| 15 5.1 1.3 2.9| January | 13 206 38 78 11 25 17 21 29 40 9 0 22 10 104| 49 44 81| 16 8.0 2.2 3.1| February | 12 250 48 109 9 30 22 26 36 45 5 1 30 12 127| 44 30 85| 21 10.6 3.0 3.8| March | 15 220 27 85 3 21 11 13 24 57 2 0 23 26 68| 32 14 85| 15 4.5 1.6 3.8| April | 9 128 16 49 6 20 0 1 21 31 1 0 19 8 38| 33 30 0| 14 4.2 2.3 3.4| +---------+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+ </pre> </p><h3>Month</h3> <pre> +------------------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------+ | Total | Shooting | Per Game | +------------------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------+ Split | G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS| FG% 3P% FT%| MP PTS TRB AST| +---------+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+ November | 15 465 75 186 21 56 33 45 43 73 13 4 38 43 204| 40 38 73| 31 13.6 2.9 4.9| December | 14 418 48 136 8 35 11 16 41 69 10 4 25 46 115| 35 23 69| 30 8.2 2.9 4.9| January | 15 284 41 105 7 25 18 26 20 35 14 1 20 29 107| 39 28 69| 19 7.1 1.3 2.3| February | 10 273 35 83 12 19 7 13 27 34 6 0 21 30 89| 42 63 54| 27 8.9 2.7 3.4| March | 16 511 84 173 27 51 16 24 39 82 11 6 27 53 211| 49 53 67| 32 13.2 2.4 5.1| April | 10 358 56 122 16 33 10 11 24 66 6 2 14 32 138| 46 48 91| 36 13.8 2.4 6.6| +---------+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+ </pre> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'> Deron is a year and a half older than Marcus. 18 months! As a rookie, he played roughly 1,000 more minutes--2300 to 1300--that's over 75% more minutes than Marcus! Yet as a rookie, Deron scored just 10.8 points a game, on 42% shooting, with 4.5 assists per game and 1.8 turnovers per game.</p> marcus scored 6.8 points per game and averaged 3.3 assists. At the same rate, had he played the same number of minutes as a rookie as Deron did, he would have scored 12.0 points per game and dished out 5.8 assists. He shot slightly lower from the field (39%) but MUCH higher from the line (84%). Yes, Marcus is bad on defense--according to Dean Oliver's defensive rating calculation, he comes out at 109, when the league average is 106 (lower is better). But Deron is just as bad--his rating each of his first two years was 110 (this stat, by the way, incorporates a number of assumptions, and I'm not convinced that it is entirely valid, but it seems to do a reasonable job separating defenders into discrete categories).</p> Deron made a huge jump his second year. Marcus could, too. But remember, he is still YOUNGER than Deron was when he was a rookie. Give the kid some slack.</p>Some of you hate Marcus and think he won't amount to anything. We get it. I prefer to wait and see.</div> </p> wow, i thought Deron was a really good defender....?? this surprises me.</p> any Utah fans who can inform us on this? </p>
the splits were interesting. March and April were Marcus' two worst months, while they were Deron's two BEST months. For the first four months of their rookie years, their rookie seasons were much more similar. get this: Through their first four months of their rookie seasons, Deron averaged 9.5 points, 3.9 assists, and 2.4 rebounds in 26.6 minutes on 39% shooting (!!). Marcus averaged 7.8 points, 3.1 assists, 2.1 rebounds in 17.5 minutes, on 42% shooting (take that, Deron).</p> They just diverged drastically over the last two months. You can come up with theories as to WHY Marcus slumped, but the bottom line is that over the first four months of his rookie season, they were comparable.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'> but the bottom line is that over the first four months of his rookie season, they were comparable.</p> </div></p> They were statistically comparable. If you watched them both play, there is no comparison </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'> but the bottom line is that over the first four months of his rookie season, they were comparable.</p> </div></p> They were statistically comparable. If you watched them both play, there is no comparison </p> </p></div> From the objective to the subjective. How often did you watch Deron play during the first four months of his rookie year? Can you separate the last two months of Marcus' season from the first four in your mind?</p> The largest black mark on Marcus' record during those months is the turnovers--the same number as Deron, in roughly 500 fewer minutes. He also had significantly fewer steals. However, Marcus also committed less than half the personal fouls that Deron did.</p>
Deron Williams was the 4th overall pick in a relatively weak draft. Marcus Williams was the 22nd pick in a stronger draft, and he probably fell about 10 spots due to questions about his attitude and character. Even if Marcus had been drafted in the lottery, that's still a huge difference. It's unfair to expect Marcus to turn into Deron Williams - there are plenty of reasons as to why that won't happen. But if Marcus can be 3/4 the player Deron is, well, that'd be fantastic for us. And that doesn't seem unreasonable.</p>
He is going to be great for us this year. I agree with the guy that said Deron Williams part 2. I think Marcus has the talent and heart to be one of the better point guards in the league. His time may be coming sooner then you think.
He definitely has the ability/talent to be a very good pg, but again I must stress his flaws until we have seen he has learned from them. Deron made a huge jump. Dont think every rookie pg who had a bad year will make a jump like he did. Can Marcus be as good as Deron? Yes. But will we actually make the jump? Possibly, but dont bet on it.</p> </p> And note, im not giving up on this kid after a year. That is by all means ridiculous to do. I am just pointing out that one shouldnt expect a "deron williams improvement"</p>
Dave D said it takes more than one year for rookie point gaurds to truly develop, and most of that development is mentally. </p> So to give up on Marcus Williams now would be ridicliously dumb.</p>
Let's also not forget Deron had a lot more minutes than Marcus to catch on to the game and lead a team from day one and got valuable experience Marcus unfortunately wont get because he plays limited minutes behind J Kidd. Minutes on the floor dont just help statwise they also help you to learn and mentally grasp other aspects of the game. Once a player has time to work through mistakes and see things on the floor for big minutes per night their game can improve drastically, Marcus will just need more time because he doesnt have the opportunity to get those big minutes here. It'll take time but he'll be alright.
the difference between marcus and the other young pgs being mentioned is that marcus is a backup. he is not the main focus of the franchise right now. yes we know he is important, but right now we have Kidd at the point. marcus will only get a few minutes to make an impact on a team and one or two mistakes looks bigger than one or two mistakes deron or paul does because he isnt playing 40mins a game. marcus has a small windown to play great while he is in the game. when marcus becomes a fulltime starter then we will know really how good he can become and if he can lead a team to the playoffs and do some damage in the playoffs, but right now im thankful to still be watching kidd run my team. marcus' time will come. i just hope he doesnt pound the ball as much as he did last year. bring it up and get the ball moving.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xcalibur`)</div><div class='quotemain'>the difference between marcus and the other young pgs being mentioned is that marcus is a backup. he is not the main focus of the franchise right now. yes we know he is important, but right now we have Kidd at the point. marcus will only get a few minutes to make an impact on a team and one or two mistakes looks bigger than one or two mistakes deron or paul does because he isnt playing 40mins a game. marcus has a small windown to play great while he is in the game. when marcus becomes a fulltime starter then we will know really how good he can become and if he can lead a team to the playoffs and do some damage in the playoffs, but right now im thankful to still be watching kidd run my team. marcus' time will come. i just hope he doesnt pound the ball as much as he did last year. bring it up and get the ball moving.</div></p> Yeah, I hope so too. Hopefully he can run the offense more smoothly this year. He only has to do it for like 10-15 minutes a game as opposed to starting pgs who do it for 30-40 minutes a game</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'> but the bottom line is that over the first four months of his rookie season, they were comparable.</p> </div></p> They were statistically comparable. If you watched them both play, there is no comparison </p> </p></div> From the objective to the subjective. How often did you watch Deron play during the first four months of his rookie year? Can you separate the last two months of Marcus' season from the first four in your mind?</p> The largest black mark on Marcus' record during those months is the turnovers--the same number as Deron, in roughly 500 fewer minutes. He also had significantly fewer steals. However, Marcus also committed less than half the personal fouls that Deron did.</p></div> No it is going from on paper to scouting. This is yet another in a long line of on paper comparisons that break down when one uses their eyes. </p> Torrents are beautiful, although illegal, things that allow the people that are willing to take the time to download them to analyze players. Deron was one of my favorite players from that draft and I did download a majority of his games. The attempts to compare Marcus to Deron pre-2006 draft were just silly and the comparison is now ridiculous.</p> Marcus problems on the court as a rookie were far more than just his turnovers.</p> Having hope for Marcus is one thing, but the comparisons to Deron are wonderful unitentional comedy </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'> Dave D said it takes more than one year for rookie point gaurds to truly develop, and most of that development is mentally. </p> So to give up on Marcus Williams now would be ridicliously dumb.</p> </div></p> Define giving up on Marcus.</p> Yes, he needs time to develop and the Nets can give him that. I just see no reason to go into the season with him as the #2 PG again.</p> </p>
And on the other hand, I think Marcus is more good-looking than Deron.</p> </p> Sorry, it's just a personal opinion.</p> And I hate the Tatoo on Deron's arm. It's disturbing.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J.S)</div><div class='quotemain'>Which player has better passing?</div> They are pretty much evenly matched in passing. They both have great court vision and can find an open teammate, but Marcus was a bit too careless throughout the season, always looking for the homerun pass. I assume that this mentality will be go away in his second year, since last year he was trying too hard to prove others wrong. </p>
