Dude, if the moderating were "heavy handed" someone would have edited the content of your posts. No one did. No one would. I've been one of the few mods that's even opposed to the language filters because I don't have any problems with people fucking cursing (though I also don't give a shit that the words shit and fuck get edited out). You're really throwing a tantrum over nothing here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px">patriots still rule <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px"></div></span></span> So they hired you to be their new audience cameraman then? </p> </div></p> haha, and they're paying me good </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px; color: #000000; font-family: Times"> There was no "heavy-handed moderation". And you started the new thread with one thing in mind, you're not fooling me here. However, there's no need for you to get upset and take this personally as it had zilch to do with you and everything to do with trying to make our jobs as moderators easier (because we're charged with growing these boards, and part of that is preventing people from walking away). If I had been looking at the Lakers board and noticed a Rockets fan doing this I would have done the exact same thing. When S2 started we were supposed to keep this sort of thing to a manageable level. That's why I tried to do it, except that thread titles can't even be changed yet, so nothing happened. I've discussed this with Blackadder and consider the matter closed.</div></span> You can talk with BA all you want and you can consider this matter closed, but that doesn't mean anything to me. You and I are going to have problems as long as you continue to try and sully my reputation as a baiter. I've given you plenty of examples where I've been hard of football players of plenty of teams. Trust me, if I was the type to bait someone, I could do a much better job than this thread. Regardless, this tread is consistant with my posting style for as long as I've been with NFL Forums and it's never been a problem because I'm going after public figures. I'm really trying to make SportsTwo my new posting home, but this whole thing is starting to make me feel like us NFL Forum guys are just dirty step kids that better not get our feet on the nice couch or maybe it is just me.</p> </p></div> With respect to going after public figures - these people are not your family, friends, or relatives. They are fair game, as Denny said. It is you, the fan, who are taking this whole thread way too seriously, personally, and makes your collective egos appear to be completely fragile and paranoid. Is that what you want to express? Claiming things like people are trying to "bait" patriot fans just for the thrill of doing it is just an excuse not to discuss a new and relevant topic within the forums. It really appears that all you want here is a bunch of "yes" men, and anything unsupportive of NE not permitted. That *is* heavy-handed, and elmunro has spent way too much energy talking about the posters and not the topic itself. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, if the moderating were "heavy handed" someone would have edited the content of your posts. No one did. No one would. I've been one of the few mods that's even opposed to the language filters because I don't have any problems with people fucking cursing (though I also don't give a shit that the words shit and fuck get edited out). You're really throwing a tantrum over nothing here.</div> </p> What in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last post said nothing about editing. Did you even bother to read it? There's no getting anywhere with you because, when someone makes a good point, you deflect and refuse to acknowledge it. You might as well delete this thread. You didn't want anyone talking about how big a cheater Rodney Harrison is, so you came in here and derailed this thread to the point where I'm deflecting your baseless accusations of being a baiter instead of how Harrison was taking HGH before a Super Bowl. Good work.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, if the moderating were "heavy handed" someone would have edited the content of your posts. No one did. No one would. I've been one of the few mods that's even opposed to the language filters because I don't have any problems with people fucking cursing (though I also don't give a shit that the words shit and fuck get edited out). You're really throwing a tantrum over nothing here.</div> </p> What in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last post said nothing about editing. Did you even bother to read it? There's no getting anywhere with you because, when someone makes a good point, you deflect and refuse to acknowledge it. You might as well delete this thread. You didn't want anyone talking about how big a cheater Rodney Harrison is, so you came in here and derailed this thread to the point where I'm deflecting your baseless accusations of being a baiter instead of how Harrison was taking HGH before a Super Bowl. Good work.</p> </p> </div></p> Harrison is not a cheater. Where in the article does it say he cheated? You made the title of the thread he CHEATED. Big difference from the article. (which is by the herald, which likes to speculate a lot).</p> He simply took HGH, which I'm sure you know very well, a lot of players do. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, if the moderating were "heavy handed" someone would have edited the content of your posts. No one did. No one would. I've been one of the few mods that's even opposed to the language filters because I don't have any problems with people fucking cursing (though I also don't give a shit that the words shit and fuck get edited out). You're really throwing a tantrum over nothing here.</div> </p> What in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last post said nothing about editing. Did you even bother to read it? There's no getting anywhere with you because, when someone makes a good point, you deflect and refuse to acknowledge it. You might as well delete this thread. You didn't want anyone talking about how big a cheater Rodney Harrison is, so you came in here and derailed this thread to the point where I'm deflecting your baseless accusations of being a baiter instead of how Harrison was taking HGH before a Super Bowl. Good work.</p> </p> </div></p> Harrison is not a cheater. Where in the article does it say he cheated? You made the title of the thread he CHEATED. Big difference from the article. (which is by the herald, which likes to speculate a lot).</p> He simply took HGH, which I'm sure you know very well, a lot of players do. </p> </p> </div> </p> HGH is a banned substance. Taking HGH is cheating. If the NFL didn't feel the same way, then why is Harrison suspended. I would say the same thing about a Dolphin player if one was caught taking HGH.</p> </p>
[quote name='DolfanDale'][quote name='CelticKing'][quote name='DolfanDale'] [quote name='ehmunro']Dude, if the moderating were "heavy handed" someone would have edited the content of your posts. No one did. No one would. I've been one of the few mods that's even opposed to the language filters because I don't have any problems with people fucking cursing (though I also don't give a shit that the words shit and fuck get edited out). You're really throwing a tantrum over nothing here.[/QUOTE] </p> What in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last post said nothing about editing. Did you even bother to read it? There's no getting anywhere with you because, when someone makes a good point, you deflect and refuse to acknowledge it. You might as well delete this thread. You didn't want anyone talking about how big a cheater Rodney Harrison is, so you came in here and derailed this thread to the point where I'm deflecting your baseless accusations of being a baiter instead of how Harrison was taking HGH before a Super Bowl. Good work.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Harrison is not a cheater. Where in the article does it say he cheated? You made the title of the thread he CHEATED. Big difference from the article. (which is by the herald, which likes to speculate a lot).</p> He simply took HGH, which I'm sure you know very well, a lot of players do. </p> </p> [/QUOTE] </p> HGH is a banned substance. Taking HGH is cheating. If the NFL didn't feel the same way, then why is Harrison suspended. I would say the same thing about a Dolphin player if one was caught taking HGH.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Why wasn't Harrison banned from the league (or suspended for a year) if the league is so agaisnt HGH? Taking HGH might have helped him heal better than he would on his own. No way did it help him on the field. (which you believe it did and doing it so he cheated)</p> </p>
This is my last post in this increasingly worthless thread. As I made clear from the start there was no personal intent here. We mods were supposed to keep the acrimony to manageable levels when S2 started. Period. I'm not sure how many more ways I can say that you're taking this way too personally when it didn't have anything to do with you. If I could have merged the Harrison threads, I would have. No ones words were edited and we're very specific that that not happen. So the outrage over not having your opinions censored strikes me as a little baffling.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>Why wasn't Harrison banned from the league (or suspended for a year) if the league is so agaisnt HGH? Taking HGH might have helped him heal better than he would on his own. No way did it help him on the field. (which you believe it did and doing it so he cheated)</div> OK, I lied. One more. The reason is that the NFL has a substance abuse policy built into the CBA. A four game suspension is mandatory for second violations, if I recall correctly. I believe a third is a year's suspension. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>So first violation is nothing?</div> I believe the first violation requires treatment and is followed up by random testing. But the random testing is urine testing, so unless the players are pretty stupid (and fail to take epitestosterone along with their steroids to flummox the urine test) or get caught the way Harrison did, the follow up is mostly meaningless. (But, the four game suspension is probably evidence that Harrison previously violated the substance abuse policy.) About the only NFL player we can say isn't using them is Richard Seymour, given that his recovery time forarthroscopic surgery is actually normal.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'>This is my last post in this increasingly worthless thread. As I made clear from the start there was no personal intent here. We mods were supposed to keep the acrimony to manageable levels when S2 started. Period. I'm not sure how many more ways I can say that you're taking this way too personally when it didn't have anything to do with you. If I could have merged the Harrison threads, I would have. No ones words were edited and we're very specific that that not happen. So the outrage over not having your opinions censored strikes me as a little baffling.</div> Again, what in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last several posts have said nothing about having my opinions censored. Having said that, I feel that you would have been wrong had you merged the threads and Denny, himself, said that he understood my reasoning for starting this thread. My big problem with you is that you seem to have an agenda. I haven't figured out if it's to label me as a baiter or to simply squash this thread and you don't care if you have to make baseless accusation to do it. Yes, this thread has become an increasingly worthless thread. Good job.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>So first violation is nothing?</div> I believe the first violation requires treatment and is followed up by random testing. But the random testing is urine testing, so unless the players are pretty stupid (and fail to take epitestosterone along with their steroids to flummox the urine test) or get caught the way Harrison did, the follow up is mostly meaningless. (But, the four game suspension is probably evidence that Harrison previously violated the substance abuse policy.) About the only NFL player we can say isn't using them is Richard Seymour, given that his recovery time for arthroscopic surgery is actually normal. </p> </div></p> Thanks for clearing that up. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Again, what in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last several posts have said nothing about having my opinions censored. Having said that, I feel that you would have been wrong had you merged the threads and Denny, himself, said that he understood my reasoning for starting this thread. My big problem with you is that you seem to have an agenda. I haven't figured out if it's to label me as a baiter or to simply squash this thread and you don't care if you have to make baseless accusation to do it. Yes, this thread has become an increasingly worthless thread. Good job.</div> I am sorry that you've taken this personally, nothing personal was ever meant by it. There was no agenda, I have stated my reasons for making the non-edit, and they had nothing at all to do with you. If you're hurt or offended, I'm sorry. That was never the intention, as I've said several times already, it had nothing whatsoever to do with you.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'> Happy? </div></p> haha, yes!!! </div></p> How about my new slogan?</p> (I know that emoticon doesn't fit, but I had to use it)</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'> Happy? </div></p> haha, yes!!! </div></p> How about my new slogan? </p> (I know that emoticon doesn't fit, but I had to use it)</p> </div></p> haha, I like it. </p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ehmunro)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Again, what in the blue blazes are you talking about? My last several posts have said nothing about having my opinions censored. Having said that, I feel that you would have been wrong had you merged the threads and Denny, himself, said that he understood my reasoning for starting this thread. My big problem with you is that you seem to have an agenda. I haven't figured out if it's to label me as a baiter or to simply squash this thread and you don't care if you have to make baseless accusation to do it. Yes, this thread has become an increasingly worthless thread. Good job.</div> I am sorry that you've taken this personally, nothing personal was ever meant by it. There was no agenda, I have stated my reasons for making the non-edit, and they had nothing at all to do with you. If you're hurt or offended, I'm sorry. That was never the intention, as I've said several times already, it had nothing whatsoever to do with you.</p> </div> </p> I've taken it personally because no matter how many athletes I have listed that I have come down hard on (and shown support to back it up), no matter that this thread is consistant with my posting history at NFL Forums and no matter that I have said that this thread was more of a condemnation of Harrison's actions and not an attempt at baiting, you haven't accepted that and you keep saying that I'm not fooling anyone. So, why should I take your word that none of this is personal? I'm really trying to jump in here and be part of SportsTwo. I know you weren't part of NFL Forums, but, out of respect, perhaps you should go back and read some of our threads OR you could just not make assumptions about our intentions until you get to know us. My posting style can be harsh, but I am calling them like I see them. When I started "The INDISPUTABLE Truth about Michael Vick" thread IN THE FALCONS forum, it could have been called baiting because I certainly wasn't pulling any punches. However, it was a great thread with a lot of good debate and I'm not sure if it's even dead yet and it's a couple of years old. If you think I should takeyour word that it isn't personal, then perhaps you could give my word a ounce of credit.</p> Personally, I'm just not feeling any respect for the NFL Forum guys. Perhaps we should have complained about the layout and generally whined a little more and maybe a little more effort would have been madeto get to know us. I'm not talking about always agreeing with us. Argue with us. Debate with us. Just get to know us before you start talking to us about our intentions. Have you noticed how many regular NFL Forum guys have not been posting or posting irregularly? It's like walking into a new house with a bunch of strangers and trying to fit in. How many timesdo I have to say that I had a good reputation at the NFL Forums and I'm not willing to start over as a newbie before you guys hear me? I really feel like ehmunro may have thought that I was baiting because he doesn't know me, but an IM would have worked better than an EDIT. I might have changed it myself if someone had tried to talk to me before casting me as a baiter. I want SportsTwo to work and be successful, but I'm not going to hang out if I'm just the ugly stepchild. </p> </p>
For the record & as far as I am sentient, Ehm and I are fine. </p> Dale & I.... well we're like Kevin Nash & Scott Hall or is that Shawn Michaels & Hunter Helmsley?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'> Why wasn't Harrison banned from the league (or suspended for a year) if the league is so agaisnt HGH? Taking HGH might have helped him heal better than he would on his own. No way did it help him on the field. (which you believe it did and doing it so he cheated</div> </p> He was punished in accordance w/the leagues policy for 1st time offenders. If he progresses up the Ricky W scale then his punishment will increase as well. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Old Bob)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If someone had come to any one of you, say, back in March. And told you that an NFL team would get into big trouble. That they'd be accused of taping other teams illegally, and doing all manner of underhanded crap. Everybody here would have said, "Yep, Al Davis is at it again".</font></p> Sometimes the bad guys aint who you think they are.</p> </div></p> <font style="background-color: #ff0000" face="Tahoma" color="#ffff00" size="4">Whoa, hold on a minute there Old Bob. No one is saying the Raiders arent evil in this thread. Our attention is just temporarlly diverted.</font> </p> </p>
