Ok this bothers me a lot. 1st off don't get me wrong but I believe Green Bay should move on without Favre soon and Rodgers needs playing time. What bothers me if Rodgers was taken 24th overall. Campbell was taken 25th. The Packers are 1-4 and the Redskins are 2-4. So I hope the media uses the same logic they use with Favre and say a time to bench Mark Brunell and play Jason Campbell. Brunell is playing very similar to Favre as well. He has 5 touchdowns and 3 interceptions. Favre has 6 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Both over 1,000 yards. Although Favre doesn't have Santana Moss, Randel El and Brandon Lloyd. Favre also doesn't have Clinton Portis and a good offensive line. In terms of who these teams lost to. GB has lost to Chicago, New Orleans, St. Louis, and Philly. Combine record is 18-5. Washington has lost to Minnesota, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, and Tennessee. Combine record is 10-11. So I'm going to do a wait and see and what I hear this week. In my opinion Washington is in the exact same situation GB is in now. I hope ESPN Radio, Jim Rome, Inside the NFL, and all the other shows take in account it's time to play Jason Campbell as well as Aaron Rodgers. Not bench Favre and let Brunell stink it up but it's okay because the "experts" thought they were going to be good. It?s ridiculous to hear that Favre has held GB hostage because he?s not going up to McCarthy and saying ?Bench Me? and watch the Redskins in the exact same situation and Washington of course gets left alone.
Favre will start for Green Bay all year unless one of three things happens: 1. Favre gets hurt. 2. Favre takes himself out of the game. 3. Favre gets traded. It's that simple. Whether it's "right" or not is up for debate, but regardless, it's a fact. As much as you want Rodgers to start, it won't happen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Favre will start for Green Bay all year unless one of three things happens: 1. Favre gets hurt. 2. Favre takes himself out of the game. 3. Favre gets traded. It's that simple. Whether it's "right" or not is up for debate, but regardless, it's a fact. As much as you want Rodgers to start, it won't happen.</div> This thread isn't about Aaron Rodgers and Favre. It's about the media and them bashing Favre because they want Rodgers. I think Favre should start until GB is out of the playoff mathmatically. After that then common sense says Rodgers in his 2nd year needs to see action. I'm saying look at Washington and Green Bay. Same situation yet nobody says crap about Washington playing Jason Campbell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>This thread isn't about Aaron Rodgers and Favre. It's about the media and them bashing Favre because they want Rodgers. I think Favre should start until GB is out of the playoff mathmatically. After that then common sense says Rodgers in his 2nd year needs to see action. I'm saying look at Washington and Green Bay. Same situation yet nobody says crap about Washington playing Jason Campbell.</div> That's a good point. I mis-read the intent of the original post.
Agree with everything Porky and haven't thought of that. All you have to do is look at Rivers and the Chargers this year to see that sitting for 2 years doesn't hurt a rookie. It is interesting how the media can be so full of it but what else is knew. As much as I love the guy, even as one of his biggest fans I can see during his good years how the media often overdid it praising him and building him up even to much for me sometimes. Now though when he's down all of the sudden they're all quick to kick him. Oh well in the end we all know that the media has to run together and no one will ever dare stick up for a guy when no one else is
I was never sold on Washington in the preseason mainly because of Mark Brunell. I don't think that the Skins can contend with him at QB. I think Gibbs has to start feeling some pressure soon and Campbell needs to be put in. One argument I would make for the Skins not putting Campbell in....I think that Rodgers is much more ready to have some sort of success starting than Campbell does at this point. But Campbell needs some sort of game action. I really do see the situations as a little different because of the readiness of the two QBs. The question is....is Washington ready to accept that they aren't going to the playoffs? I don't think Gibbs and Snyder are ready to admit that yet therefore, you won't see Campbell anytime soon. Porky, you know my feelings on Favre. I hated that whole "will I stay or will I go" crap he's pulled the last two years. If it takes him that long to figure it out, then he needs to go. Favre is a great player. He's a living legend, but he's got a terrible ego that he enjoys massaging. I question if it's his ego or his heart that is keeping him in the game. I really started to question the same thing about Emmitt Smith in the last couple of seasons in his career. I believe it was Emmitt's ego that kept him playing longer than he should. I feel the same thing about Favre.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'>I was never sold on Washington in the preseason mainly because of Mark Brunell. I don't think that the Skins can contend with him at QB. I think Gibbs has to start feeling some pressure soon and Campbell needs to be put in. One argument I would make for the Skins not putting Campbell in....I think that Rodgers is much more ready to have some sort of success starting than Campbell does at this point. But Campbell needs some sort of game action. I really do see the situations as a little different because of the readiness of the two QBs. The question is....is Washington ready to accept that they aren't going to the playoffs? I don't think Gibbs and Snyder are ready to admit that yet therefore, you won't see Campbell anytime soon. Porky, you know my feelings on Favre. I hated that whole "will I stay or will I go" crap he's pulled the last two years. If it takes him that long to figure it out, then he needs to go. Favre is a great player. He's a living legend, but he's got a terrible ego that he enjoys massaging. I question if it's his ego or his heart that is keeping him in the game. I really started to question the same thing about Emmitt Smith in the last couple of seasons in his career. I believe it was Emmitt's ego that kept him playing longer than he should. I feel the same thing about Favre.</div> I think Favre really does want to win. I think he came back to prove people wrong on his play last year so yeah you could say he has an ego but what player doesn't? Last year Rodgers was awful in practices and preseason. He couldn't hit anything. He struggled. He wasn't grasping the NFL game. This year he looked much better in preseason and really made people more comfortable about the future. I think both Campbell and Rodgers need to see time soon. I just think the media needs to lay off of Green Bay when a team like Washington is in the same exact situation. Denver on the other hand would be an example of a different situation. They are winning and in contention.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'>I was never sold on Washington in the preseason mainly because of Mark Brunell. I don't think that the Skins can contend with him at QB. I think Gibbs has to start feeling some pressure soon and Campbell needs to be put in. One argument I would make for the Skins not putting Campbell in....I think that Rodgers is much more ready to have some sort of success starting than Campbell does at this point. But Campbell needs some sort of game action. I really do see the situations as a little different because of the readiness of the two QBs. The question is....is Washington ready to accept that they aren't going to the playoffs? I don't think Gibbs and Snyder are ready to admit that yet therefore, you won't see Campbell anytime soon. Porky, you know my feelings on Favre. I hated that whole "will I stay or will I go" crap he's pulled the last two years. If it takes him that long to figure it out, then he needs to go. Favre is a great player. He's a living legend, but he's got a terrible ego that he enjoys massaging. I question if it's his ego or his heart that is keeping him in the game. I really started to question the same thing about Emmitt Smith in the last couple of seasons in his career. I believe it was Emmitt's ego that kept him playing longer than he should. I feel the same thing about Favre.</div> I think Favre really does want to win. I think he came back to prove people wrong on his play last year so yeah you could say he has an ego but what player doesn't? Last year Rodgers was awful in practices and preseason. He couldn't hit anything. He struggled. He wasn't grasping the NFL game. This year he looked much better in preseason and really made people more comfortable about the future. I think both Campbell and Rodgers need to see time soon. I just think the media needs to lay off of Green Bay when a team like Washington is in the same exact situation. Denver on the other hand would be an example of a different situation. They are winning and in contention.</div> I think Washington is a lot closer to Denver's and Dallas' situation than Green Bay is though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'>I was never sold on Washington in the preseason mainly because of Mark Brunell. I don't think that the Skins can contend with him at QB. I think Gibbs has to start feeling some pressure soon and Campbell needs to be put in. One argument I would make for the Skins not putting Campbell in....I think that Rodgers is much more ready to have some sort of success starting than Campbell does at this point. But Campbell needs some sort of game action. I really do see the situations as a little different because of the readiness of the two QBs. The question is....is Washington ready to accept that they aren't going to the playoffs? I don't think Gibbs and Snyder are ready to admit that yet therefore, you won't see Campbell anytime soon. Porky, you know my feelings on Favre. I hated that whole "will I stay or will I go" crap he's pulled the last two years. If it takes him that long to figure it out, then he needs to go. Favre is a great player. He's a living legend, but he's got a terrible ego that he enjoys massaging. I question if it's his ego or his heart that is keeping him in the game. I really started to question the same thing about Emmitt Smith in the last couple of seasons in his career. I believe it was Emmitt's ego that kept him playing longer than he should. I feel the same thing about Favre.</div> I think Favre really does want to win. I think he came back to prove people wrong on his play last year so yeah you could say he has an ego but what player doesn't? Last year Rodgers was awful in practices and preseason. He couldn't hit anything. He struggled. He wasn't grasping the NFL game. This year he looked much better in preseason and really made people more comfortable about the future. I think both Campbell and Rodgers need to see time soon. I just think the media needs to lay off of Green Bay when a team like Washington is in the same exact situation. Denver on the other hand would be an example of a different situation. They are winning and in contention.</div> I think Washington is a lot closer to Denver's and Dallas' situation than Green Bay is though.</div> True but the next time Washington wins a Super Bowl, Brunell won't be the QB. The next time Green Bay wins a Super Bowl, Favre won't be the QB. If there to win one in the next 5 to 10 years Campbell and Rodgers would likely be their QB. Of course their is that potential bust factor.
To me it's not the same situation at all. The Packers have been pathetic for awhile now. The Skins are coming off a very strong season a year ago. Brunell if he wasn't should have been comeback player of the year IMO. Prior to the draft Aaron Rodgers was being mentioned for #1 overall. I don't ever recall hearing that said of Campbell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>To me it's not the same situation at all. The Packers have been pathetic for awhile now. The Skins are coming off a very strong season a year ago. Brunell if he wasn't should have been comeback player of the year IMO. Prior to the draft Aaron Rodgers was being mentioned for #1 overall. I don't ever recall hearing that said of Campbell.</div> Green Bay has had one losing season since 1992 and that was last year. So they were far from pathetic for a while now. Washington was coming off a good season last year but even when GB was bad last year you heard "Aaron Rodgers should play" Now Washington is 2-4 and they go at Indy next week so likely 2-5. They still have to play Philly and Dallas twice and with the way things are going, they aren't sweeping either or. There season is a long shot now much like Green Bay's. So why not play Campbell because it's the exact same logic everyone uses for GB and Rodgers. Rodgers was also a long shot to go top 10. I saw his drop. I had him going to Washington in my mock draft actually at #25. The only reason why he was even mentioned in the same league as a prospect as Alex Smith was because John York in San Fran has a history of being cheap and Rodgers is a hometown boy who would of signed for less money. Miami, Cleveland, Arizona, Washington (the 1st pick) all passed on him so it's not like he was this stud prospect coming out. I think Rodgers should see time but if people are going to bash Favre and McCarthy, then I hope the use the same logic for Brunell and Gibbs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>To me it's not the same situation at all. The Packers have been pathetic for awhile now. The Skins are coming off a very strong season a year ago. Brunell if he wasn't should have been comeback player of the year IMO. Prior to the draft Aaron Rodgers was being mentioned for #1 overall. I don't ever recall hearing that said of Campbell.</div> Green Bay has had one losing season since 1992 and that was last year. So they were far from pathetic for a while now. Washington was coming off a good season last year but even when GB was bad last year you heard "Aaron Rodgers should play" Now Washington is 2-4 and they go at Indy next week so likely 2-5. They still have to play Philly and Dallas twice and with the way things are going, they aren't sweeping either or. There season is a long shot now much like Green Bay's. So why not play Campbell because it's the exact same logic everyone uses for GB and Rodgers. Rodgers was also a long shot to go top 10. I saw his drop. I had him going to Washington in my mock draft actually at #25. The only reason why he was even mentioned in the same league as a prospect as Alex Smith was because John York in San Fran has a history of being cheap and Rodgers is a hometown boy who would of signed for less money. Miami, Cleveland, Arizona, Washington (the 1st pick) all passed on him so it's not like he was this stud prospect coming out. I think Rodgers should see time but if people are going to bash Favre and McCarthy, then I hope the use the same logic for Brunell and Gibbs.</div> To be honest, I haven't heard much of the national media screaming for Favre to get out of the way and let Rodgers in. I've heard a couple mention it, but no one has made a big deal about it. I think this comes back to the readiness of the two QBs more than the situations though. Rodgers is more NFL ready than Campbell is at this time. I know this is just bugging the hell out of all Packer fans. Also remember another thing about Brunell...he had a pretty good year last season and was arguably the 3rd best QB in the NFC last season, not that that says a hell of a whole lot. Favre had arguably the worst season of his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>To me it's not the same situation at all. The Packers have been pathetic for awhile now. The Skins are coming off a very strong season a year ago. Brunell if he wasn't should have been comeback player of the year IMO. Prior to the draft Aaron Rodgers was being mentioned for #1 overall. I don't ever recall hearing that said of Campbell.</div> Green Bay has had one losing season since 1992 and that was last year. So they were far from pathetic for a while now. Washington was coming off a good season last year but even when GB was bad last year you heard "Aaron Rodgers should play" Now Washington is 2-4 and they go at Indy next week so likely 2-5. They still have to play Philly and Dallas twice and with the way things are going, they aren't sweeping either or. There season is a long shot now much like Green Bay's. So why not play Campbell because it's the exact same logic everyone uses for GB and Rodgers. Rodgers was also a long shot to go top 10. I saw his drop. I had him going to Washington in my mock draft actually at #25. The only reason why he was even mentioned in the same league as a prospect as Alex Smith was because John York in San Fran has a history of being cheap and Rodgers is a hometown boy who would of signed for less money. Miami, Cleveland, Arizona, Washington (the 1st pick) all passed on him so it's not like he was this stud prospect coming out. I think Rodgers should see time but if people are going to bash Favre and McCarthy, then I hope the use the same logic for Brunell and Gibbs.</div> To be honest, I haven't heard much of the national media screaming for Favre to get out of the way and let Rodgers in. I've heard a couple mention it, but no one has made a big deal about it. I think this comes back to the readiness of the two QBs more than the situations though. Rodgers is more NFL ready than Campbell is at this time. I know this is just bugging the hell out of all Packer fans. Also remember another thing about Brunell...he had a pretty good year last season and was arguably the 3rd best QB in the NFC last season, not that that says a hell of a whole lot. Favre had arguably the worst season of his career.</div> This is true but look at the numbers now. Both are playing very similar and Brunell has much more weapons on offense then Favre does. The fact is though both teams will be looking at the future. I agree that Rodgers is more NFL Ready but Campbell is now a year into his career. In his 2nd season. Vince Young is probably just as raw as he was and he's starting in Tennessee now. So why shouldn't Campbell start if guys like Rodgers have to? Jim Rome talks a lot about it and Inside the NFL has before. NFL Network as well, every time the Pack lose. They give Mooch a hard time because he's a Packer fan at heart I believe. Anyways I have no problem with the change. It has to happen eventually. I have a problem with the fact that they are singling out Green Bay and in a negative way really. It?s like Dallas and TO. When you talk Dallas all you hear is TO. When they talk Green Bay all you hear is benching Favre. When you talk Washington you get nothing. Maybe it?s the star power but it?s not like Washington is a small market unnoticeable team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'> Green Bay has had one losing season since 1992 and that was last year. So they were far from pathetic for a while now. Washington was coming off a good season last year but even when GB was bad last year you heard "Aaron Rodgers should play" Now Washington is 2-4 and they go at Indy next week so likely 2-5. They still have to play Philly and Dallas twice and with the way things are going, they aren't sweeping either or. There season is a long shot now much like Green Bay's. So why not play Campbell because it's the exact same logic everyone uses for GB and Rodgers. Rodgers was also a long shot to go top 10. I saw his drop. I had him going to Washington in my mock draft actually at #25. The only reason why he was even mentioned in the same league as a prospect as Alex Smith was because John York in San Fran has a history of being cheap and Rodgers is a hometown boy who would of signed for less money. Miami, Cleveland, Arizona, Washington (the 1st pick) all passed on him so it's not like he was this stud prospect coming out. I think Rodgers should see time but if people are going to bash Favre and McCarthy, then I hope the use the same logic for Brunell and Gibbs.</div> To be honest, I haven't heard much of the national media screaming for Favre to get out of the way and let Rodgers in. I've heard a couple mention it, but no one has made a big deal about it. I think this comes back to the readiness of the two QBs more than the situations though. Rodgers is more NFL ready than Campbell is at this time. I know this is just bugging the hell out of all Packer fans. Also remember another thing about Brunell...he had a pretty good year last season and was arguably the 3rd best QB in the NFC last season, not that that says a hell of a whole lot. Favre had arguably the worst season of his career.</div> This is true but look at the numbers now. Both are playing very similar and Brunell has much more weapons on offense then Favre does. The fact is though both teams will be looking at the future. I agree that Rodgers is more NFL Ready but Campbell is now a year into his career. In his 2nd season. Vince Young is probably just as raw as he was and he's starting in Tennessee now. So why shouldn't Campbell start if guys like Rodgers have to? Jim Rome talks a lot about it and Inside the NFL has before. NFL Network as well, every time the Pack lose. They give Mooch a hard time because he's a Packer fan at heart I believe. Anyways I have no problem with the change. It has to happen eventually. I have a problem with the fact that they are singling out Green Bay and in a negative way really. It?s like Dallas and TO. When you talk Dallas all you hear is TO. When they talk Green Bay all you hear is benching Favre. When you talk Washington you get nothing. Maybe it?s the star power but it?s not like Washington is a small market unnoticeable team.</div> I have to hear about Bledsoe being benched for Romo all the time too. It's annoying. I don't think that Vince would be starting if they had a better option, but let's face it. The Titan front office screwed that situation up beautifully. If Tennessee had a veteran like Favre or Brunell then they'd be starting either one of them too.
