http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._be_hit_harder/</p><cite></cite> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mike Reiss, Boston Globe)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> There will be no further sanctions against the Patriots as a result of the NFL's investigation into the team's videotaping procedures, a league source confirmed last night.</p> According to the source, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell sent a memo to all 32 clubs last night in which he said he was satisfied the Patriots fully cooperated and complied with his instructions</div></p> The article also quotes one NFL official who says that there is no evidence to support the Jets claims that the Patriots d-line was miked up to hear audible calls.</p> So should we stop assuming that the Patriots have cheated their way to their position atop the NFL, or is Rodney Harrison still the only steroid user in NFL history? Don't ask Shawne Merriman to answer that question. </p> </p>
I'd like to know the procedure that was followed to determine that the Patriots had fully cooperated. After all, I've had it beat into my head for days that everybody cheats. If I'm to believe that, then why would I believe that if you ask a cheater to turn over evidence regarding further cheating that they suddenly become honest and do that? I guess I have to believe that Bill Belicheat only turned over things that wouldn't hurthim or the Patriotsand he destroyed or hidthe rest.
It's Bill Belichick. Get it straight DolfanDale. (you wouldn't want me, for example, calling you dolphindale? now would you?)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to know the procedure that was followed to determine that the Patriots had fully cooperated. After all, I've had it beat into my head for days that everybody cheats. If I'm to believe that, then why would I believe that if you ask a cheater to turn over evidence regarding further cheating that they suddenly become honest and do that? I guess I have to believe that Bill Belicheat only turned over things that wouldn't hurt him or the Patriots and he destroyed or hid the rest.</div> So basically you don't believe or have faith in the commissioner. For any quality investigator / auditor it wouldn't matter what the Pat's were willing to turnover as they would get what they need. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's Bill Belichick. Get it straight DolfanDale. (you wouldn't want me, for example, calling you dolphindale? now would you?)</div> There is a huge difference between insulting a public figure such as a coach and insulting a fellow poster. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's Bill Belichick. Get it straight DolfanDale. (you wouldn't want me, for example, calling you dolphindale? now would you?)</div> There is a huge difference between insulting a public figure such as a coach and insulting a fellow poster. </p> </div></p> I know, and there is a difference if you do it in one post, or in all of your posts in the pats forum. (big difference)</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's Bill Belichick. Get it straight DolfanDale. (you wouldn't want me, for example, calling you dolphindale? now would you?)</div> There is a huge difference between insulting a public figure such as a coach and insulting a fellow poster. </p> </div></p> I know, and there is a difference if you do it in one post, or in all of your posts in the pats forum. (big difference) </p> </p> </div></p> No, no there isn't</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's Bill Belichick. Get it straight DolfanDale. (you wouldn't want me, for example, calling you dolphindale? now would you?)</div> You would have a point except that I'm a poster and Bill Belicheat is a public figure. Public figures are fair game andforum posters are not. Denny made that point himself in my thread regarding Rodney Harrison taking HGH. Besides, I've been called much worse thandolphindale. You would have to do better than that to hurt my feelings. No, I'm not giving up my nicknames for players. Bill Belicheat can join Michael ConVick, Pill Romanowski, "Teflon" Dave Wannstedtand Turd Orifice in my Hall of Shame. Oh wait, before you take the next obvious step and start calling Dolphin players names just know that we heard all of that before. The DWO spent all of last season having a Lions fan call our then QB, Joey Harrington, Jo-Jo Dancer. Been there, heard that, expect to hear it again. Anything else?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's Bill Belichick. Get it straight DolfanDale. (you wouldn't want me, for example, calling you dolphindale? now would you?)</div> You would have a point except that I'm a poster and Bill Belicheat is a public figure. Public figures are fair game and forum posters are not. Denny made that point himself in my thread regarding Rodney Harrison taking HGH. Besides, I've been called much worse than dolphindale. You would have to do better than that to hurt my feelings. No, I'm not giving up my nicknames for players. Bill Belicheat can join Michael ConVick, Pill Romanowski, "Teflon" Dave Wannstedt and Turd Orifice in my Hall of Shame. Oh wait, before you take the next obvious step and start calling Dolphin players names just know that we heard all of that before. The DWO spent all of last season having a Lions fan call our then QB, Joey Harrington, Jo-Jo Dancer. Been there, heard that, expect to hear it again. Anything else?</p> </div></p> But the difference is that you'll never find me calling players, coaches, etc, names that they don't have. I'm not that kind of person. No matter how bad they are, or if I hate them, or whatever. I don't think its good because it's only a sport, a lot of guys are forgeting that and taking it personal. (like calling the pats evil, it wasn't a joke either, it was personal)</p> </p>
It cant be personal when you are refering to an orginazation, only when you are talking about a person....you dont have the right to be offended for Bill Belicheat, thats why its ok to attack him but not you....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to know the procedure that was followed to determine that the Patriots had fully cooperated. After all, I've had it beat into my head for days that everybody cheats. If I'm to believe that, then why would I believe that if you ask a cheater to turn over evidence regarding further cheating that they suddenly become honest and do that? I guess I have to believe that Bill Belicheat only turned over things that wouldn't hurt him or the Patriots and he destroyed or hid the rest.</div> So basically you don't believe or have faith in the commissioner. For any quality investigator / auditor it wouldn't matter what the Pat's were willing to turnover as they would get what they need. </p></div> I would feel better about it if the NFL would explain the procedure for turning over these materials. I haven't heard or read anything that suggests that an investigator or auditor was sent to the Patriots, only that the Patriots were told to turn things over. If an investigator or auditor was sent over to the Patriots facility then I would feel better about their findings. It just seems like the commissioner was quick to close the book on this case. I believe that the NFL owes it's fans an explaination of how they are making sure that everything that should have been turned over was for the integrity of the game.</p>
Do I think the Jets game was the only time this happened? No....Do I think the players knew it was happening? No, I dont....if for no other reason than because none of the former Patriots that hate Belicheat have come forward to expose him and there a lot of those guys that would....I think the upper level coaches were in on it, but not the lower level coaches or the players....
If upper level coaches are in on it, then why hasn't Charlie "Look at Me" Weis said something on the topic?</p> Lets just put the whole thing to bed. The NFL set up the investigation and according to them, it has been satisfied. Can we move on with our lives?</p> Lets start talking about Zach Thomas simulating snap counts!</p> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...802.story</p>
When asked about it, Charlie Weis let out a boiserious laugh and said something along the lines of "Im not touching that....Im not touching that with a 10 foot pole"....not the response you would expect from someone that had no knowledge of the situation....further, Weis and Belicheat are friends....the other part of that is, Weis had tons of success in NE, if he admitted to cheating, nows hes in question as well, and he works for a University that once fired a coach before he coached a game because there was an "inaccuracy" on his resume....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>The DWO spent all of last season having a Lions fan call our then QB, Joey Harrington, Jo-Jo Dancer. Been there, heard that, expect to hear it again. Anything else?</div> </p> You forgot princess & Doey.</p> Personally, I am satisfied w/ the Pats punishment and the fact the league is fine with it. It strikes me as somewhat odd that the material was destroyed.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284)</div><div class='quotemain'> If upper level coaches are in on it, then why hasn't Charlie "Look at Me" Weis said something on the topic?</p> Lets just put the whole thing to bed. The NFL set up the investigation and according to them, it has been satisfied. Can we move on with our lives?</p> Lets start talking about Zach Thomas simulating snap counts!</p> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...802.story</p> </div> </p> I'm not going to put it to bed. I'm not satisfied and I won't be satisfied until the NFL gives fans a real reason to believe that it actually investigated this matter and didn't just sweep it under the rug.</p> If you want to discuss Zach Thomas simulating snap counts, there is a thread in the Dolphins forum about that very thing.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'> But the difference is that you'll never find me calling players, coaches, etc, names that they don't have. I'm not that kind of person. No matter how bad they are, or if I hate them, or whatever. I don't think its good because it's only a sport, a lot of guys are forgeting that and taking it personal. (like calling the pats evil, it wasn't a joke either, it was personal) </p> </p></div> </p> Understood, you are interpreting *everything* at a personal level. Got it.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'> But the difference is that you'll never find me calling players, coaches, etc, names that they don't have. I'm not that kind of person. No matter how bad they are, or if I hate them, or whatever. I don't think its good because it's only a sport, a lot of guys are forgeting that and taking it personal. (like calling the pats evil, it wasn't a joke either, it was personal) </p> </p></div> </p> Understood, you are interpreting *everything* at a personal level. Got it. Please, if you are going to take everything to a personal level, then don't ever claim to be "baited" in by anything.</p> </p> </p></div> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'> But the difference is that you'll never find me calling players, coaches, etc, names that they don't have. I'm not that kind of person. No matter how bad they are, or if I hate them, or whatever. I don't think its good because it's only a sport, a lot of guys are forgeting that and taking it personal. (like calling the pats evil, it wasn't a joke either, it was personal)</p> </p> </div> </p> So, how then do you feel about Chris Berman doing highlights? </p> </p>
