<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>If the GM is that bad at evaulating WR talent, then maybe he should be fired. But, you look at the production drop every WR sees when going to atlanta, and you know it is vick. If you watch him throw the ball, you know it is vick. ITS VICK</div> I'm sure the production drop of a WR coming to Atlanta also has nothing to do with offensive playcalling and the fact that Vick doesn't get the number of throws per game as most other NFL QB's do either. When Knapp has allowed Vick to throw the ball production has went up, not saying Vick hasn't had bad games or inaccurate throws because he has, but there are more factors to it than simply Vick being the problem. I have no idea how so many people ignore other factors and solely place blame on Vick, it's a team sport and there are more than one player on the Falcons offense.</div> The reason I dump the blame on Vick is because no matter what system is put in or WRs are on the field, he has NEVER been consistant for a reasonable amount of time. I just don't understand how people still support Vick after all of these YEARS. I'm tired of hearing how dangerous Vick is or what a weapon Vick is. Last year, this so-called weapon couldn't get his team to the playoffs. Last week, Vick got owned by the Detroit Pussy Cats. The bottom line is that the Falcons need to put Schaulb in and rediscover the forward pass and move Kordell Stewart Jr. to a HB/WR hybrid where he could truly be a weapon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Manning vs Manning? Didn't that happen already on SNF? Anyways, my dream game would be the Baltimore Ravens vs Arizona Cardinals. Can you say easy win??? If that doesn't work, then I wouldn't mind seeing New England Patriots vs Carolina Panthers. BTW, bA the spelling is Ma'ake Kemoeatu (I think...).</div> Its the SUPER BOWL GAME not a SNF game...
What about an Ace Ventura Super Bowl? Think about it. You'll get it....unless you are an Eagles fan. LOL.
Bears vs Ravens? That doesn't sound so bad right now. Mainly because of how both of these teams have been playing the last two-three weeks. The Ravens scoring points, both offensively and defensively. The Bears... EXPOSED!!! Rex Grossman becoming a turnover machine and Miami looks like the team it was predicted to be at the beginning of the season against the Bears defense?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bears vs Ravens? That doesn't sound so bad right now. Mainly because of how both of these teams have been playing the last two-three weeks. The Ravens scoring points, both offensively and defensively. The Bears... EXPOSED!!! Rex Grossman becoming a turnover machine and Miami looks like the team it was predicted to be at the beginning of the season against the Bears defense?</div> Ravens have 4 TD drives with mcnair at QB in last 3 games. They have 3 with boller in part of 1 Of those drives, 2 were less than 50 yards, i.e. GREAT field position. So yeah, ravens have dominated offensively
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bears vs Ravens? That doesn't sound so bad right now. Mainly because of how both of these teams have been playing the last two-three weeks. The Ravens scoring points, both offensively and defensively. The Bears... EXPOSED!!! Rex Grossman becoming a turnover machine and Miami looks like the team it was predicted to be at the beginning of the season against the Bears defense?</div> Ravens have 4 TD drives with mcnair at QB in last 3 games. They have 3 with boller in part of 1 Of those drives, 2 were less than 50 yards, i.e. GREAT field position. So yeah, ravens have dominated offensively </div> Yeah, the success of the offense goes hand-in-hand with the defense. The defense's job is to stop the opposing offense and set up the offense. The offense's job is just to put some points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>Bears vs Ravens? That doesn't sound so bad right now. Mainly because of how both of these teams have been playing the last two-three weeks. The Ravens scoring points, both offensively and defensively. The Bears... EXPOSED!!! Rex Grossman becoming a turnover machine and Miami looks like the team it was predicted to be at the beginning of the season against the Bears defense?</div> Ravens have 4 TD drives with mcnair at QB in last 3 games. They have 3 with boller in part of 1 Of those drives, 2 were less than 50 yards, i.e. GREAT field position. So yeah, ravens have dominated offensively </div> Yeah, the success of the offense goes hand-in-hand with the defense. The defense's job is to stop the opposing offense and set up the offense. The offense's job is just to put some points.</div> 4 TDs in 3 games by your starting QB, not good. Not good at all. Your D scored like 3 or 4 in same span. Ravens offense sucks. Thats the truth. Vs bad defense they play avg, vs good defense they play bad. Ravens defense is dominant, not going to really argue that. They dont give up points, and score a lot of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Ravens have 4 TD drives with mcnair at QB in last 3 games. They have 3 with boller in part of 1 Of those drives, 2 were less than 50 yards, i.e. GREAT field position. So yeah, ravens have dominated offensively </div> Yeah, the success of the offense goes hand-in-hand with the defense. The defense's job is to stop the opposing offense and set up the offense. The offense's job is just to put some points.</div> 4 TDs in 3 games by your starting QB, not good. Not good at all. Your D scored like 3 or 4 in same span. Ravens offense sucks. Thats the truth. Vs bad defense they play avg, vs good defense they play bad. Ravens defense is dominant, not going to really argue that. They dont give up points, and score a lot of them.</div> The Ravens did play at New Orleans which was possibly the hardest places to win since they are so upbeat and really loud. I think they had a good enough defense but we really didn't need the offense to play the whole 60 minutes of football. The Ravens kind of had the game before halftime and it showed by how much they ran the ball in the second half, i.e conservative offense. I would make another arguement with the Bengals but they basically killed themselves with what is happening inside their locker room. Okay then, I won't argue with that since it is true so I'll make a comeback once the Ravens play a decent defensive team, maybe the Falcons or Steelers? For the moment, let's talk about Grossman. Even thought I haven't seen much of their games lately besides the Cardinals and the Seahawks game. But I want you to admit what is going wrong with Grossman. I have no idea since he does so well on Soldier Field that the Dolphins walks into the stadium with their tails between their legs and leaves with their heads up. The best arguement I can have is that his ego became so large, that he thought that the Dolphins weren't worth playing and ended up paying for it with their first lost. And the defense didn't do it's best either. They allowed over 150 yards on the ground and was well... beaten by the likes of Mr. Joey Harrington.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah, the success of the offense goes hand-in-hand with the defense. The defense's job is to stop the opposing offense and set up the offense. The offense's job is just to put some points.</div> 4 TDs in 3 games by your starting QB, not good. Not good at all. Your D scored like 3 or 4 in same span. Ravens offense sucks. Thats the truth. Vs bad defense they play avg, vs good defense they play bad. Ravens defense is dominant, not going to really argue that. They dont give up points, and score a lot of them.</div> The Ravens did play at New Orleans which was possibly the hardest places to win since they are so upbeat and really loud. I think they had a good enough defense but we really didn't need the offense to play the whole 60 minutes of football. The Ravens kind of had the game before halftime and it showed by how much they ran the ball in the second half, i.e conservative offense. I would make another arguement with the Bengals but they basically killed themselves with what is happening inside their locker room. Okay then, I won't argue with that since it is true so I'll make a comeback once the Ravens play a decent defensive team, maybe the Falcons or Steelers? For the moment, let's talk about Grossman. Even thought I haven't seen much of their games lately besides the Cardinals and the Seahawks game. But I want you to admit what is going wrong with Grossman. I have no idea since he does so well on Soldier Field that the Dolphins walks into the stadium with their tails between their legs and leaves with their heads up. The best arguement I can have is that his ego became so large, that he thought that the Dolphins weren't worth playing and ended up paying for it with their first lost. And the defense didn't do it's best either. They allowed over 150 yards on the ground and was well... beaten by the likes of Mr. Joey Harrington.</div> Grossmans problem is he had too much success going deep early. He needs to take shorter throws and he will be fine. Its just a matter of time, and each big INT game brings him closer to being the best QB in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Grossmans problem is he had too much success going deep early. He needs to take shorter throws and he will be fine. Its just a matter of time, and each big INT game brings him closer to being the best QB in the league.</div> Under that theory then I guess Favre is just reaching his peak now then huh?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Grossmans problem is he had too much success going deep early. He needs to take shorter throws and he will be fine. Its just a matter of time, and each big INT game brings him closer to being the best QB in the league.</div> Under that theory then I guess Favre is just reaching his peak now then huh?</div> I dont even begin to remotely follow the logic of this statement. You are going to have to explain it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Falcons beating anyone in the Super Bowl would be a dream come true for me, doesn't matter who it is. I'd also like to see back-to-back winning seasons and both will happen soon enough.</div> No Super Bowl until Vick either moves to WR or learns how to throw...</div> Gee, theres one I haven't heard before. Let's try another. </div> LOL... He definately needs some new material
I would love to see the Lions play the Browns in the SB. I think Cleveland might be the most cursed sports city there is...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'> No Super Bowl until Vick either moves to WR or learns how to throw...</div> Gee, theres one I haven't heard before. Let's try another. </div> LOL... He definately needs some new material</div> Does vick even catch passes? lol..He would be more of a RB.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> 4 TDs in 3 games by your starting QB, not good. Not good at all. Your D scored like 3 or 4 in same span. Ravens offense sucks. Thats the truth. Vs bad defense they play avg, vs good defense they play bad. Ravens defense is dominant, not going to really argue that. They dont give up points, and score a lot of them.</div> The Ravens did play at New Orleans which was possibly the hardest places to win since they are so upbeat and really loud. I think they had a good enough defense but we really didn't need the offense to play the whole 60 minutes of football. The Ravens kind of had the game before halftime and it showed by how much they ran the ball in the second half, i.e conservative offense. I would make another arguement with the Bengals but they basically killed themselves with what is happening inside their locker room. Okay then, I won't argue with that since it is true so I'll make a comeback once the Ravens play a decent defensive team, maybe the Falcons or Steelers? For the moment, let's talk about Grossman. Even thought I haven't seen much of their games lately besides the Cardinals and the Seahawks game. But I want you to admit what is going wrong with Grossman. I have no idea since he does so well on Soldier Field that the Dolphins walks into the stadium with their tails between their legs and leaves with their heads up. The best arguement I can have is that his ego became so large, that he thought that the Dolphins weren't worth playing and ended up paying for it with their first lost. And the defense didn't do it's best either. They allowed over 150 yards on the ground and was well... beaten by the likes of Mr. Joey Harrington.</div> Grossmans problem is he had too much success going deep early. He needs to take shorter throws and he will be fine. Its just a matter of time, and each big INT game brings him closer to being the best QB in the league.</div> Why discourage the use of deep passes? With someone like Berrian, he should be fine. I mostly was referring to the Dolphins game where he clearly saw Jason Taylor and threw it directly to him. There were other ones but it's a bit hazy to me right now. And I fail to believe every INT can make him be the best QB in the league. If you are using that statement then, like bakes said, wouldn't Harrington be a sure HOFer?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'> The Ravens did play at New Orleans which was possibly the hardest places to win since they are so upbeat and really loud. I think they had a good enough defense but we really didn't need the offense to play the whole 60 minutes of football. The Ravens kind of had the game before halftime and it showed by how much they ran the ball in the second half, i.e conservative offense. I would make another arguement with the Bengals but they basically killed themselves with what is happening inside their locker room. Okay then, I won't argue with that since it is true so I'll make a comeback once the Ravens play a decent defensive team, maybe the Falcons or Steelers? For the moment, let's talk about Grossman. Even thought I haven't seen much of their games lately besides the Cardinals and the Seahawks game. But I want you to admit what is going wrong with Grossman. I have no idea since he does so well on Soldier Field that the Dolphins walks into the stadium with their tails between their legs and leaves with their heads up. The best arguement I can have is that his ego became so large, that he thought that the Dolphins weren't worth playing and ended up paying for it with their first lost. And the defense didn't do it's best either. They allowed over 150 yards on the ground and was well... beaten by the likes of Mr. Joey Harrington.</div> Grossmans problem is he had too much success going deep early. He needs to take shorter throws and he will be fine. Its just a matter of time, and each big INT game brings him closer to being the best QB in the league.</div> Why discourage the use of deep passes? With someone like Berrian, he should be fine. I mostly was referring to the Dolphins game where he clearly saw Jason Taylor and threw it directly to him. There were other ones but it's a bit hazy to me right now. And I fail to believe every INT can make him be the best QB in the league. If you are using that statement then, like bakes said, wouldn't Harrington be a sure HOFer?</div> Different situation. Too many deep passes is bad. Especially when every D is playing it against bears now. He is still only played 16 or so games, he is still learning, and thus those INTs are all part of the learning process. Mannings went through same thing. The thing with Taylor was a learning thing too that will make him better, next time he will loft it really high or throw it away. Bad games dont bother me, i know he will have them. He will grow and in playoffs Bears will crush all opposition
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Grossmans problem is he had too much success going deep early. He needs to take shorter throws and he will be fine. Its just a matter of time, and each big INT game brings him closer to being the best QB in the league.</div> Why discourage the use of deep passes? With someone like Berrian, he should be fine. I mostly was referring to the Dolphins game where he clearly saw Jason Taylor and threw it directly to him. There were other ones but it's a bit hazy to me right now. And I fail to believe every INT can make him be the best QB in the league. If you are using that statement then, like bakes said, wouldn't Harrington be a sure HOFer?</div> Different situation. Too many deep passes is bad. Especially when every D is playing it against bears now. He is still only played 16 or so games, he is still learning, and thus those INTs are all part of the learning process. Mannings went through same thing. The thing with Taylor was a learning thing too that will make him better, next time he will loft it really high or throw it away. Bad games dont bother me, i know he will have them. He will grow and in playoffs Bears will crush all opposition</div> By crushing do you mean going for it on 4th down with a 20 or so point lead in the 4th quarter?
