I'm all over this move. Get it done Mitch! Odom and Cookie for Marion. It brings a legit, consistent second option for Kobe Bryant to work with. We can expect a legit 20 PPG from Marion, something Odom will never be able to give us!</p>
I was curious how Phoenix fans would feel about this swap. Here's a few comments from some members at <font size="5">www.phxsuns.net.</font></p> [quote name='bobster']this would be an interesting tradeoff - 2006-07 Odom/Marion GP - 56/80 Min - 39.3/37.6 FG% - .468/.524 3Pt - .297/.317 FT% - .710/.810 Reb - 9.8/9.8 Ast - 4.8/1.7 Stl - 0.9/2.0 Blk - 0.6/1.5 Trn - 2.9/1.4 Pts - 15.9/17.5 marion is of course more athletic and a superior defensive player, odom is a more polished offensive player and much better passer. marion's also a slightly better rebounder. and marion's been more durable. i think odom would fit in the suns' offense pretty seemlessly, he's a better pure shooter, can pass the ball better and handles the ball much better. shawn might have more of a problem with the lakers in that he's not someone who excells at creating his own shot and point guard is one of their weaknesses. the suns would still create the same matchup problems with odom playing PF, other big forwards would have a hard time guarding him out on the court. the downside to that is that marion doesn't need the ball in his hands as much on offense to score, but odom would probably benefit from better offensive talent here. that said, cook might be an interesting throw-in as salary cap filler - he's got great range and really could help stretch defenses. he's also help improve their depth.[/quote]</p> [quote name='desertcoast']Much as I like Odom, this will be very strange to see this team without Marion...even more if the Suns go the distance this year without him.[/quote]</p> [quote name='INFORMER']I'm not big on Odom at all, but the one good thing about him is that he only has two years left on a contract that does not exceed an annual salary of 15 mil.</p> I'm just being realistic. Odom's a nice guy, but he's injury prone and a chronic (no pun intended) underchiever. For all the raw talent he has (there's really nothing he <span style="font-style: italic;">can't</span> do on the basketball court) it just hasn't lead to equivalent production on the court. I also worry about the influence he might have on Amare, though he has seemed to clean things up after his early trouble with the law. But yes, it is not <span style="font-style: italic;">all</span> bad. Odom brings skilled height to this ballclub, and he'll fit in the offense. Also, Cook is jut the kind of big we need, one D'Antoni will actually play. He has a great stroke from the perimeter.[/quote]</p> [quote name='admdavid']I just can't see them being dumb enough to trade him to a division rival. And certainly not the Lakers!!![/quote]</p> [quote name='NASHFAN_VAS']I too love Marion but it sounds like he wants to go to the Lakers. Why can't we deal our great players to the eastern conference teams? I would have been happy with Garnett for Marion, but Odom for Marion just does not sound right. Marion is not helping the Suns when it comes to a trade. We could have sent him to the east and gotten Garnett! I question his judgment- he has a chance to win the ring here in Phoenix. Instead, he wants to be satisfied with banners from the past hanging where he plays. If he goes to the Lakers, I hope he will get louder BOOS than Kobe when he comes to Phoenix. I am so disappointed in him![/quote]</p> [quote name='darrkin']Damn INF, think positive...I live in Cali and it sounds out here like its gonna happen, so we may as well make the best of it. Im kinda torn personally, because Marion has been one of the cornerstones of the Suns-but if we have to move him Lamar-if healthy most of year and Cook would be pretty good. We lose some reliability and athleticism, but gain size...i dont know weird to think tmrw could be interesting[/quote]</p> [quote name='v9']<span style="font-weight: bold;">Speaking of which, rumor has it that the deal's just about done:</span> http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/sho ... amp;page=5</p> <div class="quotetitle">Quote:</div> <div class="quotecontent">Tonight at around 10 pm a local radio show here in LA said that the trade was pretty much a "done deal". Now what the exact trade specs were, I don't know--this is second-hand info from Laker fans. About 75% of Laker fans I've noticed are in favor of the trade (especially if it includes Brian Cook, who apparently has a nasty contract). They are unsure Marion would work in the triangle, but they say his defense alone would be worth the risk.</div> Not altogether surprising, to be honest. There have been several posters (LL, jed) who have been in favor of such a trade all summer.[/quote]</p> They seem to acknowledge Marion is the better player, but also can see Odom fitting in right away with Phoenix and having success with their team. A lot of them want the Lakers to also take Marcus Banks in the deal.</p> Pretty interesting comments, I thought Suns fans would be in an uproar about Marion being traded for Odom AND Cook.</p>
You all don't actually believe that the Suns would trade Shawn Marion to another team in their division. If the Suns decided to move Marion to Los Angeles, this Suns squad would end up having to fight for the division every season unlike the past couple of seasons which it has just been handed to them. Although, Odom was effective in Miami when they ran an up-tempo playing style, it would be interesting to see how he'd do in a run and gun style now.</p>
Here's an idea; Kirilenko to the Suns & Marion to the Lakers.</p> What would the jazz get? They'd probable settle for whatever big, slow, dopey white guy the Lakers have & a couple of 2nd round picks.</p> Sloan & McMuffin, McConnell, MacBeth, McLovin whatever The name of the Jazz Gm is aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.</p>
At face value, I'd jump all over this trade. I'm at the state of mind where currently, I'd welcome any trade, just to shake up the roster. At this point, I honestly wouldn't mind an Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom package for Jermaine O'Neal. But let's just play devil's advocate for a second. Shawn Marion for Lamar Odom at face value looks like a great trade for us. But if you analyze our currently situation, is it really that positive? Lamar Odom is our starting powerfoward. If we trade him for Marion, who'll be our starting powerfoward? I sure as hell don't want to see Marion playing that position, so would we have to shift Kwame Brown or Chris Mihm to the 4? Or maybe start Ronny Turiaf (who will then proceed to foul out every game with his style of play)? This also raises the question about small foward. I'm pretty sure if Marion is traded to the Lakers, he'll be playing small forward. Then what happens to the golden boy whom we just locked up long term for big bucks? Will Luke Walton have to come off the bench? What about Vladamir Radmanovic? Will his MLE contract be sitting behind Shawn Marion and Luke Walton on the depth chart?</p> Also, look at who we are trading with. I personally think if the Suns acquire Lamar Odom, they will be extremely difficult to stop. They will finally receive the low post threat they are looking for, and I think Odom would thrive in an offense run by Steve Nash and Amare Stoudimire, because it takes tons of pressure away from him. Also, Brian Cook, who I feel is trash, would also be a great fit in Phoenix with the way he shoots the ball. So although this trade may help us (or may not), this trade can also potentially help the Suns win a championship. Also, I've heard that Marion isn't satisfied with his current contract, and I'm pretty sure he can opt out this offseason. Would our front office be willing to give into his demands and pay him top dollar? Or what if our front office is too cheap and allows him to walk away with nothing. We'd basically be screwed in negotiations because we would have absolutely no leverage. Would we be willing to overpay him just to keep him on the roster?</p> Once again, I'm honestly not against this trade at all. I'd currently welcome any changes to this roster, but would a trade for Marion cause more problems than we had before?</p>
Those are some valid questions Brian, but here's some counterpoints to them.</p> 1. Lamar Odom is not a post presence. If he was the Lakers wouldn't think to trade him. Lamar Odom might play PF for the Lakers, but he's not a true post player on either end of the ball. Talent wise Lamar Odom is the better player when he shows up, but the issue with Odom is he only shows up 1 out of every 4 or 5 games. He's also struggled staying healthy. In contrast you can pretty much pencil in 20/10 for Marion every night. Also consider the fact Marion is the 3rd option on his team and still puts up All-Star numbers, Odom is the 2nd option on a team with less talent, but can't contribute the same numbers.</p> 2. Odom will work for the Suns because he won't have the same responsibilities to score like he has in LA. He also helps their issue with size and his style fits in a lot better with an uptempo offense. He's also cheaper than Marion. Is he enough to put Phoenix over the top? I would say maybe at best, and even if he does, it doesn't really matter because the Lakers aren't challenging for a title next season even after this trade.</p> 3. I also don't want Marion playing PF for the Lakers, but I don't mind using him there when we go with a small lineup. Luke gets pushed to the bench, but I like him better as the 6th man for this team because he can run the offense with the second unit. The first unit will have Kobe initiating most of the offense and with Fisher back, you have two veterans making decisions with the ball.</p> 4. Who starts at PF? This largely depends on who starts at center. If Bynum wins the job, then the Lakers can put either Kwame or Mihm on the floor with him. The original plan was to use Kwame at PF, although he's struggled playing that role. Most likely it's going to be Chris Mihm, which makes sense because Mihm can shoot from mid-range and offers weakside shot blocking. Lakers would have a nice balance of size and speed on the court if Mihm can give them steady minutes at the 4. If not, they have Turiaf and Radman also capable of playing quality minutes there.</p> 5. Brian Cook will probably have the same success James Jones had for Phoenix a few years back. However, he'll be a liability on defense just like he is with the Lakers. I would be estatic to move that contract of his.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Can't Radman start at PF?</p> </div></p> Against certain teams he would be able to, but against teams with post scoring PFs no chance. Imagine him trying to defend Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson, or Carlos Boozer.</p> Either Radman would get into foul trouble immediately or he'd cause Andrew Bynum to pick up cheap fouls.</p> I think our best option is Mihm or Kwame. With Kwame the Lakers get a post defender who can match up against the opposing teams best post scorer, and with Mihm the Lakers get more offense.</p> </p>
Ummm I think that a line-up like this will be better:</p> PG Fisher</p> SG Bryant</p> SF Marion</p> PF Turiaf</p> C Mihm or Bynum</p>
Imagine if Mitch was to open the wallet and sign Varejao. lol</p> Fisher, Kobe, Marion, Varejao, Bynum <font size="1">(contenders) </font></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm not sure Turiaf is ready yet to start. Or is he?</p> </div></p> When he has started his played pretty good.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm not sure Turiaf is ready yet to start. Or is he?</p> </div></p> Based on last year he's not. Turiaf needs to learn how to channel his energy and know when to just give up a basket and let a rebound go to the other team. Turiaf picks up cheap fouls by contesting everything and also going over the back to get a rebound he has no business going after. Until he learns to stay out of foul trouble, he's better coming off the bench.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Here's the lineup I'd want:</p> PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Matrix PF - Mihm C - Bynum</p> </div></p> I like that line up too but lets hope that Mitch can do something.</p>
