http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/481...obe_talk_trade/</p> Shawn Marion was bringing the good news. If you're a Lakers fan.</p> "I'm definitely interested in the Lakers," the Phoenix Suns forward said.</p> More than that, he said he talked to Kobe Bryant, and Bryant "embraced it.</p> </p> Said Marion: "He wants to make it happen."</p> If Bryant cares about what trades the Lakers make and thinks adding Marion would help, at least it's an indication that he's thinking about the Lakers as "we" not "them."</p> Please!!! not for odom!!! we would go from 8th in the west to 7th... Wow! hahaha</p> The suns could use kwame's expiring to relieve some cap space</p>
Salary wise a trade of:</p> Marion for Kwame + Vlad works</p> Vlad - helps them in their run n gun offence</p> kwame - cap space that the owner wants as not to be over the cap and can help sign role players that would strengthen a core of nash, barbosa, bell, diaw, amare</p>
Things like this should be against the rules.</p> Kobe and Marion talking like that and the press printing it makes it a lot harder for Phoenix to get a fair deal. Just my 2 cents.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Salary wise a trade of:</p> Marion for Kwame + Vlad works</p> Vlad - helps them in their run n gun offence</p> kwame - cap space that the owner wants as not to be over the cap and can help sign role players that would strengthen a core of nash, barbosa, bell, diaw, amare</p> </div></p> </p> Seriously? Kerr would have to be smokin that la la la to do that deal. (maybe he is; I heard he's been hangin out with Bill Walton lately) The Lakers are going to lose Lamar Odom at the least if this deal were to happen. You'll probably also lose a few extra players just to give Phoenix incentive for this trade. Don't be surprised if Bynum's mentioned in the talks. Although he probably won't be ultimately included, that's the kind of ballast that would be needed to make this trade fair. I can see Kwame and maybe Vujacik being thrown in with Odom, and Phoenix doing what it takes to balance that salary-wise(although since Marioni makes 3 mil/yr more than Odom, it might not take much).</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (starman85)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Salary wise a trade of:</p> Marion for Kwame + Vlad works</p> Vlad - helps them in their run n gun offence</p> kwame - cap space that the owner wants as not to be over the cap and can help sign role players that would strengthen a core of nash, barbosa, bell, diaw, amare</p> </div></p> Seriously? Kerr would have to be smokin that la la la to do that deal. (maybe he is; I heard he's been hangin out with Bill Walton lately) The Lakers are going to lose Lamar Odom at the least if this deal were to happen. You'll probably also lose a few extra players just to give Phoenix incentive for this trade. Don't be surprised if Bynum's mentioned in the talks. Although he probably won't be ultimately included, that's the kind of ballast that would be needed to make this trade fair. I can see Kwame and maybe Vujacik being thrown in with Odom, and Phoenix doing what it takes to balance that salary-wise(although since Marioni makes 3 mil/yr more than Odom, it might not take much).</p> </div></p> If the lakers lose odom then id prefer not to trade for marion... id rather have marion screw up the team with this conflict between him and the front office... thats why its BETTER for the suns to trade marion than not trade him at all</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Things like this should be against the rules.</p> Kobe and Marion talking like that and the press printing it makes it a lot harder for Phoenix to get a fair deal. Just my 2 cents.</p> </div></p> How would you enforce it though? A lot of the players in the league are friends outside of basketball and have been since they were kids. I'm sure this happens all the time and I doubt it has much effect on where a player ends up being traded or not traded to. What sports agents are allowed to do is more troublesome to me than players talking with one another about playing on the same team one day.</p> </p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (starman85)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Salary wise a trade of:</p> Marion for Kwame + Vlad works</p> Vlad - helps them in their run n gun offence</p> kwame - cap space that the owner wants as not to be over the cap and can help sign role players that would strengthen a core of nash, barbosa, bell, diaw, amare</p> </div></p> </p> Seriously? Kerr would have to be smokin that la la la to do that deal. (maybe he is; I heard he's been hangin out with Bill Walton lately) The Lakers are going to lose Lamar Odom at the least if this deal were to happen. You'll probably also lose a few extra players just to give Phoenix incentive for this trade. Don't be surprised if Bynum's mentioned in the talks. Although he probably won't be ultimately included, that's the kind of ballast that would be needed to make this trade fair. I can see Kwame and maybe Vujacik being thrown in with Odom, and Phoenix doing what it takes to balance that salary-wise(although since Marioni makes 3 mil/yr more than Odom, it might not take much).</p> </div></p> You won't see Bynum shipped out in a deal for Marion. They wouldn't surrender him for Jermaine O'neal or Jason Kidd, so I can't see them giving him and Odom up for a small forward. If Phoenix wants Kwame and Sasha included, I'd gift wrap them personally to get them out of LA. It still seems farfetched for these teams to make a deal like this, but I'm hoping the Lakers can get something done.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Things like this should be against the rules.</p> Kobe and Marion talking like that and the press printing it makes it a lot harder for Phoenix to get a fair deal. Just my 2 cents.</p> </div></p> How would you enforce it though? A lot of the players in the league are friends outside of basketball and have been since they were kids. I'm sure this happens all the time and I doubt it has much effect on where a player ends up being traded or not traded to. What sports agents are allowed to do is more troublesome to me than players talking with one another about playing on the same team one day.</p> </p> </p> </p> </div></p> The thing is Marion went to the papers with this, thats what I have a problem with. If he and Kobe want to talk thats fine but keep it between them. Marion just hindered Kerr's hand.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (starman85)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Salary wise a trade of:</p> Marion for Kwame + Vlad works</p> Vlad - helps them in their run n gun offence</p> kwame - cap space that the owner wants as not to be over the cap and can help sign role players that would strengthen a core of nash, barbosa, bell, diaw, amare</p> </div></p> </p> Seriously? Kerr would have to be smokin that la la la to do that deal. (maybe he is; I heard he's been hangin out with Bill Walton lately) The Lakers are going to lose Lamar Odom at the least if this deal were to happen. You'll probably also lose a few extra players just to give Phoenix incentive for this trade. Don't be surprised if Bynum's mentioned in the talks. Although he probably won't be ultimately included, that's the kind of ballast that would be needed to make this trade fair. I can see Kwame and maybe Vujacik being thrown in with Odom, and Phoenix doing what it takes to balance that salary-wise(although since Marioni makes 3 mil/yr more than Odom, it might not take much).</p> </div></p> You won't see Bynum shipped out in a deal for Marion. They wouldn't surrender him for Jermaine O'neal or Jason Kidd, so I can't see them giving him and Odom up for a small forward. If Phoenix wants Kwame and Sasha included, I'd gift wrap them personally to get them out of LA. It still seems farfetched for these teams to make a deal like this, but I'm hoping the Lakers can get something done.</p> </p> </div></p> yo shape... do you mean odom + kwame and sasha? or simply kwame and sasha for marion? coz if its odom + kwame + sasha for marion it would be lopsided plus it wont work salary wise... lakers package is too much</p> if your trade happens the only the suns would benefit... theyd get an expiring contract worth 8M, a young semi talent in sasha LOL and virtually a replacement for marion without the hate... so no, its not a good trade for the lakers</p> </p>
Yeah I have no problem shipping out Odom, Kwame, and Sasha for Marion + Marcus Banks</p> Marion is an upgrade over Odom and both Kwame and Sasha are easily replaced on the roster. The Suns get Kwame's expiring contract, but they won't benefit from it because they're already over the cap for next season.</p> Lakers would lose some size in this deal and hava a log jam at PG if Banks was included, but a lot of teams are in search of a quality guard. Maybe the Lakers could turnaround and deal one of their young PGs to Cleveland for Varejao.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Yeah I have no problem shipping out Odom, Kwame, and Sasha for Marion + Marcus Banks</p> Marion is an upgrade over Odom and both Kwame and Sasha are easily replaced on the roster. The Suns get Kwame's expiring contract, but they won't benefit from it because they're already over the cap for next season.</p> Lakers would lose some size in this deal and hava a log jam at PG if Banks was included, but a lot of teams are in search of a quality guard. Maybe the Lakers could turnaround and deal one of their young PGs to Cleveland for Varejao.</p> </div></p> The Sun's will benefit from Kwame's deal by probably getting themselves under the luxury tax threshold. That's a consideration for them, I'm sure. And maybe just the benefit of getting rid of a guy who's bitching at an inopportune time.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Yeah I have no problem shipping out Odom, Kwame, and Sasha for Marion + Marcus Banks</p> Marion is an upgrade over Odom and both Kwame and Sasha are easily replaced on the roster. The Suns get Kwame's expiring contract, but they won't benefit from it because they're already over the cap for next season.</p> Lakers would lose some size in this deal and hava a log jam at PG if Banks was included, but a lot of teams are in search of a quality guard. Maybe the Lakers could turnaround and deal one of their young PGs to Cleveland for Varejao.</p> </div></p> The Sun's will benefit from Kwame's deal by probably getting themselves under the luxury tax threshold. That's a consideration for them, I'm sure. And maybe just the benefit of getting rid of a guy who's bitching at an inopportune time.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> They'll be under the luxury tax if they made this trade with or without Kwame involved, by roughly $200K. Kwame would put them further under the cap, but I think kobe23 was under the assumption the Suns could turnaround and sign a player for $9M next summer. They'd get rid of a whiney Marion who produces, but take back an alcoholic who doesn't take his job serious. Who would you rather deal with?</p> </p>
I think this trade is very unlickely know because I doubt that PHX will want to help out the Lakers and know that PHX is saying that a deal for Marion is unlickely I really find it hard for the Lakers to trade for Marion.</p>
This has come up in the past...and honestly. I would rather have Odom than Marion. When healthy, Lamar Odom is simply a better player. In the playoffs, the last 2 years Odom has overpowered Marion, especially in 2006 when he was healthy. If we do, do this though...I wouldn't be that disappointed. Marion isn't as injury prone and we need a change.</p>
