<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Amir Johnson would have been so nice.</p> </div></p> </p> He's proved as much in this league as Mile Ilic. Out of those guys, Gomes would have been the best pick.</p> I actually would've liked that pick, since I'd seen him play before in the Big East.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Amir Johnson would have been so nice.</p> </div></p> </p> He's proved as much in this league as Mile Ilic. Out of those guys, Gomes would have been the best pick.</p> I actually would've liked that pick, since I'd seen him play before in the Big East.</p> </div></p> </p> </p> You kidding?</p> </p> The most minutes Amir has played in a regular season game is 37 last season against Boston and he took advantage by scoring 20 pts. grabbing 12 rebounds, getting 3 assists and 3 steals. He also had a career high of 6 blocks against philly last year. I would have LOVED to have him</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Amir Johnson would have been so nice.</p> </div></p> </p> He's proved as much in this league as Mile Ilic. Out of those guys, Gomes would have been the best pick.</p> I actually would've liked that pick, since I'd seen him play before in the Big East.</p> </div></p> </p> </p> You kidding?</p> </p> The most minutes Amir has played in a regular season game is 37 last season against Boston and he took advantage by scoring 20 pts. grabbing 12 rebounds, getting 3 assists and 3 steals. He also had a career high of 6 blocks against philly last year. I would have LOVED to have him</p> </div></p> </p> Not kidding at all. Amir did that at the end of a season, in a game the Celts were probably tanking. Also, it was against a Celts frontline that has pretty weak defense. I don't really take the games he played in seriously.</p> So far, he hasn't shown me much, and I'll be interested to see what he does this year...but until he proves himself as an NBA player, I'm not going to go out and say he was the 2nd best 2nd round pick in that draft (with Monta being the first, of course).</p>
I'm tired of these "Antoine Wright was a mistake" threads. Do you think fans make them for Fran Vazquez, Yaroslav Korolev, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Joey Graham, Warrick, Gerald Green, and Julius Hodge? Other than Granger, those are the players drafted around Wright. A ton of future All-Stars in that group, isn't there? lol! As for the Ilic: there was a lot of crap drafted after him, also, and one reason the Nets took him was that they had no intention of keeping a second-rounder on the roster that season. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> When the Nets were up to pick in that draft, all I was thinking was "HAKIM WARRICK HAKIM WARRICK HAKIM WARRICK"...and then I heard the name "Antoine Wright" I was like WTF? That dude? Shit. Why didn't they pick Hak?!?!</p> I will never get over that disappointment.</p> </div></p> I was hoping for Sean May, and died when he was picked (I've since gotten over that). I too was hoping for Hakim Warrick, and had to run to espn after we drafted Wright because I had never heard of him.</p> </div></p> </p> Actually, on a few sites, he was projected to be a lottery pick. Too bad now we know that was complete bullshit.</p> </div></p> One site had him at #7, another at #10. None had him lower than #15. He dropped because the Raptors and Lakers surprised everyone by taking Villanueva and Bynum so high.</p> </p> </p>
i wouldn't mind having wright on the team next year for the vets' minimum...he is a proven stopper and how hard is it to learn how to shootagood percantage fromthat corner? if his defensive skills and conditioning decline or becomes injury prone or starts slacking off then that's the time to get rid of him...but as of now he is still a very good defensive player and works his tail off in the offseason...nets will not pick upnext year's option that's for sure...</p>
He'll get more than the minimum. He's got the defense, and I'm sure someone (if not our own GM) will still think he's got potential</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> He'll get more than the minimum. He's got the defense, and I'm sure someone (if not our own GM) will still think he's got potential</p> </div></p> In the next 10 days, the Nets have a decision to make...do they exercise their option on Wright and agree to pay him $2.54 million in 2008-09, at 53% raise, or let him test free agency? He would be an unrestricted free agent if they don't exercise the option. The question, it seems, is this: can you replace what hebrings as backup to RJ at a lower salary than $2.54 million? Maybe you could, but unless you sign someone to a vets minimum deal, you will almost certainly have to givethe replacement a multi-year commitment.On the other side of the coin, you want to conserve every dollar to pay much more important players: Krstic, Nachbar and maybe even Magloire if he plays well. Tough choice.</p> </p> </p>
My knee jerk reaction is to see what Jumaine Jone's situation is around that time. I'm reading between the lines and seeing that you don't think Boki will be resigned?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm tired of these "Antoine Wright was a mistake" threads. Do you think fans make them for Fran Vazquez, Yaroslav Korolev, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Joey Graham, <font size="4">Warrick, </font>Gerald Green, and Julius Hodge? Other than Granger, those are the players drafted around Wright. A ton of future All-Stars in that group, isn't there? lol! As for the Ilic: there was a lot of crap drafted after him, also, and one reason the Nets took him was that they had no intention of keeping a second-rounder on the roster that season. </p> </div></p> </p> Future SUPERSTAR. Let Wright go, and try the draft next year for a wing player. That's what I'd say.</p>
Wright's defense is very very good, you could find many people who is better than him in offense, but hell no in defense.</p> He hustles in every defensive play.</p> You want another rookie? Sorry, you must wait him to develop, but Jason can't wait for thatlong.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm tired of these "Antoine Wright was a mistake" threads. Do you think fans make them for Fran Vazquez, Yaroslav Korolev, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Joey Graham, Warrick, Gerald Green, and Julius Hodge? Other than Granger, those are the players drafted around Wright. A ton of future All-Stars in that group, isn't there? lol! As for the Ilic: there was a lot of crap drafted after him, also, and one reason the Nets took him was that they had no intention of keeping a second-rounder on the roster that season. </p> </div></p> </p> </p> Joey Graham, Warrick, Green, Rashard McCants, and Sean May are all better then Wright.</p> Dumpy, you can keep on draming for Wright to bust out one day but it's not going to happen. We've seen no signs of it and no hope for it either.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm tired of these "Antoine Wright was a mistake" threads. Do you think fans make them for Fran Vazquez, Yaroslav Korolev, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Joey Graham, Warrick, Gerald Green, and Julius Hodge? Other than Granger, those are the players drafted around Wright. A ton of future All-Stars in that group, isn't there? lol! As for the Ilic: there was a lot of crap drafted after him, also, and one reason the Nets took him was that they had no intention of keeping a second-rounder on the roster that season. </p> </div></p> Joey Graham, Warrick, Green, Rashard McCants, and Sean May are all better then Wright.</p> Dumpy, you can keep on draming for Wright to bust out one day but it's not going to happen. We've seen no signs of it and no hope for it either.</p> </div></p> </p> That's silly. None of those guys are better than Wright. Gerald Green, Rashard McCants, Joey Graham, and Hakim Warrick have all shown absolutely nothing and Sean May is a broken, chronically injured player. Wright has shown the ability to defend very well and his confidence is growing. Expect him to have a very good season.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Joey Graham, Warrick, Green, Rashard McCants, and Sean May are all better then Wright.</p> Dumpy, you can keep on draming for Wright to bust out one day but it's not going to happen. We've seen no signs of it and no hope for it either.</p> </div></p> </p> Joey Graham --who is two years older than Wright, by the way--has shown absolutely nothing. He averaged 6.4 points in 16.7 minutes last season, with three rebounds a game and a third of a steal per game. He shot less than 30% from behind the arc. McCants showed promise towards the end of his rookie season, but then had microfracture knee surgery, and last season was a mess when he returned. Like Wright, this is a make-or-break season for him. Sean May has hardly played, and will miss this entire season. His career may be over. Given a chance to play many minutes,Warrick was productive last season, but certainly no more than the "average" NBA player: 12 points and five rebounds in 26 minutes. However, he has a reputation of not playing good defense, and, in fact, he was outplayed by his opponent (measured by efficincy) in 36 out of 49 games (just counting those above a particular minutes played threshold). Also, when playing 27 or more minutes, the Grizzlies were a pathetic 12-34. Granted, they wer a bad team, but it seems as though he hasn't helped them win any games. Gerald Green has shown some potential, but his production is pretty pathetic, also: just 10 points per game in 22 minutes, with awful shooting percentages and wimpy rebounding totals.</p> Not taking into account defense, you could certainly argue that Warrick is better than Wright, and Green marginally better. You have no case on the others. But defense, I think, may even the score a little bit. When Wright played 18+ minutes last year, the Nets were something like 17-17, and he also was 9-11 against his opposing number in games when he played more than 25 minutes, as measured by efficiency--much better than Warrick. You also don't know how those players would have developed on the nets, or Wright on some other team. I suspect that Gerald Green would never play.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Joey Graham, Warrick, Green, Rashard McCants, and Sean May are all better then Wright.</p> Dumpy, you can keep on draming for Wright to bust out one day but it's not going to happen. We've seen no signs of it and no hope for it either.</p> </div></p> </p> Joey Graham --who is two years older than Wright, by the way--has shown absolutely nothing. He averaged 6.4 points in 16.7 minutes last season, with three rebounds a game and a third of a steal per game. He shot less than 30% from behind the arc. McCants showed promise towards the end of his rookie season, but then had microfracture knee surgery, and last season was a mess when he returned. Like Wright, this is a make-or-break season for him. Sean May has hardly played, and will miss this entire season. His career may be over. Given a chance to play many minutes,Warrick was productive last season, but certainly no more than the "average" NBA player: 12 points and five rebounds in 26 minutes. However, he has a reputation of not playing good defense, and, in fact, he was outplayed by his opponent (measured by efficincy) in 36 out of 49 games (just counting those above a particular minutes played threshold). Also, when playing 27 or more minutes, the Grizzlies were a pathetic 12-34. Granted, they wer a bad team, but it seems as though he hasn't helped them win any games. Gerald Green has shown some potential, but his production is pretty pathetic, also: just 10 points per game in 22 minutes, with awful shooting percentages and wimpy rebounding totals.</p> Not taking into account defense, you could certainly argue that Warrick is better than Wright, and Green marginally better. You have no case on the others. But defense, I think, may even the score a little bit. When Wright played 18+ minutes last year, the Nets were something like 17-17, and he also was 9-11 against his opposing number in games when he played more than 25 minutes, as measured by efficiency--much better than Warrick. You also don't know how those players would have developed on the nets, or Wright on some other team. I suspect that Gerald Green would never play.</p> </div></p> </p> Let me make this clear: Warrick played 4 years of zone defense. He excels at zone defense. He's a great zone defender. He was even a good press defender in college. But he sucks at man-to-man defense, 90% of the time. Put him in a zone defense, and he's money. Don't, and you better make sure you've got some good help defense.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Joey Graham, Warrick, Green, Rashard McCants, and Sean May are all better then Wright.</p> Dumpy, you can keep on draming for Wright to bust out one day but it's not going to happen. We've seen no signs of it and no hope for it either.</p> </div></p> </p> Joey Graham --who is two years older than Wright, by the way--has shown absolutely nothing. He averaged 6.4 points in 16.7 minutes last season, with three rebounds a game and a third of a steal per game. He shot less than 30% from behind the arc. McCants showed promise towards the end of his rookie season, but then had microfracture knee surgery, and last season was a mess when he returned. Like Wright, this is a make-or-break season for him. Sean May has hardly played, and will miss this entire season. His career may be over. Given a chance to play many minutes,Warrick was productive last season, but certainly no more than the "average" NBA player: 12 points and five rebounds in 26 minutes. However, he has a reputation of not playing good defense, and, in fact, he was outplayed by his opponent (measured by efficincy) in 36 out of 49 games (just counting those above a particular minutes played threshold). Also, when playing 27 or more minutes, the Grizzlies were a pathetic 12-34. Granted, they wer a bad team, but it seems as though he hasn't helped them win any games. Gerald Green has shown some potential, but his production is pretty pathetic, also: just 10 points per game in 22 minutes, with awful shooting percentages and wimpy rebounding totals.</p> Not taking into account defense, you could certainly argue that Warrick is better than Wright, and Green marginally better. You have no case on the others. But defense, I think, may even the score a little bit. When Wright played 18+ minutes last year, the Nets were something like 17-17, and he also was 9-11 against his opposing number in games when he played more than 25 minutes, as measured by efficiency--much better than Warrick. You also don't know how those players would have developed on the nets, or Wright on some other team. I suspect that Gerald Green would never play.</p> </div></p> </p> Let me make this clear: Warrick played 4 years of zone defense. He excels at zone defense. He's a great zone defender. He was even a good press defender in college. But he sucks at man-to-man defense, 90% of the time. Put him in a zone defense, and he's money. Don't, and you better make sure you've got some good help defense.</p> </div></p> Or in other words,Warrick wouldn't have played here.</p> Personally I still believe in Wright. His defense has always been there and still improving. His shot may be iffy, but he knows how to draw contact and get to the free throw line, which is good.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Let me make this clear: Warrick played 4 years of zone defense. He excels at zone defense. He's a great zone defender. He was even a good press defender in college. But he sucks at man-to-man defense, 90% of the time. Put him in a zone defense, and he's money. Don't, and you better make sure you've got some good help defense.</p> </div></p> Or in other words,Warrick wouldn't have played here.</p> Personally I still believe in Wright. His defense has always been there and still improving. His shot may be iffy, but he knows how to draw contact and get to the free throw line, which is good.</p> </div></p> What makes you say that? Frank used the zone especially because of Moore and Boki, because he recognized their talents and wanted them out on the court. Who's to say he wouldn't give the same treatment to Warrick?</p> </p>
Peg, we know you're a big Warrick fan. My point is just that the conventional wisdom that Wright was a terrible pick is just misguided. It's not as if he was the lone bust, surrounded by a bevy of future hall-of-famers. Two years later, the ten players surrounding him in the draft are a collection of no-shows (Vazquez); perpetually injured guys (May, McCants), players who should never have been drafted where they were and haven't developed (Korolev), marginal NBA players (Hodge, Graham), a pair of players that look like they have a chance to have a somewhat productive career (Warrick, Gerald Green), and a possible long-term starter (Granger). After that, you've got Nate Robinson, Jarrett Jack, Francisco Garcia, Luther Head, and Johan Petro. Wright can still end up one of the top three or four players of that group. Not to mention that the top ten picks that year included Charlie Villanueva, Ike Dioguand Channing Frye, who have had their moments but whose long-term prospects are in in doubt. When you get down to it, it all comes down to how hard these players will work at improving their game in the off-season, and how well they fit within the team needs. Really, after the first five or six picks, that draft is looking pretty weak so far--but it has just been two years later. If there's a leson to be learned here, it is that GMs underrate shorter power players more than they probably should (Maxiell, David Lee going in the last few picks of the first round).</p> I'm still a believer in Wright. Whetehr the Nets should extend him--that's a harder issue, obviously. I'd prefer to get him back at around $1.5 million.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> He'll get more than the minimum. He's got the defense, and I'm sure someone (if not our own GM) will still think he's got potential</p> </div></p> </p> devin brown, dahntay jones, jumaine jones all have reputations as good defensive players and are all better offensive players than antoine wright yet all had a hard time finding jobs...the league is getting crowded so i doubt antoine would find it easyfinding takers...</p>
