<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Brady - Belichek didnt win any super bowls, an entire patriots team won them, and now most of those guys are gone.</div> This was the franchise that walked out as a collective group one year rather than as individuals, wasn't it?? Now, some fans of said franchise are saying its about individuals? If this was hockey or hoops then Tommy Boy would have gotten the assisst in all 3 SB wins but Vinatieri would gotten the goal/basket.</div> What fans? Of course it is a team effort. The team failed, specifically the DL, but yes Brady could have made 1 or 2 more plays just like everyone else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>1) Brady Choked. 2) If Brady throws a completion instead of pick, and then a TD, patriots win. So the game was on his shoulders, and he crumbled under the weight. 3) If the situation were reversed, you would be on here talking about how manning chokes in big games. 4) I didnt say brady always chokes. 5) While they have a gaudy 12-2 postseason record, they are a meager 3-2 in the last 2 seasons with 0 championships. 6) The dynasty is dead they will never win another super bowl. 7) Branch would have caught the balls reche dropped and they would have been difference, since one would have been TD instead of FG or 4 points. 8) Asante samuel prolly wont be around after this year and you will fall even farther to mediocrity. 9) Brady - Belichek didnt win any super bowls, an entire patriots team won them, and now most of those guys are gone. Brady and belichek werent the difference. Those players and coaches that left were. Thats why they will never win another super bowl.</div> 1) wrong the Colts made a great play 2) the game was under control until those two 3rd quarter drives that tired our DL 3) No I would have said he gave a great effort to get them back, but we made the play in the end. 4) No but he didnt choke here 5) true 6) we'll see 7) any average WR would have caught those 2, but it's hard to say they would have made a difference. 8) he probably is gone, but they lost Harrison & Wilson to injury yet they still managed to beat the #1 seed in the #1 conference. Btw we have an extra #1 pick thanks to the Branch deal so we will have no problem reloading. 9) they said the same thing when Milloy & Law left. You can't say Adam was the difference either btw. Gostkowski proved worthy of a 3rd round pick. The Colts had all the talent in the world & had been labeled a failure up until last night. The Pats will be back.</div> 1) Yes he did. Throwing a pick with game on the line is choking. Unless it is tipped at line or off WR hands, but this was a QB who didnt see the safety and let his team down. 2) He could have won it. Thats a fact. He throws a TD, they win. 3) You would have ripped manning apart. You only say this now cuz your QB choked. 4) He did choke here. Choking once isnt that big of a deal. 5) Damn right 6) We will 7) How can you say that on the play he was uncovered and and dropped the pass with no one in 15 yards, and a clear path to end zone wouldnt have made a difference? They settled for FG. Thats a 4 point difference. What was margin of game again? 8) Good luck with that. 9) I didnt say that. I said it now. Now that it is true.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You would have ripped manning apart. You only say this now cuz your QB choked.</div> You obviously don't know me. Manning played poorly in the 1st half & Brady was average in the 2nd. The only difference in the game was the running attack of the Colts in the 2nd half which wore down the DL & setup the play action.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>You can't say Adam was the difference either btw.</div> Actually, I already have. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Colts had all the talent in the world & had been labeled a failure up until last night. The Pats will be back.</div> In the words of Ronald Reagan, "There you go again" Yada yada yada then the spin/qualifier/pro-Pats rhetoric.
[quote name='blackadder'][quote name='bakes781']You can't say Adam was the difference either btw.[/quote] Actually, I already have.[/quote] Then your credibility is in question [quote name='blackadder'][quote name='bakes781']The Colts had all the talent in the world & had been labeled a failure up until last night. The Pats will be back.[/quote] In the words of Ronald Reagan, "There you go again" Yada yada yada then the spin/qualifier/pro-Pats rhetoric.[/quote] You're more predictable than me. You've been holding onto that pitch fork for years, so stab away now while you still can.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You would have ripped manning apart. You only say this now cuz your QB choked.</div> You obviously don't know me. Manning played poorly in the 1st half & Brady was average in the 2nd. The only difference in the game was the running attack of the Colts in the 2nd half which wore down the DL & setup the play action.</div> Obviously the first 2000 posts werent indicative of how you would have reacted. I guess i was mistaken in thinking cuz you ripped him then, that after choking again you would have ripped him more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Colts get the credit for taking advantage of it, but yes the DL was clearly not 100%. The Colts didn't have to travel cross country to their previous game. You guys can try to bait me all you want, but I've already said the Colts earned the W. Unlike last season when I felt the Broncos didn't deserve the win I will be rooting for Indy in Miami.</div> I guess its okay for you to say that Manning's performance was subpar in the playoffs leading up to the AFC title game as well as add a qualifier to why the Pats lost. I can't recall which comedian (George Carlin???) said that <u>when you use but that everything before is negated. </u> You know as well as I do if Dale, Beef, or myself were to spin the phins failures or make excuses for them that we'd face a lynch mob... just like we were held liable for some media experts making the phins their trendy Super Bowl pick heading into this season.</div> Exactly. I remember the hell we caught when we were discussing the ref not seeing a timeout flag in the Dolphins-Steelers game even though we all said that the Steelers deserved the win and the mistake had no bearing on the outcome. Do I need to start pulling quotes? Bakes, you can't keep mentioning the long trip and the flu and whatever else, then say your not making excuses.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Bakes, you can't keep mentioning the long trip and the flu and whatever else, then say your not making excuses.</div> I'm just pointing out reasons why they looked tired. The Colts OL stepped up & our DL failed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes Brady Chokes</div> As much as I would love to run over you multiple times with my car until you are a grease spot, I will be a Bears fan for the next few weeks. You guys better win not just for Pats fans, but for all of the NFL so that they don't have to see Manning's face everywhere for the next decade. I don't know if I could remain a football fan if that happened. I may have to switch to the NBA or NASCAR, lol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, you busted my chops last week for supposedly giving half hearted respect to the Patriots. It's pretty obvious that you can't just say that the Colts won and are the better team period. You have to put a qualifier or two on everything. You do know that one reason the Patriots had to travel across the country is because the had a worse record than the Colts so they had to go play the number one seed which means that the Patriots travel woes were a result of the record that the Patriots had earned. If the Patriots wanted to stay at home, they should have won more of their games. That's how it works.</div> Exactly. The Pats earned the #4 seed by losing 4 games instead of winning them. I won't make any excuses for the Pats at all for the loss to the Colts. The Pats had them pinned down 21-3 for crying out loud and still lost. There is no excuse for it and Brady needs to let me have at his girlfriend for a week as punishment.
You know why that Bearfans against the PATS. Because the bear lost to us recently, and prefer the Colts compete with them. Clearly yesterday game was a SUPERBOWL. Because NFC have no Chalenge. When was the last time NFC win Championship. Ahem mybad long time ago. Hahahha
