<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p> Chicago has had dialogue with the Lakers regarding Kobe Bryant, but proposals were not made. Do the Bulls want Bryant? Yes. Would they give up Luol Deng in a package? Not on Jerry Reinsdorf's life! John Paxson pictures Bryant and Deng as a reincarnation of Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. But management has no intention of draining its assets to recreate such scintillating symmetry.</p> As currently constructed, the Bulls are one of the favorites to come out of the East, number one, in fact, in the minds of many. At the same time, they're selling out. And they've got six championship banners flapping in the rafters.</p> If there's no pressure to make a deal, why disrupt good karma? Why risk a chemical imbalance by importing a potentially selfish superstar carrying a conveyer belt of baggage? To keep a tough competitor in your conference from acquiring Bryant, perhaps; then it might make sense to take the plunge.</p> The Mavericks also have genuine interest in Bryant, but making a bad deal to get him does not interest them. Dirk Nowitzki is untouchable, according to Mark Cuban. Guaranteed, he's not about weakening his team's core, either.</p> Everybody with access to a computer, a microphone or a phone is guessing which teams are bidding and which players they're offering.</p> For example, Dallas supposedly is using Josh Howard and Devin Harris (more likely Jason Terry; I can play this game, too) and a throwaway or two.</div></p> Source: NY Post</p> Nothing new really, and it's a Vecsey article, but he did mention the teams have discussed Kobe and the Bulls do want him.</p>
Are the Suns even intrested in Kobe at this point? Because I wouldn't do the Bulls/Mavs trade. If they don't include Deng or Dirk, no Kobe.</p>
I actually would do a trade from Chicago that will include both Gordon and Nocioni and Noah and fillers.But the Dallas deal is crap I would never do that trade doesn't really help us much.</p> As for a PHX trade I haven't heard much about them but they do got great players that they might offer like Amare or Marion.</p>
What about Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas and Noah? Plus a No. 1? The deal works on the trade checker. I don't want to lose Kobe but if the idiot Buss is determined to dump him, those guys would keep the Lakers competitive.</p>
Carter (to keep drawing fans), RJ, and Sean Williams, 2nd rounder for KB and filler.</p> </p> Making your lineup:</p> Derek</p> Vince</p> RJ</p> Odom</p> Kwame/Bynum</p> But what aboot Lukey? He and RJ could be togeter again </p>
Your trade is good and all but I think that if the Lakers are trading Kobe there rebuilding and looking for young guys.With your trade the Lakers will be in the same position as they are right know.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mynetsforlife)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Carter (to keep drawing fans), RJ, and Sean Williams, 2nd rounder for KB and filler.</p> </p> Making your lineup:</p> Derek</p> Vince</p> RJ</p> Odom</p> Kwame/Bynum</p> But what aboot Lukey? He and RJ could be togeter again </p> </div></p> Sean Williams I'd be intrested in but not RJ and Carter.</p> </p>
SportsNation poll on espn.com - should the lakers trade Kobe? 65% yes.</p> Stephen A. said the deal is Gordon, Nocioni, Sefalosha, and filler.</p> Dec. 15, it'd have to be.</p> </p>
Why do the Lakers want Nocioni so bad? Deng is three, four times better.</p> It would be a steal by the Bulls to get Kobe for Gordon and Nocioni. (and fillers of course, but that doesn't matter)</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Why do the Lakers want Nocioni so bad? Deng is three, four times better.</p> It would be a steal by the Bulls to get Kobe for Gordon and Nocioni. (and fillers of course, but that doesn't matter)</p> </div></p> Because the Bulls have already said they are not trading Deng, he is untouchable.</p> </p>
Lakers should say Kobe is untouchable. lol</p> If I'm the Lakers front office, I don't do the deal unless it's Gordon, Deng and fillers. If not, theres always the Knicks option. haha</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Lakers should say Kobe is untouchable. lol</p> If I'm the Lakers front office, I don't do the deal unless it's Gordon, Deng and fillers. If not, theres always the Knicks option. haha</p> </div></p> That would go down as one of the stupidest trades in NBA history if Paxson traded both Gordon and Deng for Kobe.</p> </p>
Stupidest trade in the history and you get the best player in the world (after MJ)?</p> How does that work?</p> How the hell are Deng and Gordon so valuable now? They're not even allstars, not even top 25 in this league.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Stupidest trade in the history and you get the best player in the world (after MJ)?</p> How does that work?</p> How the hell are Deng and Gordon so valuable now? They're not even allstars, not even top 25 in this league.</p> </div></p> Kobe isn't even the best player in the NBA today. Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki are all better players.</p> Just based on last years stats:</p> Your trading 40.2 PPG for 31.6 PPG. 10.2 RPG for 5.7 RPG. 6.1 APG for 5.4 APG. 2 SPG for 1.2 SPG.</p> You are trading the leaders of a 49 win team for the leader of the 42 win team...obviously Deng/Gordon have helped towards winning more so than Kobe has his teams.</p> One guy out of the three has knee problems....two do not. Average age of 23 going out, and 29 years old coming in.</p> This trade would be completely idiotic. Gordon and Deng still have a few years before they even hit their primes, and they're already leading a team to be one of the best in its conference.</p> </p> </p>
[quote name='BG7 Lavigne']</p> Kobe isn't even the best player in the NBA today. Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki are all better players.[/QUOTE]</p> Kobe is still the best player in the NBA. He is unstoppable. Lebron has a chance to get to his level this or the next season. Kobe will make shots that Lebron only dreams of making. Watch his games dude and you'll see. (kobes games)</p> [quote name='BG7 Lavigne']Just based on last years stats:</p> Your trading 40.2 PPG for 31.6 PPG. 10.2 RPG for 5.7 RPG. 6.1 APG for 5.4 APG. 2 SPG for 1.2 SPG.[/QUOTE]</p> Well yea you're trading 40 ppg because its two guys, thats simple math for you there, but thats not how you look at trades. Should I do the math at what the Celtics did when they traded for Garnett? Should I? You want me to?</p> </p> [quote name='BG7 Lavigne']You are trading the leaders of a 49 win team for the leader of the 42 win team...obviously Deng/Gordon have helped towards winning more so than Kobe has his teams.[/QUOTE]</p> What the bulls have done is all a team thing, Hinrich is a much better leader than deng or gordon. So was wallace on that team. Then you had pjbrown.</p> Yeah they've won more games because they have a better team than the Lakers had.</p> </p> [quote name='BG7 Lavigne']One guy out of the three has knee problems....two do not. Average age of 23 going out, and 29 years old coming in.[/QUOTE]</p> Age has nothing to do with this, Kobe has at least another 5 years at this level.</p> [quote name='BG7 Lavigne']This trade would be completely idiotic. Gordon and Deng still have a few years before they even hit their primes, and they're already leading a team to be one of the best in its conference.[/QUOTE]</p> You know whats idiotic? The Bulls not pulling the deal and trading deng and gordon for Kobe. Thats whats idiotic. With Kobe, you guys would become automatic contenders for the championship.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> SportsNation poll on espn.com - should the lakers trade Kobe? 65% yes.</p> Stephen A. said the deal is Gordon, Nocioni, Sefalosha, and filler.</p> Dec. 15, it'd have to be.</p> </p> </div></p> The filler better be Luol Deng.</p> This trade is terrible for the Lakers and I'm not sure what SAS is talking about. This deal can't take place until December 15th since Noc is involved and a lot can happen from now until then.</p> Does this trade even work under the cap? If Gordon signed an extension doesn't he become a BYC player?</p> </p>
I don't care how foolish I may sound to some of you but I want Gordon, Deng and fillers for Kobe.The Bulls are getting the best player in the leauge right know and were not, were trading him. Kobes is the best player he does everything you want him to do he could score when you want him to score he plays great defence too, so basically Deng and Gordon will be perfect deal for the Lakers if the Bulls don't like it then they don't want the best player right now.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Stupidest trade in the history and you get the best player in the world (after MJ)?</p> How does that work?</p> How the hell are Deng and Gordon so valuable now? They're not even allstars, not even top 25 in this league.</p> </div></p> Kobe isn't even the best player in the NBA today. Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki are all better players.</p> Just based on last years stats:</p> Your trading 40.2 PPG for 31.6 PPG. 10.2 RPG for 5.7 RPG. 6.1 APG for 5.4 APG. 2 SPG for 1.2 SPG.</p> You are trading the leaders of a 49 win team for the leader of the 42 win team...obviously Deng/Gordon have helped towards winning more so than Kobe has his teams.</p> One guy out of the three has knee problems....two do not. Average age of 23 going out, and 29 years old coming in.</p> This trade would be completely idiotic. Gordon and Deng still have a few years before they even hit their primes, and they're already leading a team to be one of the best in its conference.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> Honestly, now I think you just don't like Kobe insted of liking Gordon too much. Like CelticKing said, 49 wins with a better team AND the eastern conference. While Kobe with the injury plagued Lakers won 42 games in the west with teams like Suns, Mavs, Spurs, Rockets, and Jazz. This trade seems idiotic to you because in your eyes, Ben Gordon is a god.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Stupidest trade in the history and you get the best player in the world (after MJ)?</p> How does that work?</p> How the hell are Deng and Gordon so valuable now? They're not even allstars, not even top 25 in this league.</p> </div></p> Kobe isn't even the best player in the NBA today. Lebron James, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki are all better players.</p> Just based on last years stats:</p> Your trading 40.2 PPG for 31.6 PPG. 10.2 RPG for 5.7 RPG. 6.1 APG for 5.4 APG. 2 SPG for 1.2 SPG.</p> You are trading the leaders of a 49 win team for the leader of the 42 win team...obviously Deng/Gordon have helped towards winning more so than Kobe has his teams.</p> One guy out of the three has knee problems....two do not. Average age of 23 going out, and 29 years old coming in.</p> This trade would be completely idiotic. Gordon and Deng still have a few years before they even hit their primes, and they're already leading a team to be one of the best in its conference.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> Honestly, now I think you just don't like Kobe insted of liking Gordon too much. Like CelticKing said, 49 wins with a better team AND the eastern conference. While Kobe with the injury plagued Lakers won 42 games in the west with teams like Suns, Mavs, Spurs, Rockets, and Jazz. This trade seems idiotic to you because in your eyes, Ben Gordon is a god.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> I agree with everything so far, I'm not gonna even bothering arguing with Lavigne anymore, not worth the time and effort</p>
The Bulls don't need to bail the Lakers out by sending them their two, young, up and coming best players. They can just wait, and let the Lakers just narrowly make and miss the playoffs. Then if Kobe really wants to go to Chicago, he can sign for the MLE, and have JR find him some new endorsements.</p> Bulls are going to be one of the best teams in the NBA if they stand pat. They don't need a trade to be good, the Lakers do. You can take Gordon/Deng over the next 10 years.....or Kobe over the next 5 years (with knee problems too). Paxson views both Gordon/Deng as rising stars, and expects Gordon to be at an Iverson level as a scorer, and Deng to just be a damn good superstar (not worth trading for Gasol). Paxson's already denied trading these guys for other stars, he wouldn't trade Gordon (and a filler) straight up for Paul Pierce or Jermaine O'neal. He wouldn't trade Deng (and filler) for Pau Gasol and Kevin Garnett. No GM is going to trade a budding superstar for an aging one. They'll take their longer window to win a championship with the young guys....let alone trading two of them away.</p> Lakers are not in a position of leverage. They have two options, take a package of two good...but not great players such as (Nocionii/Hinrich, Howard/Terry, Hamilton/Prince), or sit and wait with Kobe. See if he's just bluffing. If he isn't, he'll bolt town, accepting the MLE to play with a contender. If he is, he'll resign with the Lakers, because the money was more important to him.</p> Brush up on the Garnett, Carter, and Iverson trades. You can't realistically expect Gordon/Deng, let alone one of them even.</p> In addition, Bulls are in an even greater position of leverage, as they can't make a trade until December 15th. They can sit back and watch, and let their guys go out and play, and evaluating them...while letting the Lakers go out and struggle.</p> Now just a scenario.</p> Ben Gordon is averaging 25 PPG. Luol Deng 23 PPG. Kobe is averaging 25 PPG, while missing a bunch of games. How can you justify to the Bulls fans trading one of those guys for Kobe?</p>
