I just feel bad for Bernard, he just hurt his knees, and when he was trade to the Nets, he said he will have the better chance to play,</p> but my freind and I just said he is wrong all the way, he didn't realize what kind of people that Frank is....</p> now, good bye.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZÆ</div><div class='quotemain'></p> When I first saw this thread this morning I thought it said David West, never the less a good trade.</p> </div></p> RealGM had his picture beside the article. I got excited too.</p>
I have a question, why can't we just cut Ilic and Bernard by our own, but to trade both of them?</p> </p> What's the difference between them?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I have a question, why can't we just cut Ilic and Bernard by our own, but to trade both of them?</p> </p> What's the difference between them?</p> </div></p> By trading them for a retiring player, I believe it saves us a bunch of cap space (relatively). NetIncome would know the exact answer, though. I swear we would all be lost without him!</p> </p>
Because Wesley has a partially guaranteed contract, he won't count the same amount against the cap as waiving BRob and Mile would. That difference is enough that the Nets might consider adding someone to the roster later.</p> It would be a waste of luxury tax money, to waive both of them and then add somebody to replace them</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Because Wesley has a partially guaranteed contract, he won't count the same amount against the cap as waiving BRob and Mile would. That difference is enough that the Nets might consider adding someone to the roster later.</p> It would be a waste of luxury tax money, to waive both of them and then add somebody to replace them</p> </div></p> </p> Then the Hornets just want the Cash ? so they just made the trade with us.</p>
I think that it has to do with the "cash considerations" the Nets sent along with Ilic and BRob. I think you can send cash in a trade without it counting against the salary cap, as opposed to cutting a player, in which case their salary is counted against the cap. The Hornets are pretty far under the cap, socutting or buying out playersisn't an issue for them. I suspect the Nets gave the Hornets slightly more than the combined salaries of Ilic and BRob to entice them to make this deal. The Hornets then cut them, and pocketed the difference, which may have been $50,000 or so. Wesley apparently had a very low buyout clause in his contract, which is why he made it work. Someone let me know if I have it wrong.</p>
any word from the hornets fans? there's not even a thread about it...</p> just lookin around, apparently wesley was traded for cedric simmons a month ago - wow, would've been nice if the nets could have given him a shot for ilic and robinson</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think that it has to do with the "cash considerations" the Nets sent along with Ilic and BRob. I think you can send cash in a trade without it counting against the salary cap, as opposed to cutting a player, in which case their salary is counted against the cap. The Hornets are pretty far under the cap, socutting or buying out playersisn't an issue for them. I suspect the Nets gave the Hornets slightly more than the combined salaries of Ilic and BRob to entice them to make this deal. The Hornets then cut them, and pocketed the difference, which may have been $50,000 or so. Wesley apparently had a very low buyout clause in his contract, which is why he made it work. Someone let me know if I have it wrong.</p> </div></p> </p> Ding ding ding. We have a winner. That's the most logical piece of this trade. I'm sure the Hornets will get something out of it.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cdigs)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Send him to the D-League where he might do well. Cheap trade bait if he turns out to what everyone was raving about before.</p> </div></p> That's the way I look at it. From what I've read (yeah, I haven't seen his game in person, so I could be all wrong about the guy), he's a pure point guard with great vision. I don't see why the team wouldn't invest in him, all things considered.</p> There's nothing to lose by picking up Jordan and based on his college stats, it would seem that he has the skills necessary to run the point.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Why not? He's a 6 foot white guy who had his no step vert measured at 14.5''. The next lowest was 23'' and the highest 39.5''. That's why he won't play in the NBA.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So.. Now there's room for the guy with #10...</p> </div></p> </p> I had high hopes for Drejer...but I think the Nets have no plans for him...he is a very skilled basketball player for his size but if he takes his emotional fragility in NJ fans won't be giving him exotic sounding names like "El Enigma" and "Il Depresso" just a bunch of expletives...</p>
From NO's end this was done for the money. Being that they will be in NO for the full season, they know their cash intake will not be as great as it has been the past 2 seasons in OK City. They've discounted tickets down there this upcoming season. I believe Ilic and Robinson combined will take in about 1.8 million while Wesley's guaranteed part is 250,000. NO did it for the cash as later, both Robinson and Ilic were waived.</p>
The Nets are about $500,000 under the luxury tax...which is enough to sign a rookie right now, but no one else. Second year players get $687,456. Any player beyond that will cost around $750,000. If the Nets did that, it would defeat the purpose of yesterday's deal. By getting under the luxury tax threshold, they avoid paying taxes, but more importantly, they will now be able to share in the luxury tax pool. All the luxury tax money is shared by those teams who don't have to pay the tax. Did some math last week and that payment will not be small change. Could be as high as $2.5 million per team.</p> (Only thing I find strange is that the Nets didn't immediately waive Wesley. Wesley's contract COULD be used in another deal if a one-for-one trade. For example, if the Nets wanted to trade for JR Smith, who makes $1.5 million, I believe they could trade Wesley, who makes $1.75 million, to the Nuggets. The Nuggets would be able to rid themselvesofSmith and save the difference betweenhis salary andWesley's $250K buyout. Netswould get a talent with an expiring talent if a lot of trouble. Do I think it'slikely the Nets will deal Wesley, butnot waiving him immediately made me think theyare hanging on to him just in case theyneed him as ballast.) </p> Come January 10, thingschange. That'sthe day all partial and non guaranteed contracts become fully guaranteed, any new minimum deals will be pro-rated...meaning about the Nets would only have to pay about half the minimum (half the $421K for a rookie, half the $687K for a second year player, half the $750K for anyone else) to sign players.</p> It's a nice position to be in. Even if the team is doing well and has no injuries, they will be able to sign anyone they want in the D-League (smart for Hite, Adams, Marcus Williams II to play in the D-league) or Allan Houston.</p> </p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The Nets are about $500,000 under the luxury tax...which is enough to sign a rookie right now, but no one else. Second year players get $687,456. Any player beyond that will cost around $750,000. If the Nets did that, it would defeat the purpose of yesterday's deal. By getting under the luxury tax threshold, they avoid paying taxes, but more importantly, they will now be able to share in the luxury tax pool. All the luxury tax money is shared by those teams who don't have to pay the tax. Did some math last week and that payment will not be small change. Could be as high as $2.5 million per team.</p> (Only thing I find strange is that the Nets didn't immediately waive Wesley. Wesley's contract COULD be used in another deal if a one-for-one trade. For example, if the Nets wanted to trade for JR Smith, who makes $1.5 million, I believe they could trade Wesley, who makes $1.75 million, to the Nuggets. The Nuggets would be able to rid themselvesofSmith and save the difference betweenhis salary andWesley's $250K buyout. Netswould get a talent with an expiring talent if a lot of trouble. Do I think it'slikely the Nets will deal Wesley, butnot waiving him immediately made me think theyare hanging on to him just in case theyneed him as ballast.) </p> Come January 10, thingschange. That'sthe day all partial and non guaranteed contracts become fully guaranteed, any new minimum deals will be pro-rated...meaning about the Nets would only have to pay about half the minimum (half the $421K for a rookie, half the $687K for a second year player, half the $750K for anyone else) to sign players.</p> It's a nice position to be in. Even if the team is doing well and has no injuries, they will be able to sign anyone they want in the D-League (smart for Hite, Adams, Marcus Williams II to play in the D-league) or Allan Houston.</p> </div></p> </p> Wow, thanks for all the info.</p> I'm not sure if I could really see the Nets adding anyone else thru trade or signing. I mean, there are some good rookies out there, but from hearing people talk about it, wouldn't it make sense for the Nets to want to add a veteran shooter rather than a rookie?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The Nets are about $500,000 under the luxury tax...which is enough to sign a rookie right now, but no one else. Second year players get $687,456. Any player beyond that will cost around $750,000. If the Nets did that, it would defeat the purpose of yesterday's deal. By getting under the luxury tax threshold, they avoid paying taxes, but more importantly, they will now be able to share in the luxury tax pool. All the luxury tax money is shared by those teams who don't have to pay the tax. Did some math last week and that payment will not be small change. Could be as high as $2.5 million per team.</p> (Only thing I find strange is that the Nets didn't immediately waive Wesley. Wesley's contract COULD be used in another deal if a one-for-one trade. For example, if the Nets wanted to trade for JR Smith, who makes $1.5 million, I believe they could trade Wesley, who makes $1.75 million, to the Nuggets. The Nuggets would be able to rid themselvesofSmith and save the difference betweenhis salary andWesley's $250K buyout. Netswould get a talent with an expiring talent if a lot of trouble. Do I think it'slikely the Nets will deal Wesley, butnot waiving him immediately made me think theyare hanging on to him just in case theyneed him as ballast.) </p> Come January 10, thingschange. That'sthe day all partial and non guaranteed contracts become fully guaranteed, any new minimum deals will be pro-rated...meaning about the Nets would only have to pay about half the minimum (half the $421K for a rookie, half the $687K for a second year player, half the $750K for anyone else) to sign players.</p> It's a nice position to be in. Even if the team is doing well and has no injuries, they will be able to sign anyone they want in the D-League (smart for Hite, Adams, Marcus Williams II to play in the D-league) or Allan Houston.</p> </div></p> nice info...i would wait jan 10 then so we can sign 2 players who have proven themselves in the d-league...</p>
hopefully we don't wait to long to pick up either Byars or Marcus Williams II, hopefully they can come in and understand Lawrence Frank's system.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stefan Nellemoes)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So.. Now there's room for the guy with #10...</p> </p> </div></p> </p> LOL.</p> You just forget about him and focus your attention to the #1 Danish sports star.</p> He needs the support this weekend!</p> </p>
Nets will waive David Wesley today accordiing to the NY Post.</p> That should give us 2 roster spots open and be under $500k under the cap.</p>
