<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ben Gordon disclosed Monday that he had his own private sit-down with the Bulls general manager recently. Gordon labeled as "productive" the discussion about the contract extensions he and Deng have until Wednesday to sign.</p> Asked if he thought he was the Bulls' best player, Gordon didn't hesitate. "I think I am," he said.</p> Especially when Gordon interrupted a question about whether he worries about what Deng's negotiations are commanding. "Nah, nah, nah," Gordon said. "Lu's money isn't going to benefit me, and it's not going to cause me any harm. I'm always just looking at a deal that I think I deserve and is good for me. I don't count other people's money." Still, Gordon's answer gives an idea what his camp is asking for in negotiations that aren't moving past the five years and $50 million or so the Bulls have discussed.</p> Along those lines, league sources said if no extension was reached, Gordon's camp had discussed signing the Bulls' one-year tender offer next summer and then playing out the 2008-09 season to become an unrestricted free agent. Whether that's merely a hard-line negotiating scare tactic remains to be seen.</p> "The kind of person I am, I always like to make my decisions on principle," Gordon said. "I try to think things through and make the best decision for myself. "I want to retire here. This is the first team that gave me my chance to live out my dream. But it's a business both ways. So you just hope for the best."</p> "I'm looking at what I've been doing the last few years and what I'm capable of doing the next couple of years," he said. "I'm not really looking at my age." Similarly, Gordon said his ability to be eligible for a six-year extension next summer as opposed to a five-year deal this summer isn't a big deal. "Ultimately, you want to get something done as soon as you can," Gordon said. "It just has to be right."</p> If the Bulls don't increase their offer, is Gordon definitely saying no? "I don't know," he said. "Hopefully it changes on game day. But my job is to focus on basketball. At the end of the day, I'm going to be playing the game that I love to play."</div></p> LINK</p> Just as I suspected. Gordon was always going to take the Bulls offer. I'm sure this isn't Paxson's final offer. If Paxson increases it a bit to 53-55 million its a done deal for sure.</p>
Is the "Best Player on Team" part from the article or just your opinion? Because its a pretty questionable statement and the thread title might not be the best place to put it if it isn't in the article. I'd personally rather build my team around Deng or Hinrich.</p>
Asked if he thought he was the Bulls' best player, Gordon didn't hesitate. "I think I am," he said.</p>
Where does it say he's closer to an extention? Actually the original title of the writing is "<u><font class="headline">Here's deal: Gordon pact is no given</font> </u> <font class="subhead"><u>Guard perhaps asking too much; Deng contract closer</u>" And this thread is called "<u>Gordon Closer to Extention: Best Player on Team</u>"</font></p> <font class="subhead">Dude you're killin me. </font></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Deng is the best player imo.</p> </div></p> </p> That's many posters' opinions, too...although many of the Bulls fans, who know this team, believe that Ben Gordon is the best player on the team. Maybe they know something we don't.</p> Bulls' Gordon To Try To Become An Unrestricted Free Agent?</p> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-07...2&cset=true</p> what's up with that^? pretty much the opposite of your post.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Asked if he thought he was the Bulls' best player, Gordon didn't hesitate. "I think I am," he said.</p> </div></p> He doesn't sound so sure to me. I honestly think that Hinrich or Deng is the best on this team.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Deng is the best player imo.</p> </div></p> </p> That's many posters' opinions, too...although many of the Bulls fans, who know this team, believe that Ben Gordon is the best player on the team. Maybe they know something we don't.</p> Bulls' Gordon To Try To Become An Unrestricted Free Agent?</p> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-07...2&cset=true</p> what's up with that^? pretty much the opposite of your post.</p> </div></p> If the Bulls don't increase their offer, is Gordon definitely saying no? "I don't know," he said. "Hopefully it changes on game day. But my job is to focus on basketball. At the end of the day, I'm going to be playing the game that I love to play."</p> He's actually considering the Bulls 5 year 50 million offer. And increase to Kevin Martin money (aka what the final offer should be around...since the initial offer likely isn't going to be the last offer as the deadline ticks closer), would make an extension done.</p> </p>
This Bulls team has a lot of my favorite players on it. Which is part of the problem. I think this team is pretty poorly constructed for the long term. I've said since day one that I did not believe Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon can survive on the same team. I dont think that Nocioni, Tyrus, and now Noah can survive on the same team. I dont think Deng and Gordon can survive on the same team. As much as I wish it could/would happen it just wont.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geaux Tigers)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> This Bulls team has a lot of my favorite players on it. Which is part of the problem. I think this team is pretty poorly constructed for the long term. I've said since day one that I did not believe Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon can survive on the same team. I dont think that Nocioni, Tyrus, and now Noah can survive on the same team. I dont think Deng and Gordon can survive on the same team. As much as I wish it could/would happen it just wont.</p> </div></p> What are you talking about? Trust me, they can all survive on one team. They did it all last year didn't they?</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geaux Tigers)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> This Bulls team has a lot of my favorite players on it. Which is part of the problem. I think this team is pretty poorly constructed for the long term. I've said since day one that I did not believe Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon can survive on the same team. I dont think that Nocioni, Tyrus, and now Noah can survive on the same team. I dont think Deng and Gordon can survive on the same team. As much as I wish it could/would happen it just wont.</p> </div></p> What are you talking about? Trust me, they can all survive on one team. They did it all last year didn't they?</p> </p> </div></p> Obviously they can play together...they had to. But long term I don't see them wanting to stay together. Salary, ego, and position competition are all going to be a problem. They can be successful in the short term though.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geaux Tigers)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geaux Tigers)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> This Bulls team has a lot of my favorite players on it. Which is part of the problem. I think this team is pretty poorly constructed for the long term. I've said since day one that I did not believe Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon can survive on the same team. I dont think that Nocioni, Tyrus, and now Noah can survive on the same team. I dont think Deng and Gordon can survive on the same team. As much as I wish it could/would happen it just wont.</p> </div></p> What are you talking about? Trust me, they can all survive on one team. They did it all last year didn't they?</p> </p> </div></p> Obviously they can play together...they had to. But long term I don't see them wanting to stay together. Salary, ego, and position competition are all going to be a problem. They can be successful in the short term though.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> I didn't realize any of those guys had egos...except maybe Ben and Tyrus, and that doesn't even seem like that big of a problem.</p> And I don't think that the chemistry between players is something to worry about...more like the chemistry between the players and Skiles.</p>
I posted an idea a long time ago about how the Bulls will offer more money to Luol and Gordon will get pissed because he will feel as though he deserves more. We the fans have no problem saying Luol deserves more money but Gordon has led this team in scoring for 2-3yrs now. How would you feel if you put forth the best work and the guy next to you got a raise because he has more potential. If Luol gets more money than Gordon gets offered, he's gone.</p> Honestly, would anybody here be OK with someone getting more money than you even though you did more in three years? So here's the question: Do you give more money to player who has done more, or the player who will do more (assuming)? Either way each player has a legitimant arguement for wanting more money. I wouldn't be surprised if the deals wait until next summer.</p>
[quote name='peg182']</p> [quote name='Geaux Tigers']</p> [quote name='Jumpman']</p> [quote name='Geaux Tigers']</p> This Bulls team has a lot of my favorite players on it. Which is part of the problem. I think this team is pretty poorly constructed for the long term. I've said since day one that I did not believe Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon can survive on the same team. I dont think that Nocioni, Tyrus, and now Noah can survive on the same team. I dont think Deng and Gordon can survive on the same team. As much as I wish it could/would happen it just wont.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> What are you talking about? Trust me, they can all survive on one team. They did it all last year didn't they?</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Obviously they can play together...they had to. But long term I don't see them wanting to stay together. Salary, ego, and position competition are all going to be a problem. They can be successful in the short term though.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I didn't realize any of those guys had egos...except maybe Ben and Tyrus, and that doesn't even seem like that big of a problem.</p> And I don't think that the chemistry between players is something to worry about...more like the chemistry between the players and Skiles.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> Everyone has an ego...it just depends how big it is. Some people will be driven by money, playing time, stats etc. It really is just going to depend on the players. I agree with you that Skiles might be the main reason. I just see to many players on the Bulls that do similar things at similar positions. Tweeners also.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bulls=Amazing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I posted an idea a long time ago about how the Bulls will offer more money to Luol and Gordon will get pissed because he will feel as though he deserves more. We the fans have no problem saying Luol deserves more money but Gordon has led this team in scoring for 2-3yrs now. How would you feel if you put forth the best work and the guy next to you got a raise because he has more potential. If Luol gets more money than Gordon gets offered, he's gone.</p> Honestly, would anybody here be OK with someone getting more money than you even though you did more in three years? So here's the question: Do you give more money to player who has done more, or the player who will do more (assuming)? Either way each player has a legitimant arguement for wanting more money. I wouldn't be surprised if the deals wait until next summer.</p> </div></p> You give it to the guy who has done more and it's a shame it doesn't always workout that way in sports or real life. There's a great quote regarding potential. (paraphrasing) If people keep talking about your potential it means you aren't using it. I forget who said it, but it was describing Lamar Odom's career and the constant excuse of his "potential."</p> Both are deserving of a pay raise, but I think they need to keep the bigger picture in mind like Hinrich did. He settled for less than he originally wanted because he wanted to give the Bulls the cap flexibility to keep all these guys around in hopes of building a dynasty down the line.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bulls=Amazing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I posted an idea a long time ago about how the Bulls will offer more money to Luol and Gordon will get pissed because he will feel as though he deserves more. We the fans have no problem saying Luol deserves more money but Gordon has led this team in scoring for 2-3yrs now. How would you feel if you put forth the best work and the guy next to you got a raise because he has more potential. If Luol gets more money than Gordon gets offered, he's gone.</p> Honestly, would anybody here be OK with someone getting more money than you even though you did more in three years? So here's the question: Do you give more money to player who has done more, or the player who will do more (assuming)? Either way each player has a legitimant arguement for wanting more money. I wouldn't be surprised if the deals wait until next summer.</p> </div></p> You give it to the guy who has done more and it's a shame it doesn't always workout that way in sports or real life. There's a great quote regarding potential. (paraphrasing) If people keep talking about your potential it means you aren't using it. I forget who said it, but it was describing Lamar Odom's career and the constant excuse of his "potential."</p> Both are deserving of a pay raise, but I think they need to keep the bigger picture in mind like Hinrich did. He settled for less than he originally wanted because he wanted to give the Bulls the cap flexibility to keep all these guys around in hopes of building a dynasty down the line.</p> </p> </div></p> I agree with you. If someone had asked me that question I would say the person who's done more and that's Gordon. But that's what makes this so interesting, everyone in the NBA has Deng at a higher value than Gordon. Gordon led the team in scoring, won the 6thth Man Award, and tied an NBA 3-pt record and his value right now is less than Deng's. Even last year Luol's market value could have gotten us Pau Gassol but Paxson stayed clear and Memphis wanted Luol over Gordon....or both.</p> So I'm just curious how this will all play out and it's complicated enough without throwing this Kobe talk around. Also, Kirk's my boy but I doubt that that's true, I hope it is, but I doubt it. Paxson probably told him to take the money and security because he's white in the NBA.</p> </p>
Deng >>> Gordon</p> </p> I would not mind seeing us ship out Gordon in a package deal if it meant getting Kobe in return. Gordon is a great guard and one of my favortie players, but his size will always be a liability, and his erratic play keeps him from being a premier lead guard.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blur)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Deng >>> Gordon</p> </p> I would not mind seeing us ship out Gordon in a package deal if it meant getting Kobe in return. Gordon is a great guard and one of my favortie players, but his size will always be a liability, and his erratic play keeps him from being a premier lead guard.</p> </div></p> Gordon was the better player last year, and the other two years than Deng. Deng is expected to be better this year, and whether that holds true is yet to be seen.</p> But just looking at what Gordon did last year, 20 PPG and 57 TS%.</p> The only other guards to do that were:</p> -Kobe Bryant -Dwyane Wade -Michael Redd -Paul Pierce -Kevin Martin</p> Thats good company.</p> Throughout their most recent contracts, they are set to make an average of: Kobe= 22 million, D Wade= 15 million, Michael Redd= 16 million, Paul Pierce= 19 million, Kevin Martin= 11 million.</p> Guys that are able to score like Gordon have been compensated largely, yet Paxson is only willing to go up to 10 million per? Thats absolutely ridiculous. Paxson should DEFINITELY be offering Kevin Martin money, of 11 million per (5 for 55). Hopefully the final offer gets up into that range, because I think Gordon will accept that.</p> </p>
Gordon is a volume scorer, he scores points, but he takes plenty of shots to do so. Although, I have defended him over the years, its becoming more event each year, that the only way he affects the game is with his points. When his shot is off we are basically playing 5 on 4. His defense although improved can still use work. Deng had an efficiency rating of 23.8 in the playoffs last yr, while Gordon's was just a little over 16 a game. Gordon might be a better socrer, but he doesn't affect the game in any other aspect.</p>
