ya know.. I am kind of tired about miami going to draft a QB.. or trade for trent green.. Its like they have given up on culpepper even before he has had a real chance to be the QB.. I am not overally high on culpeppper never have been.. but atleast give the guy a chance
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'>ya know.. I am kind of tired about miami going to draft a QB.. or trade for trent green.. Its like they have given up on culpepper even before he has had a real chance to be the QB.. I am not overally high on culpeppper never have been.. but atleast give the guy a chance</div> Having somewhat of an interest in this subject, I thought I'd weigh in. There are phins fans on another who can't wait for Daunte to get kicked to the curb and hopefully bring in Green & Quinn. I am not one of them. Most phins fans don't recall (I do and maybe Dale does) when it was obvious that Green was no longer needed by the Rams that he might come to Miami. Of course, this was during the vanilla reign, so... Nothing against Green but it just doesn't seem logical IMO to bring him in. Cleo Lemon is already on Miami's roster and knows Cameron's scheme. Daunte had a pass to miss the recent minicamp which did nothing to improve his standing among the aforementioned fans. DC has been doing hot yoga and says he is getting better. I think his competitive nature and Saban's ego got the better of both of them last year. DC's stats in short playing time last year (@ maybe 70%) were equal to that of Feidler, Feeley, & Lucas. Daunte's injury was worse initially relayed to the media. This IMO was Saban's worst lie. It took time for Willis McGahee sometime to come back from his severe knee injury and reports are Culpepper's was worse. DC tore the ACL, MCL, & PCL. Hopefully, Daunte is ready for training camp in July. So, he can prove all the haters wrong. Cameron has said that its an open competition. For now, it would not shock me if he were or were not on the phins roster come opening. Bottom line; It is far too early to tell and I get the impression that both Cameron & Mueller know this and will not rush to judgement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>I dunno Lucas was just BAAAD, Fiedler and Feely IMO were light years ahead of him! lol</div> Interesting. I'd rank em Jay, Brian Griese, Ray, then AJ.
Really? the Way AJ played through that really bad injury in his buttox really earned him points with me, but your the dolphin fan, you saw these guys a lot more than i did!
Are the Raiders serious about bringing in CPep? It seems they're looking for any excuse NOT to draft JaMarcus Russel.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Are the Raiders serious about bringing in CPep? It seems they're looking for any excuse NOT to draft JaMarcus Russel.</div> Does it suprise you? Al Davis wants to win and win now.. he doesn't want to wait or give someone a chance to develop.. Al Davis doesn't have Patience Which is why they are consistantly looking for a new Head Coach
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Are the Raiders serious about bringing in CPep? It seems they're looking for any excuse NOT to draft JaMarcus Russel.</div> Does it suprise you? Al Davis wants to win and win now.. he doesn't want to wait or give someone a chance to develop.. Al Davis doesn't have Patience Which is why they are consistantly looking for a new Head Coach</div> Mr. Davis is closing in on 80 and in declining health... I wouldn't expect a great deal of patience at this point in his football life. That being said, I would rather the RAIDERS avoid CPep because of the injury question (last I read he may not be ready by the season opener anyway) and if the fact that I don't see him as a clipboard/teaching kind of guy even if they draft a QB in the later rounds. Now that being said , CPep wouldn't upset me if he could be added to the roster at a bargain price.
I'm starting to change my opinion on Cpep. Seems like that injury may have killed his career. I think he is worth taking a chance on, and even if he returns at 80% of his former self, I can see him still being a starting QB, just not a top 5 QB like he was before. Fortunately for Oakland, almost any QB in the league would be an upgrade. If Al Davis wants to win immediately, then he should do whatever he can to trade down and stockpile picks on the first day. There are enough 2nd tier QBs and WRs to take later on, and the needs of the Raiders are many. The Lions would also do well to trade down and pick up yet another pick on the first day.
I have not heard/read anything definitive. Until then, all this ideal speculation is just that. The only reason these rumors abound is that sensationalism sells... hopefully its easier for you to read then it was for me to type. lol?
Give Culpepper a chance? How long can the Dolphins afford to keep him on the roster? Salary cap and roster spots may limit the time that the Dolphins can give Culpepper. The Dolphins need to start moving forward and may have to consider Culpepper the waste of the Saban Era. I'm not advocating dumping him today, but if he going to cost the team another big pay day or the Dolphins have to cut a young, promising QB in order to keep him, without Culpepper being game ready, then I think he needs to be cut. What about Trent Green? I am a Trent Green admirer, however his age and the concussion that he suffered last year limit my interest in seeing him come to Miami. If the Dolphins can outlast the Chiefs and get him, without giving up the 2nd round draft pick, then I wouldn't mind seeing him come down for a couple of years while Cameron grooms a young QB. What about Brady Quinn? I would love to see him drop to the Dolphins. Some people might belittle that opinion by calling it a man crush, but, from what I've seen and read, Quinn has some qualities that I like. The physical conditioning that he showed at the combine impressed me greatly. It's impossible to forecast injuries, but one of the best ways to avoid them is to be in top physical condition and Quinn is in incredible shape. Hopefully, that also means that Quinn is a hard worker when it comes to all the aspects of football. I like the fact that he went against his agent and lifted at the combine then beat the mark that Cutler set the year before. That showed me some competitiveness. I've read that he has the arm strength to make all of the throws that an NFL QB needs to make. He needs to work on his long ball accuracy, but I don't see Cameron asking him to throw deep a lot. Will he end up being a Montana or a Mirer or something in the middle? Only time will tell, but every QB ever drafted is a crap shoot. What this boils down to is that I would like to see Quinn fall to the Dolphins, then Miami sign Trent Green and see what they can get for Culpepper. I like Culpepper. I would like to see him resurrect his career, but I don't think the Dolphins can afford to wait on him.
Truth be told; I am against Quinn (the next Rick Mirer?). Maybe, I am being unfair to BQ he is after all an intelligent QB w/ not the greatest of arm strength.... kinda reminds me of Feidler. FWIW; I am crazy about Trent Green as a phin either. I'd prefer John Beck to Brady Quinn. Track record of Notre Dame QB's in the NFL vs BYU's alone gives JB the advantage. The U of Utah is calling they want my diploma back. lol? I read elsewhere that Quinn's flaws were correctable & recall they said the same about Harrington. Case in point, On those <u>rare occasions when Notre Dame actually played a top flight opponent </u>look at how the mighty Quinn struggled. Imagine what the average NFL secondary would fare against BQ. I'd even say that the phins current secondary would give him fits Lemon & Hamdan are already on the roster and familar w/ Cam's scheme. Draft Beck, Kolb (Houston), or Rowe (NV-Reno) then let Cleo Lemon be a stop gap until one of the aforementioned kids is ready be it in 2007 or 2008. Besides, it won't matter who the QB is until the OL is fixed
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>I just read that Adrian Peterson's collar bone is reinjured & apears that Cleveland will take Quinn.</div> or they could take Joe Thomas. I'm not high on either of the 2 QB prospects. I think Russell has the chance to become what Culpepper was, but he doesn't have the #s CPep carried with him going into the draft. And there's questions about his dedication. Quinn's dedication is unquestioned, but I almost think he's over doing it. Most QBs aren't stacked like he is physically, especially not as rookies. He's definitely more NFL ready than Jamarcus, but he doesn't have as high of a ceiling.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not high on either of the 2 QB prospects. I think Russell has the chance to become what Culpepper was, but he doesn't have the #s CPep carried with him going into the draft. And there's questions about his dedication. Quinn's dedication is unquestioned, but I almost think he's over doing it. Most QBs aren't stacked like he is physically, especially not as rookies. He's definitely more NFL ready than Jamarcus, but he doesn't have as high of a ceiling.</div> I completely agree w/ ya bakes & it scares me. This years QB is class is not as good as last even if Brohm would have declared. Miami's best bet this yr is to take a 2nd or 3rd tier QB and then hope they can get Brohm or Henne next yr.
I have hopes that the Dolphins won't suck bad enough to have a shot a Brohm next year. Perhaps the Dolphins would be better off picking a franchise LT. I'm just sick of the Dolphins trying to fix the QB position. I'm not asking for the next Marino, but someone who doesn't suck would be nice. Then again, considering what a game breaker Ronnie Brown has turned out not to be, perhaps we do need someone we can make plays throwing the ball. I'm beginning to wonder what sin the DWO committed for us to be sentenced to this offensive hell.
[quote name='DolfanDale']What about Brady Quinn? I would love to see him drop to the Dolphins. Some people might belittle that opinion by calling it a man crush[/quote] Its not like you need to be Sherlock or Holmes or even Inspector Clouseau to know who that crack was directed towards. [quote name='DolfanDale']from what I've seen and read, Quinn has some qualities that I like. The physical conditioning that he showed at the combine impressed me greatly.[/quote] Only missing 6 throws at the ND practice faciliity was real impressive bA says dripping w/ sarcasm. The impression I get from interviews I get is that he's an arrogant little shyte. Maybe he gets that from Weis? [quote name='DolfanDale']I'm just sick of the Dolphins trying to fix the QB position. I'm not asking for the next Marino, but someone who doesn't suck would be nice.[/quote] I was fan & supporter of Jay F. Eventually, it dawned on me that an Intelligent QB having w/ all the intangibles was not the key to success. Mind you; the offensive mindset was a steaming pile of suck & futility all rolled into one pleasant little package. How long did fans lament the fact the Miami did not have a top tier RB and then got Ricky... Be careful what you wish for? That being said, I'd still rather have a gunslinger w/o all the hype from a non-marquee program develop for a year or two and then take the reigns. John Beck, Kevin Kolb, Jeff Rowe, Jordan Palmer, etc... If the Ravens can rely on Dilfer, I have no problem Cleo Lemon being a caretaker until one of the aforementioned is ready. It unlikely Quinn goes to the phins. Mueller drafts QB's in the later rounds and usually takes Defense 1st. Well, he did w/ NOLA alot. [quote name='DolfanDale']Perhaps the Dolphins would be better off picking a franchise LT....Then again, considering what a game breaker Ronnie Brown has turned out not to be, perhaps we do need someone we can make plays throwing the ball.[/quote] Not only can Ronnie's problems be solved with a better OL but better play calling as well. I believe Miami only ran 45% of the time. At least, Ronnie improved in his 2nd season and did not suffer a sophomore slump like Cadillac Williams. Maybe under Cam's tutelage Ronnie will be the next LT? [quote name='DolfanDale']I'm beginning to wonder what sin the DWO committed for us to be sentenced to this offensive hell.[/quote] Whoa! Not only did I not get an invitation to this pity party, I wouldn't attend even if I did. I am not looking for Miami to duplicate the 99 Rams success. I could live if Miami won a Super Bowl using the same formula the Ravens did in 2000. As Mark Schlereth and friends said earlier today on ESPN radio, the draft is a crapshoot and Football people are too reliant on measureables. At least, they are not the whores of media who are impressed by what school you attended. How else do you explain T Edwards & D Stanton getting all this love. Case in point, 1 draft magazine had the kid (Stanback) from the U of Washington rated in the top 5 and he's horrible.
Actually, BA, the "man crush" comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular because I can't remember where I read it, message board or sports column. In fact, I did a search on this site for "brady man crush" and "quinn man crush" and couldn't find the remark that stuck in my head, so I didn't think that I read it here. Besides, my only point was that I do think that there are legitimate reasons for liking Brady Quinn. I know some people don't agree. I didn't mean to offend. As far as the "sin" quip goes, it was just a joke. I am frustrated that the Dolphins aren't any closer to finding a legit starting QB now than a few years ago. I also don't think that the Dolphins have a starting caliber RB, the WRs are underachieving and the OL is nothing to write home about. I would just like to see something get fixed. I didn't mean for it to be a "pity party." I'm just ready for the Dolphins to play for something more than pride again. Again, I didn't mean to offend. Sorry.
For the record, I wasn't mad and there is no need to apologize. I was perplexed at yet another Brady Quinn is the answer for the phins post. Not surprisingly, Dale, yours had the most logic behind the reason why. I am tired of the irrational rantings from by fans (regardless of team) who for whatever reason think that they alone have the simple solution/quick fix/easy answer for their teams problems. Am I alone in thinking that everyone one oversimplifies the personnel aspect of running an NFL team? This IMO is the most complex, dynamic, & unpredictable aspect of a franchise. It has nothing to do w/ Occam's razor despite what some think.
