No Kobe Deal

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  1. Денг Гордон

    Денг Гордон Member

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    Paxson said on the Score, that the Bulls are not going to trade for Kobe. Just wants to go through this season with the guys he's got.</p>

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  2. #1_War_Poet_ForLife

    #1_War_Poet_ForLife The Baker of Cakes

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    Get him Thron!</p>
     
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    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    I wonder if Kobe regrets vetoing those deals now assuming all those conversations actually took place. At least the Bulls can move on now, but the extension talk will resurface all season long for them.</p>
     
  4. Денг Гордон

    Денг Гордон Member

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    The thing I took out of this was that Luol Deng is mentally weak. We've all seen Deng disappear millions of times during the crunch moments of games. Then he becomes pysched out and crazy when he heard his name in the trade talks. He started asking all those questions. Not staying calm and cool like Gordon. Is this really the guy people think is going to be a superstar? Gordon is easily the better player, and more likely to be a star than Deng.</p>
     
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    ^ lol yeah, ok.</p>
     
  6. Денг Гордон

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p>
    <p class="News">Bulls general manager John Paxson decided it was time to put the rumors to rest.</p>
    <p class="News">He announced Thursday that a Kobe Bryant trade is not going to happen and was never close to happening. The Bulls will compete with their current roster until further notice.</p>
    <p class="News">"The reality is, everybody knows we were having talks with the Lakers," Paxson said at the Berto Center. "But there's not a deal done, there's not going to be a deal done.</p>
    <p class="News">"I want to focus on trying to get our guys back on track and end all the rumors swirling around. Because there's not a deal that ever was on the verge of being done, was ever close to being done, or is going to be done right now. It's not there. So that's that."</p>
    <p class="News">This process began last spring when Bryant told several media outlets he wanted to be traded. The rumors heated up recently when Lakers owner Jerry Buss suggested he would listen to offers for the high-scoring star.</p>
    <p class="News">With Bryant's representatives pushing to get him to Chicago, a number of possibilities were discussed. But the Lakers wanted too much in return.</p>
    <p class="News">"It's not about not being interested. It's about there's not a deal to be done," Paxson said. "We talked a lot about parameters. We never got down to the nuts and bolts of it because there was never a deal to be done. That's the reality of it."</p>
    <p class="News">Paxson shot down recent talk that the sticking point was the Bulls' refusal to include Luol Deng in any deal.</p>
    <p class="News">"I've never thought we were at a point where you say anybody's off limits," he said. "A lot of things that were mentioned were not based on any fact whatsoever. That's the unfortunate thing."</p>
    <p class="News">Paxson spoke about how complicated it would be to make a deal for Bryant.</p>
    <p class="News">&bull; The Bulls would have to match Bryant's $19.5 million salary.</p>
    <p class="News">&bull; He has a no-trade clause in his contract and would have to approve any trade.</p>
    <p class="News">&bull; He's also entitled to a 15-percent trade kicker if sent to another team, which Bryant has the right to waive.</p>
    <p class="News">&bull; The Bulls were also wary of having to pay a hefty luxury tax bill if their payroll soared beyond the $67-million limit.</p>
    <p class="News">"The only way I would ever consider a deal is if I could go to (Bulls chairman) Jerry Reinsdorf and say, 'We're a better basketball team from top to bottom.' and on top of that, say to him, 'This is a financially responsible move to make,'&Atilde;&fnof;&Acirc;&brvbar;" Paxson said. "I know sometimes that doesn't want to be part of a discussion. People think the owner should throw out money like its nothing. But that's not the reality in our business.</p>
    <p class="News">"In this case, if you've got to give up so much to get one player, that's something I'm not going to do."</div></p>
    <p class="News">http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=68887</p>
     
  7. Bulls=Amazing

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    I think it takes a lot of courage not to crack and just give out whatever the Lakers wanted. Especially with all the attention this has gotten and the pressure to get a deal done. Too bad this didn't happen sooner. I think if the deal was dead before the deadline someone would have gotten signed.</p>
     
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    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    The thing I took out of this was that Luol Deng is mentally weak. We've all seen Deng disappear millions of times during the crunch moments of games. Then he becomes pysched out and crazy when he heard his name in the trade talks. He started asking all those questions. Not staying calm and cool like Gordon. Is this really the guy people think is going to be a superstar? Gordon is easily the better player, and more likely to be a star than Deng.</p>

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    Dana Perino could take spinning lessons from you</p>

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  9. pegs

    pegs My future wife.

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    Finally. I think the Bulls team is good enough as is, but without Kobe, they'll just have to work a little harder at it.</p>

    I wonder where Kobe is going to now? Or, more importantly, I wonder if he's going to stay now...</p>
     
  10. Денг Гордон

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    This trade seems pretty fair.</p>
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    <div class="playername">Kwame Brown</div>
    Salary: $9,075,000 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 5.5 REB: 8.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 10.14</td>
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    <div class="playername">Kobe Bryant</div>
    Salary: $19,490,625 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 30.5 REB: 9.5 AST: 4.0 PER: 27.42


    No-Trade Clause Cannot trade this player without receiving his consent. Only a player with at least 8 years of NBA experience, including at least 4 years with the team he is signing with, is eligible to negotiate a no-trade clause into his contract.</p>
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    Outgoing Players: Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Ben Wallace</div>
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    <div class="playername">Kirk Hinrich</div>
    Salary: $11,250,000 Years Remaining: 5
    PTS: 11.0 REB: 2.5 AST: 5.5 PER: 13.29</td>
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    <div class="playername">Luol Deng</div>
    Salary: $3,320,339 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 16.0 REB: 7.5 AST: 1.5 PER: 15.39</td>
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    <div class="playername">Ben Wallace</div>
    Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 4.0 REB: 4.5 AST: 2.0 PER: 6.29</td>
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    Outgoing Players: Kwame Brown, Kobe Bryant</div>
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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;te=&cash=</p>

    In getting 2 out of 3 of the core, the Lakers have to give us back Kwame in addition to Kobe. It'd be nice to get Luke Walton to bolster our smallforward position post trade, but eh, he can't be traded yet.</p>
     
  11. Jumpman

    Jumpman And Your Nominees Are...

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    BG7, for once you've acually made a trade idea that I would acually do.</p>

    But, no way Kobe is going to accept the trade. He wants to play with Deng and Wallace.</p>
     
  12. Денг Гордон

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    Actually, I think a three-way with the Kings might work out better too (Lakers not really getting anything from Sacramento).</p>
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    <div class="playername">Kwame Brown</div>
    Salary: $9,075,000 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 5.5 REB: 8.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 10.14</td>
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    <div class="playername">Kobe Bryant</div>
    Salary: $19,490,625 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 30.5 REB: 9.5 AST: 4.0 PER: 27.42


    No-Trade Clause Cannot trade this player without receiving his consent. Only a player with at least 8 years of NBA experience, including at least 4 years with the team he is signing with, is eligible to negotiate a no-trade clause into his contract.</p>
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    <div class="playername">Ron Artest</div>
    Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2</td>
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    Outgoing Players: Chris Duhon, Thabo Sefolosha, Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Ben Wallace</div>
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    <div class="playername">Kirk Hinrich</div>
    Salary: $11,250,000 Years Remaining: 5
    PTS: 11.0 REB: 2.5 AST: 5.5 PER: 13.29</td>
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    <div class="playername">Luol Deng</div>
    Salary: $3,320,339 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 16.0 REB: 7.5 AST: 1.5 PER: 15.39</td>
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    <div class="playername">Ben Wallace</div>
    Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 4.0 REB: 4.5 AST: 2.0 PER: 6.29</td>
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    Outgoing Players: Kwame Brown, Kobe Bryant</div>
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    <div class="playername">Chris Duhon</div>
    Salary: $3,248,000 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 6.0 REB: 1.5 AST: 5.0 PER: 7.67</td>
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    Salary: $1,805,160 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.0 AST: 2.0 PER: 3.53</td>
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    Outgoing Players: Ron Artest</p>

    Kings get to go towards full blown rebuilding, get another lotto guy in Noah out of the trade, and some cap flexibility. Step 2 would be moving Bibby out.</p>

    Bulls get a championship lineup coming out of the trade thats not as diluted (thanks to getting Artest).</p>

    PG- Ben Gordon/?????
    SG-Kobe Bryant/Thabo Sefolosha
    SF-Ron Artest/Andres Nocioni
    PF-Tyrus Thomas/Joe Smith
    C- Kwame Brown/Aaron Gray</p>
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  13. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    BG7, for once you've acually made a trade idea that I would acually do.</p>

    But, no way Kobe is going to accept the trade. He wants to play with Deng and Wallace.</p>

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    3/5s of the starting lineup that won 49 games last year.</p>

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