<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'>Chicago is weaker... GB is weaker... The Vikes and Detroit got stronger... But they'll have an inexperienced QB... I could actually make the case that we actually have the best QB in the division, thats crazy... I am liking the way this is going... We may actually stand a chance this year if our defense can stay remotely healthy....</div> I think Favre is way better than Kitna unless you were making the assumption that he would be traded. Kitna is not that good and he never was that good. Put Favre on the Lions and they are 8-8 last year. Put Kitna on the Packers and they are 4-12. Simple as that. It appears Favre stated he never asked for a trade so this may of been a hoax from the beginning.</div> Favre is better than Kitna. This topic should not even be up for debate.
Kitna's QB rating last year... 79.9... Favre's 72.7.... This isn't a one year trend either... The year before he had a rating of 70.9... Look I love Favre and everything he stands for but people need to face the facts that he has hit the ceiling of his career... Things aren't going to be any better for him this year... Physically he may still be better but Kitna is going to have a better year... As strange as that is to say...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>I thought he should have hung it up a year ago so...</div> I agree. Once you consider the possibility of retirement then you probably should just retire. He's preventing Aaron Rodger's from gaining the experience he needs to be successful. Randy Moss would not have made them a SB contender. It's time to move on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'>Kitna's QB rating last year... 79.9... Favre's 72.7.... This isn't a one year trend either... The year before he had a rating of 70.9...</div> I was wondering what would happen when I put case closed? I meant body of work i.e career. With QBR numbers like those, Kitna or Favre could suit up for the phins and the A & O wouldn't miss a beat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'>Kitna's QB rating last year... 79.9... Favre's 72.7.... This isn't a one year trend either... The year before he had a rating of 70.9... Look I love Favre and everything he stands for but people need to face the facts that he has hit the ceiling of his career... Things aren't going to be any better for him this year... Physically he may still be better but Kitna is going to have a better year... As strange as that is to say...</div> Since when did the QB rating dictate whether or not a QB was better? 1 Peyton Manning 2 Damon Huard 3 Drew Brees 4 Donovan McNabb 5 Tony Romo 6 Carson Palmer 7 Marc Bulger 8 Philip Rivers By that logic all of the above are better than Tom Brady. Mike Vick had a higher passer rating than Favre as well. Is he better? It's the most flawed statistic in the game. Last year you kept making the argument to me, on the Jungle, that the Lions were as talented as the Packers and could and likely will win more games, yet the Packers with Favre won 8 games and the Lions with Kitna won 3. I'm sorry but to state that Kitna is the best QB in the division is bias. He is not. Favre is head and shoulders the better Quarterback and the best in the division unless Rex Grossman returns to his early 2006 season form. Then I?d give him the nod. Kitna has three solid receivers, the best offensive coordinator of this decade, and two quality running backs yet I'm willing to bet they put up similar numbers to each other this year. You take a quality starter and give him the weapons the Lions have and they might actually be a good football team.
Last offseason, I thought that Favre should look at his 30 interceptions and take that as a clue that it might be time to retire. However, he managed to get that number down drastically and change my mind about his ability to still play. If I were Favre, the only reason I would consider retirement now is because Ted Thompson doesn't seem to know how to aquire talent or how to keep talent around. The Packers might be able to put together a winning season this year, but I really can't see them making a legit run at the Super Bowl and isn't that what Favre wants to do? Favre may have a season or two left in the tank, but not much more, so what is Thompson waiting for? Personally, I don't think Thompson believes Favre can get them back to the SB (I don't agree), but he hasn't got the guts to ask Favre to retire, so that he can rebuild the Pack.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Murtyle)</div><div class='quotemain'>Kitna's QB rating last year... 79.9... Favre's 72.7.... This isn't a one year trend either... The year before he had a rating of 70.9... Look I love Favre and everything he stands for but people need to face the facts that he has hit the ceiling of his career... Things aren't going to be any better for him this year... Physically he may still be better but Kitna is going to have a better year... As strange as that is to say...</div> Since when did the QB rating dictate whether or not a QB was better? 1 Peyton Manning 2 Damon Huard 3 Drew Brees 4 Donovan McNabb 5 Tony Romo 6 Carson Palmer 7 Marc Bulger 8 Philip Rivers By that logic all of the above are better than Tom Brady. Mike Vick had a higher passer rating than Favre as well. Is he better? It's the most flawed statistic in the game. Last year you kept making the argument to me, on the Jungle, that the Lions were as talented as the Packers and could and likely will win more games, yet the Packers with Favre won 8 games and the Lions with Kitna won 3. I'm sorry but to state that Kitna is the best QB in the division is bias. He is not. Favre is head and shoulders the better Quarterback and the best in the division unless Rex Grossman returns to his early 2006 season form. Then I?d give him the nod. Kitna has three solid receivers, the best offensive coordinator of this decade, and two quality running backs yet I'm willing to bet they put up similar numbers to each other this year. You take a quality starter and give him the weapons the Lions have and they might actually be a good football team.</div> With statistics, the more data you have the more accurate the statistics... What your list shows is that those QBs were more efficient LAST YEAR than Favre... I think you can make that case for all except Huard... I mean they had more wins than Favre and aparently by your logic that is the best way to evaluate a QB... Peyton Manning - 94.4 Carson Palmer - 91.5 Mark Bulger 91.3 Dante Culpepper - 90.8 Chad Pennington - 89.3 Drew Brees - 88.5 Trent Green- 87.5 Tom Brady - 88.4 Donovan McNabb - 85.2 Brett Favre - 85.1 Matt Hassleback - 85.1 Those are career regular season QB ratings of QBs with more than 3 years experience... That isn't bad for regular season rankings... Is there a stat that is more accurate? I would think not since it takes every major QB stat (more data) and puts it in one... There of course are exceptions to every rule but It is far from the most flawed statistic... I remember that discussion and I still stand by it... There was no way for me to know that we would have that many injuries... If we only lose a guy here and there those are different games but 3/4 of our Dline and 3/5 of our offensive line is too much to lose and win on a regular basis... By the end of the year we had 9 starters on IR... Its no wonder we only won 3 games... Last year Favre set a career low in comp % (56% worst in NFL) and Porky I believe it was you that educated me about the WCO and historically how QBs have higher comp % in it... On top of that he still threw 18 INTs (4th worst)... I don't see how you can anticipate a better year out of Favre... He isn't the same guy that used to will GB to wins anymore... Kitna was sacked far more than any other QB in the league (like 40 more than Favre)... We had the worst running game in the league... If he gets even decent protection and any kind of running game to take some pressure off of him good luck... Mulitalo, a healthy and lighter Damion Woody, George Foster (Finally an actual RT) some good depth back and healthy on the line... The sack total should surely go down (I just hope they invest in some focus factor so Backus can remember the snap count)... Couple that with TJ Duckett in short yardage situations, a 1000 yd rusher in Tatum Bell and Kevin Jones (who is ahead of schedule and running already) the running game should be very solid... The point is Kitna had little help last year and still did all right... Now he has an abundance of help... If this team is remotely healthy this offense is going to be really good... I am looking foward to playing GBs (I actually really like your defense) and CHI's defenses.... I'll take that bet... Whats the wager? And define what "similiar" is...
Are the top 8 leaders in rating better than Tom Brady? That's what I was asking since your basis of the argument is that Kitna had a better QB rating last year than Brett Favre. By the logic your using then the above 8 whom all had better QB ratings than Tom Brady are indeed better Quarterbacks. What is your answer to that question then? That is what I was asking. Also again Mike Vick had a better QB rating than Brett Favre. Not by much but by some. Is he a better QB? The QB rating is flawed. There is no way Daunte Culpepper makes the Hall of Fame unless he resurrects his career. Favre will make the Hall of Fame and is widely regarded as one of the 10 best QB's to ever play the game. Culpepper is far from that. By the list you showed Culpepper is indeed better than Brett Favre if we are using the QB rating to decide who is indeed better. Much like the excuses I heard with Joey Harrington, I am hearing the same things with Jon Kitna. I wouldn't be shocked to see Drew Stanton finish the season this year if the Lions continue to struggle. Kitna threw more interceptions than Favre. Kitna had two 1,000 Receivers. Kitna is playing for a Super Bowl Offensive Coordinator. He's playing in a system where no matter who the QB is he is going to put up big numbers. Mike Martz took Kurt Warner and made him an MVP. Mike Martz took Marc Bugler and made him a Pro Bowl QB. Mike Martz knows Quarterbacks. They thrive in his system. Favre last year like Kitna was learning a new system. The TE and RB?s had to stay in and help protect Favre and he was often throwing to three receivers tops especially in the middle part of the year. Greg Jennings the Packers #2 WR missed a lot of time and couldn?t play a full game with an ankle injury. In other words he wasn?t the same player. Yet Favre still lead the Packers to 8 wins and his numbers were right on par with Kitna. You said Favre isn?t the same guy who willed Green Bay to wins no more. Did you watch the game against the Lions? How about he Vikings as well? He sure looked good in those games. Without Favre do you really think the Pack win those games? I am not saying Favre is one of the best in the game any more. He?s not in my top 5. However to state he is worse than Jon Kitna is a slap in his face. I?m sorry but I?m not buying that argument just like I wasn?t going to buy the arguments about Joey Harrington and Charles Rogers and the Lions breaking out the last two years. I do think Detroit has the potential to be a better team this year and I think Kitna should thrive in their offense but you give Brett Favre the kind of weapons the Lions have right now he would lead you guys to the playoffs and you?d be contending with the Bears for the division. With Jon Kitna good luck winning 7 games.
Favre asks to be traded to the 1996 Packers: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/brett...s_trade_to_1996 Heh...
