<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class="bi">Searching For Rhythm</div> <div> <span style="font-style: italic">Nov 5</span> - Before training camp began this season, Warriors executive vice president Chris Mullin made it clear that he felt the level of talent at the disposal of coach Don Nelson, especially among the reserves, had been significantly improved.</p> </p> "I think we've got a roster full of guys we like," Mullin said.</p> </p> How, then, to explain the considerable failings of the Warriors' bench through their first three games? The numbers tell a sorrowful tale: Golden State's non-starters have shot 33.8 percent from the floor and 18.5 from 3-point land. On a per-minute basis, the Warriors are getting only 70 percent as many rebounds from their backups, compared to the opposition's and 68 percent as many points. -- <font color="#000000">Contra Costa Times</font></p></div></div>
I think Monta should have to sit for 3 minutes every time he shoots a 3. Nothing kills the flow of a game like a guy shooting outside of his range, then the isses kill the flow. They're contageous.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CohanHater)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think Monta should have to sit for 3 minutes every time he shoots a 3. Nothing kills the flow of a game like a guy shooting outside of his range, then the isses kill the flow. They're contageous.</p> </div></p> Yeah, the guy should only use the 3 as a heat check once his offense is rolling. I don't understand why these guys can't slow it up and use more screens. Instead these guys all become guilty of running toward the 3 point line in transition and just jacking crap up. It's like Derek Fisher and pre-playoffs Baron ball all over again.</p> We gotta knock that streetball crap off and play more organized offense. If we can get some screeners and guys to set some really tough picks, guys are open to pull up and take a shot off the curl or they can slash to the rim. They just take all their options away when they get impatient and undisciplined. I don't know what Nelly is telling these guys. But you don't take shots unless they're good high % shots. And we're not even setting up plays to take the good 3 point shots, let alone high % midrange or deep twos. It's just guys going solo and trying to play 3 point hero while they're frustrated by their inability to get inside a zone. I mean why else would Baron jack up 1 for 9 and Ellis keep taking these shots he can't make consistently yet. It's just frustration and undisciplined on-court behavior by our guards coupled with zero presence inside the paint (Biedrins included).</p> </p> </p>
I'm kinda at a point where I'm thinking Monta isn't a very good PG nor a great SG. He's a slasher more than an outside shot, not a great trait to have at PG. In that regard, he can develop into an excellent SG.</p> We're already overloaded at SG with Buke and Marco, so we should trade him while he's still riding high from his MIP award from last season.</p>
I hate to say it because I believe that Monta has All-Star potential but maybe we should move him. He has not progressed from last year. He's turned into a gunner and he does not make anyone around him better. I read Arenas (who I have always thought was a gunner, not a true PG, someone who dominates the ball) who admitted that he's not a pure PG but how else can Jamison and Butler (and Larry Hughes before) also score 20 ppg? I never thought about it that way but yeah, Arenas must pick his spots well and let the others score too. Monta has not found that yet.</p> But he's got special talent for getting to the rim and playing on the ball D (when he wants to.) Do you give up after only 2 years? I don't think so, unless there's an offer of a rebounding bruiser.</p>
I wouldn't trade unless its for what Philsmith said. But then lies the problem, will Nelson actually use the big man in the most optimal way (e.g. get him touches, play him at the right position instead of one position higher, give minutes and another guy to protect his back).</p> That would be really cool if we could get Al Horford or an Emeka Okafor type. I wouldn't mind a small center if we could just get some power inside because Biedrins is just too weak to be of the most impact at center. We all know the guy is better suited for a power forward matchup, the only problem is he's got no perimeter game to play in between a center and a small forward. And what's with his hops lately? The guy used to be a jumping jack similar to Chris Bosh or a smaller player like Carmelo Anthony. He just doesn't play with much authority above the rim at all these past few games... I just don't understand it anymore... Nelson, Mark Grabow or whoever... What is the connection to why our players are playing with so much weakness... I feel like we need to get a traditional nba coach and get one of them trainers that also train football players. These guys are all beanpoles outside of Baron and Kelenna.</p>
I think Biedrins has been in a funk ever since he didn't get an extension done with the Warriors. He also played a lot of basketball for Lithuania in the summer and probably hasn't recovered from it. A lot of the Team USA guys last year went through this to begin the season, Wade, Melo, and Brand all admitted playing for Team USA slowed them down last season.</p> I can guarantee you it's not Mark Grabow he's an unbelievable trainer. However, he's not going to waste his time babysitting players who don't want to push themselves and follow his direction either. If the players aren't using Grabow as a resource than they need to rediscover the meaning of being a professional ball player.</p> A lot of these issues will be cleared up once SJax is back in the starting lineup. I actually think Ellis is more effective in the 6th man role, because he can dominate the opposing teams 2nd unit and be the offensive spark/playmaker off the bench. Manu Ginobili has made a career coming off the bench for the Spurs and takes complete advantage of less talented players on the court.</p> The Warriors best starting 5 are Baron-SJax-Buike-Al-Beans</p> I'll tell you why the rhythm is disruptive, it's Pietrus on the court. This guy cannot process what's in front of him and over thinks every decision. His hesistation just kills the ball movement, screws up the timing on his release, and causes other Warriors to stop running after their intial break towards the ball. When Pietrus doesn't stop to think what to do with the ball he's actually a decent player on the court whether he's shooting or dumping off a pass to the slasher.</p> The Warriors could definitely use a big body underneath the basket. Boozer really struggled against the Lakers when Turiaf was on him and Luke came around to swipe at him before he brought the ball above his hip. Boozer was shooting jumpers from behind the free throw line and was rushing shots when he got inside. However, when Turiaf got in foul trouble, Boozer went to town on the Lakers inside the paint. I'd like to see how Lasme would do against Boozer and I still think Varejao would be perfect.</p> The Cavs seem like the ideal trading partner with the Warriors since they struggle to score and the Warriors have plenty of talented offensive players.</p> There were rumors early in the summer the Hawks were shopping Shelden Williams around.</p>
That would be great. He's good for 6 points and 7 or 8 rebounds in 20 minutes, and he's the ideal body-type to come in when we're getting shoved around. I hate that feeling, watching GS play Utah -- it just feels like GS players are getting pushed around and man-handled -- they get out-rebounded by 20 and the run-n-gun looks more like a prayer than it does a strategy. It feels like every minute for GS is desperation to try to stay above water, while Utah has no stress whatsover and looks like it's just a matter of time before the gimmick wears off and then they crush GS by 20 points.</p> </p> Williams would at least be a guy who could come in and put some wood on people. It's bad enough Utah has Boozer, Ak-47 and Okur, but then they have to go and discover Milsap -- he's just about as powerful down low as Boozer. It makes for a long night for us GS fans.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> That would be great. He's good for 6 points and 7 or 8 rebounds in 20 minutes, and he's the ideal body-type to come in when we're getting shoved around. I hate that feeling, watching GS play Utah -- it just feels like GS players are getting pushed around and man-handled -- they get out-rebounded by 20 and the run-n-gun looks more like a prayer than it does a strategy. It feels like every minute for GS is desperation to try to stay above water, while Utah has no stress whatsover and looks like it's just a matter of time before the gimmick wears off and then they crush GS by 20 points.</p> </p> Williams would at least be a guy who could come in and put some wood on people. It's bad enough Utah has Boozer, Ak-47 and Okur, but then they have to go and discover Milsap -- he's just about as powerful down low as Boozer. It makes for a long night for us GS fans.</p> </div></p> Hey Alley Oop. Where have you been? Hope everything is fine. I guess the regulars are slowly coming in from their long vacation.</p> Are you referring to Anderson Varejao? He would be a great fit here except for his flopping. I heard today that he needs to get into shape though. He's been partying too hearty in Brazil. The guy should have kept himself in shape if he wants the big bucks.</p> I saw Houston beat Utah, and after the Warriors, LA beat them and they took it to them inside. They also muscled rebounds from them. We can't beat Utah with small ball and casting 3-balls from the perimeter.</p> I'm going to start working nights next week, so am trying to get used to staying up at night and sleeping in the daytime. It's hard though because of the noise and light and you still have to take care of business in the day.</p> </p>
would Monta for Milsapp work for you? Statistically with Milsapp as a starter he projects well but would they do it?</p>
Funny you said that about Ellis for Milsap, Downundwrwonder, because I found myself musing over the same thing asbai read this thread. Could Milsap be effective is large minutes though? And would Nelson ever use him the right way? I'd worry about that. It really seems like Monta needs to be the one to go for us to address the biggest need. But Nelson makes traditional planning difficult.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> That would be great. He's good for 6 points and 7 or 8 rebounds in 20 minutes, and he's the ideal body-type to come in when we're getting shoved around. I hate that feeling, watching GS play Utah -- it just feels like GS players are getting pushed around and man-handled -- they get out-rebounded by 20 and the run-n-gun looks more like a prayer than it does a strategy. It feels like every minute for GS is desperation to try to stay above water, while Utah has no stress whatsover and looks like it's just a matter of time before the gimmick wears off and then they crush GS by 20 points.</p> </p> Williams would at least be a guy who could come in and put some wood on people. It's bad enough Utah has Boozer, Ak-47 and Okur, but then they have to go and discover Milsap -- he's just about as powerful down low as Boozer. It makes for a long night for us GS fans.</p> </div></p> Hey Alley Oop. Where have you been? Hope everything is fine. I guess the regulars are slowly coming in from their long vacation.</p> Are you referring to Anderson Varejao? He would be a great fit here except for his flopping. I heard today that he needs to get into shape though. He's been partying too hearty in Brazil. The guy should have kept himself in shape if he wants the big bucks.</p> I saw Houston beat Utah, and after the Warriors, LA beat them and they took it to them inside. They also muscled rebounds from them. We can't beat Utah with small ball and casting 3-balls from the perimeter.</p> I'm going to start working nights next week, so am trying to get used to staying up at night and sleeping in the daytime. It's hard though because of the noise and light and you still have to take care of business in the day.</p> </p> </div></p> Invest in an eye mask bro. You won't even know it's daytime when you sleep with a pair on. I used to always wonder why my grandma used to use one during her daytime naps, now I know why, they give you the best sleep ever.</p> That's interesting swap of Monta and Millsap. The only thing I hate about Millsap is his free throw clanking. An active player in the paint needs to shoot at least 75% from the charity stripe otherwise teams are just going to hack away at him.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> That would be great. He's good for 6 points and 7 or 8 rebounds in 20 minutes, and he's the ideal body-type to come in when we're getting shoved around. I hate that feeling, watching GS play Utah -- it just feels like GS players are getting pushed around and man-handled -- they get out-rebounded by 20 and the run-n-gun looks more like a prayer than it does a strategy. It feels like every minute for GS is desperation to try to stay above water, while Utah has no stress whatsover and looks like it's just a matter of time before the gimmick wears off and then they crush GS by 20 points.</p> </p> Williams would at least be a guy who could come in and put some wood on people. It's bad enough Utah has Boozer, Ak-47 and Okur, but then they have to go and discover Milsap -- he's just about as powerful down low as Boozer. It makes for a long night for us GS fans.</p> </div></p> Hey Alley Oop. Where have you been? Hope everything is fine. I guess the regulars are slowly coming in from their long vacation.</p> Are you referring to Anderson Varejao? He would be a great fit here except for his flopping. I heard today that he needs to get into shape though. He's been partying too hearty in Brazil. The guy should have kept himself in shape if he wants the big bucks.</p> I saw Houston beat Utah, and after the Warriors, LA beat them and they took it to them inside. They also muscled rebounds from them. We can't beat Utah with small ball and casting 3-balls from the perimeter.</p> I'm going to start working nights next week, so am trying to get used to staying up at night and sleeping in the daytime. It's hard though because of the noise and light and you still have to take care of business in the day.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Hey JV, yeah I've been around a bit but I'm very busy with work, school, and such. Now that the season has started, I've wandered back this way on occaision. Actually, I was talking about Shape's mention of Sheldon Williams. He's a solid PF body who could match up with Boozer (obviously not offensively though).</p> </p> As far as Monta - Milsap, that's a tough one. Milsap looks fantastic for Sloan right now (he's having a career night against Cleveland as I type) but would Nellie play him? That's the thing with Nellie -- I have ideas about what this team needs, but then you must remember about Nellie's funky rotation habits. Milsap might never get off the bench in Nellie-ball, who knows. (although because Nellie has watched Milsap torture the GS post players the last year, he'd probably play him a lot).</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> That would be great. He's good for 6 points and 7 or 8 rebounds in 20 minutes, and he's the ideal body-type to come in when we're getting shoved around. I hate that feeling, watching GS play Utah -- it just feels like GS players are getting pushed around and man-handled -- they get out-rebounded by 20 and the run-n-gun looks more like a prayer than it does a strategy. It feels like every minute for GS is desperation to try to stay above water, while Utah has no stress whatsover and looks like it's just a matter of time before the gimmick wears off and then they crush GS by 20 points.</p> </p> Williams would at least be a guy who could come in and put some wood on people. It's bad enough Utah has Boozer, Ak-47 and Okur, but then they have to go and discover Milsap -- he's just about as powerful down low as Boozer. It makes for a long night for us GS fans.</p> </div></p> Hey Alley Oop. Where have you been? Hope everything is fine. I guess the regulars are slowly coming in from their long vacation.</p> Are you referring to Anderson Varejao? He would be a great fit here except for his flopping. I heard today that he needs to get into shape though. He's been partying too hearty in Brazil. The guy should have kept himself in shape if he wants the big bucks.</p> I saw Houston beat Utah, and after the Warriors, LA beat them and they took it to them inside. They also muscled rebounds from them. We can't beat Utah with small ball and casting 3-balls from the perimeter.</p> I'm going to start working nights next week, so am trying to get used to staying up at night and sleeping in the daytime. It's hard though because of the noise and light and you still have to take care of business in the day.</p> </p> </div></p> Invest in an eye mask bro. You won't even know it's daytime when you sleep with a pair on. I used to always wonder why my grandma used to use one during her daytime naps, now I know why, they give you the best sleep ever.</p> That's interesting swap of Monta and Millsap. The only thing I hate about Millsap is his free throw clanking. An active player in the paint needs to shoot at least 75% from the charity stripe otherwise teams are just going to hack away at him.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Ha ha. My mom wore an eye mask when she slept at night. I will have to check into that.</p> Millsap would be better than Varejao offensively, but I wonder if he has the height. Second year guys are hard to figure, especially if they're on another team. It would have been better to develop our PF position, but we invested in AL and MP who haven't exactly taken the starter's job. I think our PF position is more critical than other teams because AB needs help on defense. I wonder if we could get David Lee now that New York has Zach Randolph. Lee can shoot FTs. In hindsight, we should've got Zach Randolph.</p> </p>
Anyone like Channing Frye? He might give us more scoring from outside and grab some boards. I'd give up Lasme and a pick for him.</p>
