Also jarkid, I dont love Collins, but i dont ignore what he brings to the table. A role player who does specific things on both ends of the floor that helps the nets win, which he has proven sucessfully in the past and present.</p> Plus, he is paid like a backup big(E.Thomas, blount) and that is what he is talent wise. If anything, blame management for not getting "his replacement"(at least till Williams comes and starts beasting )</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So why were you asking me whose Fault ?</p> I just give you answer, there are only two men that I bash today,</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> </div></p> </p> The who is at fault question was in refernce to Magloire. Not Collins fault he didnt play, but rather Frank's.</p>
His turnover andfoul to let the Hornets make the 4 points play, that's being well said.</p> His negative >>>>>>>>>>>>> positive.</p> Everyone has his good side, but his dark side is way better than his bright side.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So why were you asking me whose Fault ?</p> I just give you answer, there are only two men that I bash today,</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> </div></p> </p> The who is at fault question was in refernce to Magloire. Not Collins fault he didnt play, but rather Frank's.</p> </div></p> Only one answer:</p> FRANK</p> and</p> Collins.</p> Period, stop asking me this again.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I've had it with this bullshit. He's 7 ft tall and he can't do shit other then play ok defense. How the fuck could he allow Paul to slap that rebouund away from him? Stop playing him already, christ mother sakes.</p> </div></p> i think i was one of the original collins haters and i think that he needed to go 5 years ago when the nets choose to play him over A-train, but thats another story. He can stay but only as a specialist and even then the youngins should have the first chance at playing time. Even if that means we will drop a few games, because trading a few early games for playoff depth is worth it!</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So why were you asking me whose Fault ?</p> I just give you answer, there are only two men that I bash today,</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> FRANK FRANK FRANK</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS</p> </div></p> </p> The who is at fault question was in refernce to Magloire. Not Collins fault he didnt play, but rather Frank's.</p> </div></p> Only one answer:</p> FRANK</p> and</p> Collins.</p> Period, stop asking me this again.</p> </div></p> </p> Is there some sort of misinterpretation here? Im refering to this: "at least if magloire was in the game", and i said that it was frank's fault he didnt play.</p> </p> It's Collins fault for getting mopete the 4 point play, but it was frank's fault for keeping collins in the fourth despite stinking it up, and not playing magloire at all.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> His turnover andfoul to let the Hornets make the 4 points play, that's being well said.</p> His negative >>>>>>>>>>>>> positive.</p> Everyone has his good side, but his dark side is way better than his bright side.</p> </div></p> I get what you are talking about, but again, im not blaming Collins for the loss. For the bad play? yes. For the game? hell no.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lord-SMX)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I've had it with this bullshit. He's 7 ft tall and he can't do shit other then play ok defense. How the fuck could he allow Paul to slap that rebouund away from him? Stop playing him already, christ mother sakes.</p> </div></p> i think i was one of the original collins haters and i think that he needed to go 5 years ago when the nets choose to play him over A-train, but thats another story. He can stay but only as a specialist and even then the youngins should have the first chance at playing time. Even if that means we will drop a few games, because trading a few early games for playoff depth is worth it!</p> </p> </div></p> Hey SMX welcome to the other side! If you have any questions about S2 shoot me a PM</p> </p>
I missed the last 5 minutes because sopcast cut out, and apparently he screwwed up badly, but I thought Collins was fantastic for the rest of the game. He did a great job getting Chandler out of the way early, he shut down Armstrong, and he was pretty good on West.</p> I don't know why you guys are so worked up over this game. Yes, it was winnable, but the fact is it was winnable despite Carter not playing and subpar performances from his replacements Boki and Wright.</p> Putting Allen back in the game was Frank's biggest mistake, IMO.</p>
Long time reader, first time poster on this site. And Collins ineptitude has made me do it! This is 6 plus years of this garbage from Collins. Enough is enough! But, It's no longer on him. It's on the coaches for having him out there. We all now he is 7-ft of basura. Bringing him back in for those last few minutes may have been the worst coaching decision I've ever seen. Do you think Paul makes that shot if Williams was in the game? No effin' way!
I thought Collins played pretty well in this game.</p> It was Williams' absence that cost the Nets, not Collins' presence.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'> I thought Collins played pretty well in this game.</p> It was Williams' absence that cost the Nets, not Collins' presence.</p></div> </p> When you say played well, you mean according to Collins' previous standards, right? A couple of offensive rebounds doesn't make up for getting stripped and fouling a 3 point shooter. That sequence sums up his horrid career. I do agree it's Franks' fault for having him out there. Frank better put this game on himself in the postgame interview. But he probably won't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Darwincook)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I thought Collins played pretty well in this game.</p> It was Williams' absence that cost the Nets, not Collins' presence.</p> </div></p> </p> When you say played well, you mean according to Collins' previous standards, right? A couple of offensive rebounds doesn't make up for getting stripped and fouling a 3 point shooter. That sequence sums up his horrid career. I do agree it's Franks' fault for having him out there. Frank better put this game on himself in the postgame interview. But he probably won't.</div></p> No, I mean he contributed some nice defense and did what he generally does.</p> In the first quarter, he had some excellent possessions on both ends.</p> And I don't agree that Collins shouldn't have been on the court in the fourth quarter, just that Sean Willams should not have been taken out.</p> </p>
Collins played a lot better in this game than Boki Nachbar.</p> How come nobody starts threads about his crappy play?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Collins played a lot better in this game than Boki Nachbar.</p> How come nobody starts threads about his crappy play?</p> </div></p> </p> Boki picked it up in the 2nd half. And he didn't directly cost the game for us.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Collins played a lot better in this game than Boki Nachbar.</p> How come nobody starts threads about his crappy play?</p> </div></p> </p> Boki picked it up in the 2nd half. And he didn't directly cost the game for us.</p> </div></p> He sucked.</p> In fact, his defense is so bad, he's starting to become a detriment every time he plays.</p> I am disappointed that he hasn't shown any improvemnet.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Collins played a lot better in this game than Boki Nachbar.</p> How come nobody starts threads about his crappy play?</p> </div></p> </p> Boki picked it up in the 2nd half. And he didn't directly cost the game for us.</p> </div></p> He sucked.</p> In fact, his defense is so bad, he's starting to become a detriment every time he plays.</p> I am disappointed that he hasn't shown any improvemnet.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Actually, I'm pretty surprised you didn't bring up Krstic. He was just as much of a reason for the loss as Collins. Is everyone giving him a free pass because he's recovering from injury?</p>
I'm giving him a free pass because he didn't draw up a play giving him a fadeaway buzzer beater, and he had a double double tonight.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Collins played a lot better in this game than Boki Nachbar.</p> How come nobody starts threads about his crappy play?</p> </div></p> Or Malik Allen. Nachbar was 2-6 with 5 turnovers. Collins was 0-0 with 1 turnover and a steal. Malik was 1-4 in 20 minutes with zeros across the board. Armstrong once again had just one assist, although one turnover which is an improvement. Collins was stripped of the ball, and for that he gets everyone's anger? If you watch it again, you'll see that Kidd was standing right next to him, and it seemed as though Collins wasn't sure whether to hand him the ball. It seemed like there was a miscommunication.</p> One thing that no one realises, or notices, is that Collins is the quarterback on defense--he shouts out instructions to everyone, especially when he switches on defense. Watch, you can see him twist his head and his mouth moving ALL THE TIME. There's a reason why the Nets play pretty good defense when he's in the game. Also, there's a reason why the Nets are an above-average rebounding team when he's in the game, despite Collins individually being a below-average rebounder.</p> You could have all the talented players in the world and the team could suck because they don't know how to play together. Look at, for instance, Charlotte and Atlanta for the last few years. Collins helps make the Nets an above-average team. Of course he's not a complete player--few players are--but with Collins, he's either great at something or terrible at something, which to me suggests that you should be able to maximize his positives and minimize his negatives if you surround him with the right players on the court. To me, that does NOT include Krstic, but may very well be Sean Williams. Williams would be a monster playing next to Collins, I believe.</p> You all unfairly heap all the blame on Collins when the team isn't playing well or doesn't win. You are all pathetic.</p>
