No Dumpy should deffinitely continue. I think whether you have good or bad feelings toward collins its important to see that his actions in this game shouldn't be made to make broad statements that make you blind to his positives.</p> Do I want Collins out of here? Yeah, but I'd rather keep him for a 6th of what he makes now.</p> Do I think Collins brings good things to this team? Yes, thats why I would eventually want to see a Krstic Williams line up, but submitted this idea a couple of days ago with the stipulation that Sean was not ready to start without Collins.</p> Do I think Collins sucked against the Hornets? Yes. There were a couple of factors that lead to us losing, directly. This was one of the big ones.</p> Do I still think that Collins brings good things to this team? Yes.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Dumpy, please stop.</p> </div></p> Stop what? Giving stats to the argument?</p> </p> </div></p> Stop contradicting Jizzy. That's Jizzy's job! (couldn't find the angel smiley)</p> </p>
[quote name='jarkid'] [quote name='Jizzy']</p> [quote name='Jizzy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> Collins played a lot better in this game than Boki Nachbar.</p> How come nobody starts threads about his crappy play?</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Boki didn't help but he did hit two shots in the third and did make a nice pass to Swat. Collins made a game costing error by not keeping the ball in the air after a rare rebound and got it stripped which led to a momentum shift and a 4 pt. play. All I was thinking about wa show Magloire would have nailed Paul in the the head after the rebound while Stff gets it stripped.</p> </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Haha, yes. If Magloire was grabbing that rebound, and CP3 were there trying to strip that, Magloire would have made his nose bleeding.</p>[/QUOTE] </p> That made me laugh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> If you are so irate over one short sequence of plays, then why not be angry at Nachbar, Malik Allen, Krstic, or Magloire? Whether you like it or not, Collins is still outplaying them. You are just angry because Collins' mistakes yesterday happened during a crucial time of the game, but a mistake is a mistake. Let's forget about defense for a minute (although we all know that Collins is superior, much superior, than the other guys I just mentioned). For the season, Nachbarhas made 21 field goals and committed 15 turnovers, an awful ratio. He has missed 37 field goal attempts. He has one offensive rebound, two steals, three blocks, and has committed 18 fouls. Essentially, he has given the ball to the opposition 47 times (assuming that the Nets gain possession after each block, which isn't realistic), and scored just 58 points. He has been a net negative.</p> Malik Allen has been a little better because he has only committed four turnovers. Still, he is 9-27 from the field, has grabbed just5 offensive rebounds, has one steal and one block. Still, the fact that he hasn't even attempted a free throw means that hehas given the ball to the opposition 15 times, and scored just 18 points--still a net negative.</p> Magloireis 2-17 from the field and has committed 8 turnovers. He has 8 offensive rebounds, zero steals, and four blocks. Thus, he has given the ball to the opposition 11 times and sored just 12 points. He's a net negative as well.</p> Krstic is 24-61 from the field,has committed six tuirnovers, has 10 offesnive rebounds, no steals, and three blocks. Thus, he has goven the ball to the opposition 30 times and has scored 51 points--he's the best of the bunch.</p> Collins is 1-5 from the field, has 9 offensive rebounds, has a steal, a block, and 7 turnvoers. Thus, he is actuallyneutral when it comes to possessions.</p> </div></p> </p> </p> But Dumpy, why are you bringing up Boki, Allen and Magloire when neither of them made a game costing mistake at the end? That's all I got to say because, yes, our frontcourt is horrible but Collins adds to that.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Dumpy, please stop.</p> </div></p> Stop what? Giving stats to the argument?</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Stats? Am I supposed to be impressed by Twin shooting a whopping 20% from the field? Or his 3 rpg? Using the rest of our sorry frontcourt doesn't give Collins an excuse.</p>
So you are saying that you will forgive bad play so long as it is not in the last five minutes of the game?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So you are saying that you will forgive bad play so long as it is not in the last five minutes of the game?</p> </div></p> No.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Stats? Am I supposed to be impressed by Twin shooting a whopping 20% from the field? Or his 3 rpg? Using the rest of our sorry frontcourt doesn't give Collins an excuse.</p> </div></p> </p> Twin has missed four shots.</p> He's very good at some things and terrible at other things. There are two options when it comes to Twin: (1) Never play him (either bench, trade, or waive him), or (2) create conditions on the court that maximize his stregnths and minimize his weaknesses. Regardless of what any of us want or don't want, option (1) will never happen, so let's just not discuss it. As for option (2), I believe that Twin is best used playing with a strong rebounding post player in the front court. One of his stregnths is that he makes it easier for his teamamtes to get rebounds, so he should have a frontcourt partner that can actually rebound (note that the Collins-Cliff Robinson combo was pretty terrible the last two years). I also believe that Twin is best used with the starting unit, but if Wright continues to shoot well, and if Nachbar ever becomes untracked, I could change my view on that. So, we need to find a frontcurt partner for Twin that is both strong rebounder and someone who would probably mesh well with Jason Kidd. The answer appears to be obvious. It would NOT be Krstic. The problem with bringing Krstic in off the bench, though, is that a frontcourt of Krstic-Boki would probably be pretty bad.</p>
