<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Before I read this, who on this board contributed to Dave D having to call his Mail-In the 'Play Sean Edition'?</p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'> A veritable revolving door of ineptitude</div> haha Dumpy I knew that was you before I read your signature! Ew I hate how DD responded with the obligatory 'win now mode.'</p> </div></p> </p> My point was that it is just short-sighted to try to rely on mediocre veterans one year at a time. Maybe a young guy is worse to start out, but the idea is that he sticks around for two, three, or four years, and so down the line the team is better. Dave's response that the players I named just "happened" to get a chance, and that only someone like Coach Nelson would do something like that. Well, what about now, with the Nets desperate for guards? I am guessing that Toronto is in a "win now" mode, but they can find room for this kid Moon--not only on the roster, but to PLAY. Instead, the Nets now will call on Eddie Gill, a guy who has no future, and has a marginal understanding of the Nets' system and their players. Yippee. If only Coach Nelson can see that some of these kids can contribute, then the league is a joke. As Coach Cassidy said, "I wear bifocles and the rest of the world is nearsighted." If the Nets can't think outside the box a little bit, then they are doomed to be mediocre for a long time.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> My point was that it is just short-sighted to try to rely on mediocre veterans one year at a time. Maybe a young guy is worse to start out, but the idea is that he sticks around for two, three, or four years, and so down the line the team is better. Dave's response that the players I named just "happened" to get a chance, and that only someone like Coach Nelson would do something like that. Well, what about now, with the Nets desperate for guards? I am guessing that Toronto is in a "win now" mode, but they can find room for this kid Moon--not only on the roster, but to PLAY. Instead, the Nets now will call on Eddie Gill, a guy who has no future, and has a marginal understanding of the Nets' system and their players. Yippee. If only Coach Nelson can see that some of these kids can contribute, then the league is a joke. As Coach Cassidy said, "I wear bifocles and the rest of the world is nearsighted." If the Nets can't think outside the box a little bit, then they are doomed to be mediocre for a long time.</p> </div></p> </p> The front office and the head coach are both to blame. The front office doesn't do a good job of identifying that type of talent and the head coach doesn't like to play developing players unless he has no choice.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The front office and the head coach are both to blame. The front office doesn't do a good job of identifying that type of talent and the head coach doesn't like to play developing players unless he has no choice.</p> </div></p> </p> In my original question, I specifically stated that I thought this was one of the great failures of the Thorn tenure (this was edited out no doubt for space reasons). You may argue that his greatest failure has been the signing of mid-level free agents, but I'd argue that one is the precedent to the other. If the Nets tried to identify young, unsigned free agents--many who are strong defensively but limited offesnively--and try to slowly develop them, there wouldn't be a need to sign all the crap they have been. But then on the other hand, the Nets could just draft those players in the middle of the first round.</p> So, Cpaw, what are your thoughts on Bobby Jones, who I thought would be a good kid for the nets to pick up when the Sixers were clearly ready to dump him?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> So, Cpaw, what are your thoughts on Bobby Jones, who I thought would be a good kid for the nets to pick up when the Sixers were clearly ready to dump him?</p> </div></p> </p> About the same as they were pre-draft. I liked him as a second round pick because he could defend all of three perimeter spots and knew how to play within himself. In Denver, he has impressed the coaching staff, but his playing time will be spotty because Yak is a better man defender, JR Smith is more talented and is actually playing well and LK is a better shooter.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Before I read this, who on this board contributed to Dave D having to call his Mail-In the 'Play Sean Edition'?</p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'> A veritable revolving door of ineptitude</div> haha Dumpy I knew that was you before I read your signature! Ew I hate how DD responded with the obligatory 'win now mode.'</p> </div></p> </p> My point was that it is just short-sighted to try to rely on mediocre veterans one year at a time. Maybe a young guy is worse to start out, but the idea is that he sticks around for two, three, or four years, and so down the line the team is better. Dave's response that the players I named just "happened" to get a chance, and that only someone like Coach Nelson would do something like that. Well, what about now, with the Nets desperate for guards? I am guessing that Toronto is in a "win now" mode, but they can find room for this kid Moon--not only on the roster, but to PLAY. Instead, the Nets now will call on Eddie Gill, a guy who has no future, and has a marginal understanding of the Nets' system and their players. Yippee. If only Coach Nelson can see that some of these kids can contribute, then the league is a joke. As Coach Cassidy said, "I wear bifocles and the rest of the world is nearsighted." If the Nets can't think outside the box a little bit, then they are doomed to be mediocre for a long time.</p> </div></p> </p> I wish that were possible. It'd be a dream to have a guy who thinks like Nelson at the helms. I get pissed when I look around the league, and see all these overacheiving young players who have basically come out of nowhere. It basically feels like I'm being mocked as a Nets fan, having to deal with stupid pieces of shit like Malik Allen and Eddie Gill.</p> When Darrell went down, and when the team seemed like it was in need of scoring, what were the first names I saw thrown out there? One, Allan Houston. Might be a good option, if he could still play. Sorta against it. I'd rather go for name two: Robert Hite. A combo guard, who can shoot with the best of em on a given night. A young player, who can be developed into being a dependable shooter/distributor.</p> But what do we get? A guy who can't shoot, is a mediocre/poor defender, and who basically sucks. Call him our Malik Allen version of a point guard. It's pathetic, and I'm sick of our coach. There's so many things I'd rather see different. I wanna see a guy who will bring positive changes.</p> And for anyone who says bullshit like Frank is a class guy, blah blah blah, I don't give shit. Class doesn't bring wins. A good coach brings wins.</p>
The front office and Frank don't seem to be on the same page. Thornski brings in players, and then they stand aside and let Frank decide how to use them.</p>
[quote name='peg182'] [quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='GMJigga']</p> Before I read this, who on this board contributed to Dave D having to call his Mail-In the 'Play Sean Edition'?</p> [quote name='Dumpy'] A veritable revolving door of ineptitude [/quote] haha Dumpy I knew that was you before I read your signature! Ew I hate how DD responded with the obligatory 'win now mode.'</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> My point was that it is just short-sighted to try to rely on mediocre veterans one year at a time. Maybe a young guy is worse to start out, but the idea is that he sticks around for two, three, or four years, and so down the line the team is better. Dave's response that the players I named just "happened" to get a chance, and that only someone like Coach Nelson would do something like that. Well, what about now, with the Nets desperate for guards? I am guessing that Toronto is in a "win now" mode, but they can find room for this kid Moon--not only on the roster, but to PLAY. Instead, the Nets now will call on Eddie Gill, a guy who has no future, and has a marginal understanding of the Nets' system and their players. Yippee. If only Coach Nelson can see that some of these kids can contribute, then the league is a joke. As Coach Cassidy said, "I wear bifocles and the rest of the world is nearsighted." If the Nets can't think outside the box a little bit, then they are doomed to be mediocre for a long time.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I wish that were possible. It'd be a dream to have a guy who thinks like Nelson at the helms. I get pissed when I look around the league, and see all these overacheiving young players who have basically come out of nowhere. It basically feels like I'm being mocked as a Nets fan, having to deal with stupid pieces of shit like Malik Allen and Eddie Gill.</p> When Darrell went down, and when the team seemed like it was in need of scoring, what were the first names I saw thrown out there? One, Allan Houston. Might be a good option, if he could still play. Sorta against it. I'd rather go for name two: Robert Hite. A combo guard, who can shoot with the best of em on a given night. A young player, who can be developed into being a dependable shooter/distributor.</p> But what do we get? A guy who can't shoot, is a mediocre/poor defender, and who basically sucks. Call him our Malik Allen version of a point guard. It's pathetic, and I'm sick of our coach. There's so many things I'd rather see different. I wanna see a guy who will bring positive changes.</p> And for anyone who says bullshit like Frank is a class guy, blah blah blah, I don't give shit. Class doesn't bring wins. A good coach brings wins.</p>[/QUOTE] </p> I agree, a good coach should have a 5 pound sack of marbles.
