Marbury for Hughes

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  1. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    This was a proposed possibility by Chris Sheridan at ESPN</p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Marbury, Renaldo Balkman and Fred Jones to Cleveland for Larry Hughes, Anderson Varejao and Damon Jones</p>

    The Knicks gain some perimeter defense and add a frontcourt player who can actually play a little defense. The Cavs get a true point guard along with an energy forward, Balkman, to replace Varejao, and they get rid of their $13.65 million obligation to Hughes for the 2009-10 season, allowing them to become major players in free agency the summer before James' contract expires.</div></p>

    Do you make this trade if you're Cleveland? I think the Cavs could actually deal Eric Snow instead of Varejao since he's looking for a buyout, which the Knicks would be willing to pay.</p>

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    If i'm NY -- abso-f*ckin-lutely</p>

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    If i'm CLE -- yea... no</p>
     
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    Helll No!! Cleveland took steps back this offseason but with Step the cavs are going back to post Mark Price - Craig Elho era</p>
     
  4. Jumpman

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    I would do this trade if I were the Cavs. They finally get a true veteran point guard and a hustle player. And you get rid of an injury prone and a big contract in Hughes.</p>

    The lineup then would be:</p>

    Big Z/Gooden/James/Pavlovic/Marbury</p>

    Thats a pretty solid team.</p>

    While the Knicks finally get some defensive players. This deal works out for both teams.</p>
     
  5. ToddMacCulloch11

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    Getting Marbury can never result in much good.</p>
     
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    Yeah, just like the Suns got the better end of the Kidd-Marbury deal. Wait....</p>
     
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    Balkman and Fred Jones would be upgrades for the Cavs perimeter reserves, but neither can run the point and the Cavs would go nowhere with Marbury running the point for them.</p>

    It would also leave the Cavs without a legitimate backup big man. Not that they have one now, but at least there is the chance of Andy coming back.</p>
     
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    Cleveland-No</p>

    New York-Yes</p>

    I mean really, who wants Stephon Marbuy and Fred Jones?</p>
     
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    Cleveland - No, so you're giving two very good shooters and a great rebounder (a starter at that) for Marbury and two average guys. (balkman could get better but he's just average right now)</p>

    NY - Yes, you're trading a guy that is a cancer and is not a winner for more shooters and a great rebounder.</p>

    What Cleveland should do is try and get both Bibby and Artest from Sactown, that would make the King happy. (no me, lebron) lol</p>
     
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    It wouldn't be the best trade possible, but I think it depends on a lot of variables that we as fans cannot possibly know. Some of them even the front office of the Cavs or Knicks cannot know:</p>
    <ul>[*]What is the long-term injury status of Larry Hughes. From the recent past there is every chance he could suffer a career-ending injury resulting in him being nothing for either team. Based on medical examinations and tests that he must have participated in, what are the chances of him suffering such an injury? If the chances are high, then the obvious answer is that we need to get rid of Hughes.
    [*]What are the chances of Varejao actually rejoining the Cavs? We know of the negotiations, and we know the Cavs might not be willing to stretch to what Andy wants. If the Knicks are, then that should be where he goes, since he would never be a factor for the Cavs (if he never signs with them) but the Cavs could get guys who could produce back.
    [*]Does Damon Jones still definitely want out? If so, then it's worth trading him away because no player who wants to leave is worth keeping.
    [*]Does LeBron want to have Marbury on his team? This will be the major factor, and Danny Ferry should have asked LeBron his opinion already. If LeBron does want to take a chance on a player like Marbury (character-wise) then it's worth making a push for him.
    [*]Can the deal be haggled to get a post player rather than either Balkman or Jones? A post player is what the Cavs will desparately need if they are sure Varejao will not return (or will return to another team).
    [*]Is there another trade on the cards involving, for example, Shannon Brown which would bring in a post player?
    [*]Is Chris Webber likely to sign with the Cavs?[/list]

    Basically, if I had the answers to all these questions, I would be in a much better position to say whether or not I would want this trade to happen. At present, I don't have the answers to any of them, but my guesses are that Hughes is likely to get injured; Varejao would be likely to return, but only later in the season; Damon Jones still wants out; LeBron would want Marbury on his team, especially as it would allow the Cavs to be major players in the free agent market the year before his own deal expired; the Cavs could not haggle the deal to include a post player of sufficient quality; that there are no plans to trade Shannon Brown at present and that Chris Webber is a major possibility for the Cavs.</p>

    So, in conclusion, I'm not sure whether I want the trade to happen (after all that). I would like Marbury, the player, not Marbury, the character. I think that the deal should ONLY happen if there are solid plans to acquire a good backup post player in the near future. But I wouldn't mind either way.</p>
     
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    LeBron has said that he wouldn't want Marbury on his team, so I would NOT want this trade to happen, nor do I think it would happen.</p>
     
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    I don't think theres a player in the NBA that wants to play with Marbury.</p>
     
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    KG wanted to reunite with Marbury last season.</p>
     
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    Marbury, Renaldo Balkman and Fred Jones to Cleveland for Larry Hughes, Eric Snow and Damon Jones</p>

    That's better. If I'm the Cavs, I'm not trading away AV. He's not as good as he thinks he is, but unless they're getting some prospect of comparable frontcourt help back, they need to hang on to him.

    But hey, discouting salary, I'd trade Hughes for Balkman and Jones. And not discounting salary, the Cavs would save a fortune and improve their positioning by unloading Hughes a year early.

    I'd do that and simply buy out Marbury if he acted like he's likely to act.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chingy0007)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    LeBron has said that he wouldn't want Marbury on his team, so I would NOT want this trade to happen, nor do I think it would happen.</p>

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    Well those comments seal the deal if you're Cleveland.</p>

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    Yeah, I mean there's no way I'd want this trade, but I would rather it consist of Snow rather than Varejao, but I can't see even the Knicks making that trade, unless they'd just buy him out. Regardless, it's basically signed and sealed that this won't happen now LeBron has given his two cents.</p>
     
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    Marbury isngt going to do anything that helps the Cavs more than what Hughes can. LeBron needs a point guard, Marbury is another shoot first PG who dominates the ball.</p>
     
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    Getting the defensive stud in Balkman and the capable vertran PG in Marbury is far outweighed by the fact you're getting Starbury on a relatively young team. Do you really want Daniel Gibson's mentor to be Starbury?</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AmericanGod!)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Getting the defensive stud in Balkman and the capable vertran PG in Marbury is far outweighed by the fact you're getting Starbury on a relatively young team. Do you really want Daniel Gibson's mentor to be Starbury?</div></p>

    No, but there's an easy solution to that. Just cut Starbury. On net you'd still be coming out ahead because you improve your salary cap position and you turn Hughes into Jones and Balkman.</p>

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