--Richard Jefferson can not carry a winning team. Sorry, absent another scorer, upfront or in the backcourt, he can't do it. Sure, he averaged 28.1 ppg in the 10 game stretch between Jason Kidd's return and Vince Carter's arrival in 2004, and sure he is averaged 25 ppg now, but in both those cases, the team sucked.</p> --Nenad Krstic won't be ready til January and not January 1. There will be good games followed by bad games, then setbacks, then a good game. Somewhere in the middle there will be some revelation about his condition.</p> --Jason Collins days as a starter are numbered. His days as a significant member of the team are numbered. His skill set is much less valuable in a league going smaller. </p> --Jamaal Magloire needs an extended stretch to see what, if anything, he can do. If not, he joins the pantheon of Thornski free agent busts thatincludes Chris Childs, Rodney Rogers, Jeff McInnis, Ron Mercer, etc., etc. Thorn and Stefanski are great at trades, big and small. They are mostly very good at the draft. At free agency, they are D-League level.</p> --Boki Nachbar started slowly last year. This represents my only hope in this category. He has lost confidence and he wasn't even hitting his long shots in preseason.</p> --Sean Williams may very well lead the league in blocks. He leads in blocks per minute already and is in 5th place overall, first among rookies. However, everyone should remember he started playing basketball when he was 16 years old and has played only one year of high school ball, three (suspension-shortened) years of college ball and seven games in the NBA. He is going to make a lot of mistakes...and all this adulation of him could have an effect on his personality.</p> --This team misses Marcus Williams, or at least the Marcus Williams we saw in summer league.</p> --Until Krstic looks better, they will have to keep Malik Allen. At the first sign that Krstic is fully ready, he should be dropped and a shooter (Allan Houston?) signed. The Nets are unbalanced.</p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Is this true...? The Nets just extended his contract.</p> But I really hope he is a goner this season, I know he is a hard-working coach, but he is not a winning coach.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> I know he is a hard-working coach, but he is not a winning coach.</p> </p> </div></p> He's the winningest coach in Nets history, and has made the playoffs all four years he's been here despite working for the Keystone Kops of GM tandoms.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Marcus and Sean are all we have to look forward too if this team doesn't start playing well.</p> </div></p> Most depressing post ever.</p> Thanks, Thornski!</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Marcus and Sean are all we have to look forward too if this team doesn't start playing well.</p> </div></p> Most depressing post ever.</p> Thanks, Thornski!</p> </p> </div></p> I rock the emo-ness.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> I know he is a hard-working coach, but he is not a winning coach.</p> </p> </div></p> He's the winningest coach in Nets history, and has made the playoffs all four years he's been here despite working for the Keystone Kops of GM tandoms.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> You are just expressing the surface, not the truth.</p> Yeah, but we never get pass the second round, which Heat, Cavs, Pistons could get pass easily.</p> If you were easily to get satisfied by just participating the playoffs, then I will give you a A+.</p>
Without havning seen this game--thank goodness for blackouts--there's some I agree with and some I don't.</p> --Richard Jefferson can not carry a winning team. Sorry, absent another scorer, upfront or in the backcourt, he can't do it. Sure, he averaged 28.1 ppg in the 10 game stretch between Jason Kidd's return and Vince Carter's arrival in 2004, and sure he is averaged 25 ppg now, but in both those cases, the team sucked. Agree, and I think everyone has understood this since then. I think RJ helps MAKE you a winning team, but he can't CREATE one.</p> --Nenad Krstic won't be ready til January and not January 1. There will be good games followed by bad games, then setbacks, then a good game. Somewhere in the middle there will be some revelation about his condition. Agree, and I'm not sure I want him back next year, anyway.</p> --Jason Collins days as a starter are numbered. His days as a significant member of the team are numbered. His skill set is much less valuable in a league going smaller. Disagree with your assessment, but I don't know what you mean by a "significant member." Collins can be effective when used with the right personnel, and that starts with Kidd and RJ. I thought that a Kidd-Wright-RJ-Collins unit would be effective, but now it is becoming clear that it isn't the case. Collins does some things very well, but his deficiencies are really exposed unless the nets have the right people on the floor with him, and that seems to now include Carter or someone of his ilk. I'm happy, though, with Kidd-Carter-RJ-Collins--I think that is pretty effective, depending on the fifth member . . . who should be someone who can mesh with both Kidd and someone who can score in the post and rebound. Hence, the Kidd-Carter-RJ-Sean-Collins unit. I think it would be tremendous, although obviously Sean will make a ton of mistakes at this point. If that isn't successful, I'll jump right on the "Collins is useless" wagon. Anyway, in my world, Collins would just play 15-20 minutes a night anyway, so not sure if that makes him not "significant." I do think, though, that if you use him with a unit of reserves he would be completely worthless.</p> --Jamaal Magloire needs an extended stretch to see what, if anything, he can do. If not, he joins the pantheon of Thornski free agent busts thatincludes Chris Childs, Rodney Rogers, Jeff McInnis, Ron Mercer, etc., etc. Thorn and Stefanski are great at trades, big and small. They are mostly very good at the draft. At free agency, they are D-League level. To me, it's not so much their failure at the free agent game (which is for suckers), but their inability or refusal to look for longer-term projects in young unsigned free agents. Other GMS find players like Udoka and matt barnes and Diawara, etc., but the Nets don't try, instead signing some random vet to a one-year deal, and then doing it again the next year. There's no continuity, they can't improve, and it just doesn't work. As for magloire, he is a bust. he is terrible. He's made somthing like two FGs on the season, can't hit his free throws, and plays poor defense--minus 15 in less than ten minutes yesterday, after Collins held Howard in check. </p> --Boki Nachbar started slowly last year. This represents my only hope in this category. He has lost confidence and he wasn't even hitting his long shots in preseason. Wondering whether his summer off has had any affect. Maybe his conditioning isn't as good as it was.</p> --Sean Williams may very well lead the league in blocks. He leads in blocks per minute already and is in 5th place overall, first among rookies. However, everyone should remember he started playing basketball when he was 16 years old and has played only one year of high school ball, three (suspension-shortened) years of college ball and seven games in the NBA. He is going to make a lot of mistakes...and all this adulation of him could have an effect on his personality. He's fun to watch and that's all that I care about. No one else is entertaining.</p> --This team misses Marcus Williams, or at least the Marcus Williams we saw in summer league.Well, I prefer to say that Armstrong hasn't been very good, even though he tries hard. He seems to commit a turnover on every other possession and the offense bogs down when he's in the game. For this we passed on Robert Hite? [see my comment above]</p> --Until Krstic looks better, they will have to keep Malik Allen. At the first sign that Krstic is fully ready, he should be dropped and a shooter (Allan Houston?) signed. The Nets are unbalanced. Obviously Allen is around solely as Krstic insurance. Why the Nets think they need a jump-shooting bigin the starting lineup (when Carter is healthy, at least) is beyond me.</p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.I'd rather Thorn and Stefanski aren't back next year. You can't build a team by switching the complimentary parts every year.</p> </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p>
Good post. Horrible and sad, but good and true.</p> Thank god for Sean Williams though. The possibility of him playing is the only reason I'm watching anymore. And yeah, given consistently good minutes, he is easily this league's leading shotblocker.</p> I also think it's time to start him in place of Nenad. Leave Collins there for now to guard the other team's best big and keep Sean out of early foul trouble. Then it's Kidd, Wright, RJ, Williams and Collins. That is quite the defensive lineup.</p> And then... we run. Take this new "slightly more motion offense" and shove it up Frank's ass. Run. Just f'ing run. Out run and out jump the opposing team. Combined with D, it's the main reason those other Nets teams were good. With the amount of stops this lineup should get (including the 75 blocks Williams will average per quarter), there will be plenty of chances to run. This puts Kidd, RJ and Williams (and maybe even Wright and Boki as well) in a position to do what they do best. It also gives us a way to actually, you know, score points since it appears we may never score a point in the halfcourt ever again.</p> New team slogan: Just F'ing run.</p>
I don't think its Franks fault at all. Players are to be blamed for not playing up to their level and not playing with intensity. So Carter is injured, that shouldn't stop the rest from getting out there and getting some wins and showing some pride that they play for the Nets.</p> Frank has been great for you guys, I don't think it makes sense firing him after just a couple of games.</p> A coach that deserves firing is Isiah. haha</p>
[quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> [quote name='jarkid']</p> [quote name='NetIncome']</p> </p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I know he is a hard-working coach, but he is not a winning coach.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> He's the winningest coach in Nets history, and has made the playoffs all four years he's been here despite working for the Keystone Kops of GM tandoms.</p> </p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> You are just expressing the surface, not the truth.</p> Yeah, but we never get pass the second round, which Heat, Cavs, Pistons could get pass easily.</p> If you were easily to get satisfied by just participating the playoffs, then I will give you a A+.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> No, I am expressing a fact.</p> And of the players, management and coaching staff, I give the highest grade to the coaches.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Yeah, but I give them a F grade.</p> </div></p> Then you overrate the Nets players.</p> Which I guess is OK for you, but not for the guys running the team.</p> </p>
<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">No, I doesn't overrate the Nets player. I blame the coach for his rotation, and game decision.</font></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <font style="background-color: rgb(216, 208, 200);">No, I doesn't overrate the Nets player. I blame the coach for his rotation, and game decision.</font></p> </div></p> He's played every player and given them all plenty of minutes.</p> At some point, isn't it obvious that he's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic?</p> There are no magic answers on that bench, and there never have been.</p> Some fans think the best players are the ones not in the game. That's stupid. The best players are the best players, and the Nets haven't had enough of them to take the next step.</p> So Thorn and Stefanski wasted Kidd's last good years and last year they admitted it was over.</p> Who should be fired, again?</p> </p>
Exactly ghoti, how can the coach be blamed when he isn't given good players to use on games?</p> Stefanski and the players he chose are to be blamed.</p>
No, Stefanski and Thorn give Frank so many good players to play,</p> but he doesn't know how to play them.</p> For example, if we had not got blown out in the earlygames, Sean Williams willnever see the plenty of PT.</p> Giving every players many minutes, is just happened these days, but I don't like the way he is doing now,</p> The rotation is just a mess, you can not say : Hey, He gives every players chance.</p> In fact, that's false. He plays every big men, but the Minutes is just so stupid,</p> you can give DNP for Boone for two games, and next time you give him 5 or 6 minutes to play,</p> how can he play well right away? Playing Malik Allen in plenty minutes is just another woe for the Nets.</p> He just doesn't know how to control the lineup.</p> And in the hornets game, he played Collins in the final minutes, it's just another mistake,</p> so Collins made those crucial turnover and Chris Paul could make a layup easily while Sean Williams who blocked him 3 times early is not there.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Exactly ghoti, how can the coach be blamed when he isn't given good players to use on games?</p> Stefanski and the players he chose are to be blamed.</p> </div></p> </p> Thank you for caring about the Nets (assuming), celtics fan.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> --Lawrence Frank will not be back next season.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> I know he is a hard-working coach, but he is not a winning coach.</p> </p> </div></p> He's the winningest coach in Nets history, and has made the playoffs all four years he's been here despite working for the Keystone Kops of GM tandoms.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> LOL.</p> We haven't gotten out of the second round. Same problems exist every year, no coaching growth at all.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Exactly ghoti, how can the coach be blamed when he isn't given good players to use on games?</p> Stefanski and the players he chose are to be blamed.</p> </div></p> </p> </p> You said Frank should be fired yesterday.</p>
